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Author Topic: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR  (Read 281262 times)

Offline konehead

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #195 on: October 21, 2011, 05:34:01 PM »
Hi Qwerk

No i am saying its similar in his repelling-tech is all. (the cascading DC circuit) I dont know exaclty how he does it but assume coil-shorting is involved in it too, and your links doent mention coil-shorting so they are only similar. The MEG is similar to HUBBARD coil if you want to study that.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #195 on: October 21, 2011, 05:34:01 PM »

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #196 on: October 21, 2011, 09:07:26 PM »
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT ???? Nobody saw Hubbard device in action and detail, and even if same had seen they are dead now....

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #197 on: October 21, 2011, 10:04:51 PM »
Hi Qwerk

No i am saying its similar in his repelling-tech is all. ...
Thank you Konehead, that's what I wanted to hear. Those generators don't give real power, only very high voltages; they need something else to get power. That means that my understanding is correct.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #197 on: October 21, 2011, 10:04:51 PM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #198 on: October 22, 2011, 05:09:26 AM »
hi Forest

There is lots of information on the web about the Hubbard coils with modern drawings and illustrations and all sorts of stuff.
Just google it and look around for a couple hours and study it if you want (or not)
Ismael told me that his MEG is very similar to the Hubbard coil at least in some parts and functions of it - so whatever you see on the web about the Hubbard coil is also similar to Ismaels MEG - I will guess the multiple coils part of it and the arrangement of coils are the similarities.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #199 on: October 22, 2011, 05:21:26 AM »
Hi Qwert

Part of the circuit with funciton of filling a cap to 7500VDC very quickly (12 seconds after each coil blast) using a 9V battery and two AAs as power source in Ismaels "repelling force" coil blaster might be similar to a Marx generator type of DC cascading circuit - might not be too - Another way to contribute to the fast cap-filling is multple coils shorts and sinewave peaks like I described where the oscillation-peaks created by intial short are shorted at THEIR peaks  - this will put HV into caps super fast - maybe then, a DC cascading circuit is also used too in combination with peak coil shorting circuit  (dont know but why not)

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #199 on: October 22, 2011, 05:21:26 AM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #200 on: February 05, 2012, 02:16:23 PM »
Hi Qwert

Part of the circuit with funciton of filling a cap to 7500VDC very quickly (12 seconds after each coil blast) using a 9V battery and two AAs as power source in Ismaels "repelling force" coil blaster might be similar to a Marx generator type of DC cascading circuit - might not be too - Another way to contribute to the fast cap-filling is multple coils shorts and sinewave peaks like I described where the oscillation-peaks created by intial short are shorted at THEIR peaks  - this will put HV into caps super fast - maybe then, a DC cascading circuit is also used too in combination with peak coil shorting circuit  (dont know but why not)
Hi Kone!

You find me here because your post are too much interesting to miss any of them ;) and indeed, it's Ismael car which made me interested mostly in the Free Energy! but as I saw he never run his car more than fully charged big set of cap could by themselves provide as energy (20min) at low speed, I had too much doubts to continue on its work without longer run.

Here are my calculations, could you tell me if you see any error (reference to the following vid):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jR4DvNO0jg


He uses a 11[kW] electrical engine. In an other vid where he ran his car outside, he ran it for only 20 min and at very low speed, means he used at maximum could be only 10% of the power of the motor to run it so slowly:


1/3[h] * 11[kW] ~ 3.7[kWh] of energy needed for the run, if constant speed.


If he starts with 15[F] caps full, he has already:

0.5 * 210[F] * 311²[V²] ~ 10^7[J] ~ 2,800[Wh] ~ 2,8[kWh] of already present energy in the cluster of caps.


So, remains to get from the battery, as energy for the 20 min run:

3.7[kWh] - 2.8[kWh] = 0.9[kWh] = 900[Wh] ~ 3.2 106[J]


Assuming he used a 12[V] battery in his 20 min run:

3.2 106[J] / 12[V] ~ 2.7 10^5[As] ~ 75[Ah]

And we have ordinary batteries of 100[Ah].

So, if his very caps was more or less 10 or 15[F], he didn't need any "ZPE" or any "Venturi Pumping Like Effect" from EM fields to make his demonstrations :-\


I've tried to communicate with him about this, but he never replied, so I gave-up with this stuff  :(

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Any way, I'm very interested by you just have written, and it is right in the sense of our discussions:

Yeah, you look to me having made a very pertinent statement about on which peak were should fill the caps.

Because yes: I made a conjecture too that WE WILL GET NEAR INFINITE POWER IF WE CAN USE THE FRACTAL ASPECT OF A WAVE.

I mean that more we go in the thinness of the form of a waves, more we are able to use the infinitesimal changes in the from. And indeed, what you propose goes straight in the sense.


Can't we do that with a kind of sampling device that could sample in real time the wave form and so set the 2 parts cycle in real time to fill the caps an short the coils alternatively?

Can't we use use schematics like in digital scope for sampling True RMS measurement?

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #201 on: February 05, 2012, 07:26:13 PM »
hi Khwartz
Ismaels MEG is what power the forklift motor, and he is powering the 36V rated forklift motor with around 600V from the caps, so must be very little current. He also has no plasma or arciing at the brushes too, so every speck of backemf/recoil is removed.  all this is pretty remarkable in itself.
Ismael is not open source, and he doesnt really care if people think it is fake or no good or not he does what he does very wekk,  and does shows videos for the public, but the videos are not conclusive proof of anything really they jsut show what his machines do, not HOW he does it down to the bone like everyone wants to see.  he doesnt really respond to people questioning if his things are real or fake and they want to see proof and know how it is done for further proof.
The single battery "powering" the forklift motor in his electric car is actually IN SERIES with the capacitor bank tha tis filled by the MEG.  The MEG uses the coil shorting at peaks tech that you know about now.  Also Ismale shorts the peaks of the rings that are cretaed byt the initial peak-short, so he gets "exponential power" increase.
Anyways because the battery is in series with the caps the battery he tells me is working sort of like a buffer - it is there not really as the "power supply" to the MEG, but working as a buffer...I talked to him alot about what percentage of pwoer comes from the battery, and what percentage comes from the cap bank to the forklift motor to run it...he hsa some complicated calculations about it I dont want to go into it now but anyways, becasue of this, your calculations dont really apply its a long discussion to figure it out but basically the battery is a "buffer" to keep the system from blowing up and to dampen the huge spikes by it being in series.
The car being driven demos is sort of just fun to see - it works and he cruises around....the other video demonstarting 300 consecutive starts from stops witout affecting the batteyr is dramatic, 9try doiongthat wit regular electirc car) and also the best one to "prove" anything is the one with the Filipino DOE testing it in their lab on a dynometer - so what is the power from the tires to the road, aand declaring it OVERUNITY  via it being 133% effecient...Ismael had some overheating problems with it but that is all part of R and D to fix things.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #201 on: February 05, 2012, 07:26:13 PM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #202 on: February 07, 2012, 01:14:18 AM »
hi Khwartz
Hi Kone

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Ismaels MEG is what power the forklift motor, and he is powering the 36V rated forklift motor with around 600V from the caps,
Sorry, but he show only 311V on his vid, at his cluster of caps. How he would give 600V to the motor?

 
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so must be very little current.
And very little peaks of voltage?

 
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He also has no plasma or arciing at the brushes too,
You mean brushes of the motor, ones that give the power to the rotor of the motor?

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so every speck of backemf/recoil is removed.
I don't see the link, the relationship, could you tell me more?

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  all this is pretty remarkable in itself.
I need to see clearer the concept, how does it work.

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Ismael is not open source, and he doesnt really care if people think it is fake or no good or not he does what he does very wekk,  and does shows videos for the public, but the videos are not conclusive proof of anything really they jsut show what his machines do, not HOW he does it down to the bone like everyone wants to see.  he doesnt really respond to people questioning if his things are real or fake and they want to see proof and know how it is done for further proof.
So why he makes vids and bring "peoples" to see and testimony if he would not care about to prove his system work? but while doing it, would nice he does in a way that could really show he has achieve overunity, and if my calculations are correct, he has not proved it! and all the thing could be just "how to use cap instead of batteries"! and that could explain why we don't hear about him since a while, while he was supposed to deliver his system since even last year :/

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The single battery "powering" the forklift motor in his electric car is actually IN SERIES with the capacitor bank tha tis filled by the MEG.
do the battery in parallel with the MEG, but in series with the battery?

 
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The MEG uses the coil shorting at peaks tech that you know about now.
ok :)

 
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Also Ismale shorts the peaks of the rings that are cretaed byt the initial peak-short, so he gets "exponential power" increase.
Sub-peak by sub-peak, or the whole set of peaks after shorting the coils?

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Anyways because the battery is in series with the caps the battery he tells me is working sort of like a buffer - it is there not really as the "power supply" to the MEG, but working as a buffer...
Ok, he can say what ever he want to tell us, and yes, it could have sense, like Tom Bearden and Bedini use batteries, but by calculation, if I'm right, it could be just the additive power need to run his demo, but would need these 10-15F caps! So all the problem for me is to be sure of the capacitance of these dam caps!

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I talked to him alot about what percentage of pwoer comes from the battery, and what percentage comes from the cap bank to the forklift motor to run it...he hsa some complicated calculations about it I dont want to go into it now but anyways, becasue of this, your calculations dont really apply its a long discussion to figure it out but basically the battery is a "buffer" to keep the system from blowing up and to dampen the huge spikes by it being in series.
Kone, he can tell you what he wants, and justify as he want too, and "complexities" could show hiding of reality too! :/ But unless he could make a run that is longer than a battery + cluster of such cap can power the energy for, I can't give any credit too, I'm sorry :/

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The car being driven demos is sort of just fun to see - it works and he cruises around....the other video demonstarting 300 consecutive starts from stops witout affecting the batteyr is dramatic,
As I could know: battery, it's know by car-professionnal-fixing-man/women, doesn't lose much voltage to be empty! at 12V it is already "empty" and have given near all its power!...

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9try doiongthat wit regular electirc car) and also the best one to "prove" anything is the one with the Filipino DOE testing it in their lab on a dynometer - so what is the power from the tires to the road, aand declaring it OVERUNITY  via it being 133% effecient...Ismael had some overheating problems with it but that is all part of R and D to fix things.
I'm not at all convince of their process. If the caps and battery has given higher voltage because of his system, of course, the mechanical power could only increase, like 33% more, but it never means overunity, just increase of power, that could mean only more draw from the power supply.
What would have prove overunity, would have been to let it run until the full discharge of the battery and caps and compare it the energy of work provide to the testing bunch.
It's like the said "joulesthiefs" that only ionise a gas that makes it more conductive, and so, increase the power of the load, but draw more on the power supply, while all the measurements doesn't take care of the RMS effects. I mean, at the end, if you obtain a more powerful load because of ionisation, or HV High-frenquency-peaks, it doesn't necessary mean overunity, we need to check the "quantity of energy" aspect each time. And having a car-battery at 12V has never meat it is a full battery :/
But the proof of it is very simple, so that strange it didn't make it: just to run his car more longer, like double or triple, of the whole energy storable in a 12V battery and 400V and "x" Farad caps, could ever sustain; that's very simple and very doable! but that strange thing for me, and that why I'm so suspicious, the time he ran it was the time it could run it only by the addition of the storage of the battery and the cluster of caps...(still assuming they were 15F caps).
But for that he wants to keep his secrets of how he could achieve overunity if he really achieves it, I do understand and respect :)
Cheer.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #203 on: February 07, 2012, 08:34:37 AM »
Whatever -
The DOE lab in Phillipines CONFIRMED 133% effiecincy in the forklift motor, and this is maeausing HP at the tires on the dynometer....
Ismael is the first person in world to get and governnemt labratory to confirm OVERUNITY OPERATION, and this is is an old beat up amp-hog forklift motor that is making the power at the wheels - and the MEG powers the forklift motor.
Like I said Ismael is NOT open-source, he has many investors and can only show this and that of the total picture -   and so dont expect to have answers for all your questions from him (or me) and he doesnt really care (nor do I) if people are not satisfied with his videos or data or expect alot more scientific confirmation in order for them to "beleive it". 
The tests by the DOE lab confirm overunity so find anyone else in the world who has done anything like that.
 

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #204 on: February 07, 2012, 11:43:16 PM »
Whatever -
The DOE lab in Phillipines CONFIRMED 133% effiecincy in the forklift motor, and this is maeausing HP at the tires on the dynometer....
Yes, but Kone, it's means nothing! because of course, if you deliver to the motor higher volatge, for example, of course it will have higher efficiency! Same: you give same voltage but higher frequency, you will have the same increase of efficiency! And it could be only a matter then of increasing the power by the nature of the voltage applied to the motor, like many other loads. You CAN increase the power of a load by modifying the voltage and the form of the voltage wave as per its frequency, and then, you just have more draw from the power supply, and faster emptying of the power supply, or more draw form the grid.
But Kone, hear me well please: I'm not saying Ismael have make fake, I just say that for now, I have no prove that it was not.  :-\

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Ismael is the first person in world to get and governnemt labratory to confirm OVERUNITY OPERATION, and this is is an old beat up amp-hog forklift motor that is making the power at the wheels - and the MEG powers the forklift motor.
Ok, but I know too the country where he leave, and my last daughter is Filipinas. It's not like the CNRS in France, or the MIT, I can ensure you that! there are very pride people in this country who can do many things to sustain their own people to the face of the world. And I've seen several times the vids, and sorry, I'm far to be convinced, sorry Kone.

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Like I said Ismael is NOT open-source,
As, I wrote you: I have no problem at all with that, Kone. he can keep his secrets on how it works,  but he can or not really prove the overunity, and for me, he hasn't so far, as I couldn't check the value of his caps.

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he has many investors and can only show this and that of the total picture -   and so dont expect to have answers for all your questions from him (or me)
What "all" Kone, don't dramatize please! I had only 1 and it was not to know anything of his concept, but just to know the value of his caps! do you think it's something form which he really depends in any case for his concept? he far much more in his vid than this very little detail! but if not important, and if with no significance because he has nothing to hide about THE RESULTS, not the principles, so why not answering and so free the person of any doubts?! :/

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and he doesnt really care (nor do I) if people are not satisfied with his videos or data or expect alot more scientific confirmation in order for them to "beleive it".

So why to make all these advertisements he made if he de didn't care? and why, while he were supposed to have since near 1year now, a millionaire investor in US, he didn't made progresses, and even said in a vid he can't achieve more? But ok, he could be right, he could be true, but for me, I'm not about to say it's a proved overunity when I'm not agree with that statement.
I'm far to be "a believer", in terms of sciences and technics. Could be I'm not skill at all in electronics, but in terms of energy, "genie energetic design", I have few skills and experiences, especially in heat pumps, and about process, measurements, checking, too.
As I could see you're friend with Ismael, ans well, it is probably enough too grand him for honesty. But it's ok, if you no more want to share me your experience and your understanding in free energy, it's ok with me. But my integrity makes me say the things as I see them, I'm sorry. And what I see here, it's a big DOUBT (not a fake...), enough to maintain my decision to not care of his work until more sustainable proofs for my own point of view.

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The tests by the DOE lab confirm overunity so find anyone else in the world who has done anything like that.
Ok, it's your opinion and you have perfectly the right to have it, Kone, even if yes, could be he had a interesting way to test, but sorry, I've seen nothing that prove the overunity in that experiment, by lake of duration and data on the characteristics of the caps. give me a forklift and I'll put 2 batteries in parallel and you'll will see if the motor won't be "more efficient"! and forklift are used to be move by batteries for hours and with very heavy loads in terms of kg. and I would have same result with caps added to a battery, while we already use special super-caps in automobile industry to run electrical cars.
but any way, I don't think I could say anything that could change your mind, and unless having the long run I had expected, I don't think we could reach any agreement.
Cheer, Khwartz.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #205 on: February 08, 2012, 07:13:43 AM »
not going to continue the discussion on this with you sorry.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #205 on: February 08, 2012, 07:13:43 AM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #206 on: February 08, 2012, 10:44:07 PM »
not going to continue the discussion on this with you sorry.
No problem, we all have right to have our own point of view and we can respect that  ;) Just I wish for Ismael his right any way :)

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #207 on: February 09, 2012, 02:40:50 AM »
In my opinion governments usually provide pretty enough educated scientists to do their job
I guess, PesWiki contains pretty ample amount of information about Ismael Aviso's invention and tests done by government's scientists:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Ismael_Aviso_Self-Charging_Electric_Car

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #208 on: February 09, 2012, 07:57:26 AM »
hi Khwartz
I dont think people have a right to opinions made public about other people that are completely false and imaginary.
ciaoK

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #209 on: June 21, 2012, 07:21:42 AM »
Hi. I am very interested in this technology and I will be doing some experiments in the coil shorting area.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC6aglJ6a_8
« Last Edit: June 21, 2012, 12:38:30 PM by kEhYo77 »

 

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