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Author Topic: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR  (Read 281279 times)

Offline jbignes5

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #180 on: September 11, 2011, 04:24:19 PM »

That means it is variable capacitor depending on applied voltage ! Also seems like superconductor if you know how to connect it !

 Not only the voltage but the size of the coil, the frequency of the current ans weather or not you can reduce the resistance of the wire itself. This can be accomplished just by paralleling 2 coils together and then you net an increase in the capacitance as well Per capacitance rules.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #180 on: September 11, 2011, 04:24:19 PM »

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #181 on: October 17, 2011, 08:29:30 PM »
hi  everybody i am going try to replicate ismael efect, i start with vcr head motor, this motor has 4 coil and rotor with permanent magnet in alternate poles like +-+- i use 2 coil for run the motor in pulse motor design and 2 coils as alternetor generator for short, and see if the motor goes down in rpm after load is conected, right now i am in the 1rst phase, i run the motor, next step is make an oscilator to drive a mosfet for short generator coil, i will try with diferent frecuencies, and see what happen ok i show what advances i got.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #182 on: October 18, 2011, 06:35:15 AM »
hi Johnnymx

use bi-directional mosfets to short the coils - this is two mosfets wired together at gate and source leads, then the switching occurs between the two drain leads.

Use mosfets with high amperage rating and also high voltage rating too - mosfets with high amp rating will have low resistance - if too much resistance in the switching it will snuff it all out and caps wont fill up like they should.
Expect X20 voltage into caps as compared to what magnets-only spinnng past the coils will put into caps.

Also be sure to fill up DC type caps (not AC type) that have no resistance or load attached to them when they fill up....you need to fill up "caps-only" from coil shorting,
then after they fill up, disconnect your coils being shorted into the caps, and then dump the caps to load whild coils are disconnected.

this is called two stage output circuit - if you dont do this it wont work - so resistance can kill it not only in the switching, but also if across the caps themselves.

Dont expect a speed-up happening when the caps fill up, or when the caps hit load (with coils then disconnected from caps)
that is what RomeroUK did, and Thane gets, and Mariusivic and some other guys got going with their Mullergen/RomeroUk "variants" but that is whole other thing going on, using high imnpedance coils, and high rpms and iron or ferrite cores....its not the same thing as shorting coils at peaks however Marisuvic did short his coils with reed switch direct into load, and got a speed up to happen, but dont "expect" it to happen is what I am saying -

Just as long as you can pulse a load with the caps you filled up from shorting coils at peaks, and the draw to your motor part of it doesnt go up during filling of the caps and also when caps hit load - that is successful experiment coil shoritn at peaks...Ismael does it in cluster of 5 shorts at peak and also way I understand it is he shorts the peaks of the oscillations created by initial short, so that is much more advanced....try just one short per sinewave peak for now - experiment with pulse width too ....if pulse width is too wide, it will cause your motor to go up in draw - if too narrow of pulse width, it wont completely collapse the coil and the spring-back of collapsed coil when switch opens wont be as strong as it should be, and so you wont get as much voltage quickly into your caps as they could/should be filling up like...
Also cap UF size is important to experiment with - too small of UF value and you wont have as much power as they could be when they hit the load; too big of UF value and the caps will fill up too slow and to a lower voltage level....



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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #182 on: October 18, 2011, 06:35:15 AM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #183 on: October 18, 2011, 02:49:45 PM »
Hi all! I've tried the coil shorting schematic with two mosfets by kone, it works! great! my setup was a pwm, (12v input) connected to the coil shorting mosfets, then i used a 9v-750ma transformer for the shorting voltage, and as i adjust the pwm's duty cycle to get maximum voltage, it went from 11vdc to aproximately 40vdc! output from the fwbr and caps, wow huge increase! input amps doesn't go up much, i have no other measuring equipment or scope, just used a multimeter, but oviously the voltage is real as i can light a small 220v-10w bulb with 40vdc. no wonder aviso can run his car with just a 12v battery! genious!

Sorry can't post a picture or video co'z i dont have much time to do it......but it surely works! and nice circuits by Kone... tnx... :D

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #184 on: October 18, 2011, 07:44:28 PM »
Hi Crazycut06

I assume you have the 9V transformer with its HV side attached to grid?
then your only adjsutment is the pulse width of this through a PWM tied to the mosfets?
If so, then it doesnt seem you are actually shorting at peak-period only - if you did this, you might get 100-150Vdc into the same cap during same amount of time...and no extra draw to primary at all if pulse width is not too wide...

here are a couple circuits that will sense the peak period, then decide the peak "capture" period (pulse width), and then has ability to chop up this capture period into pulses in frequency of your choosing too - pretty nifty...this circuit was originally thought up by "Bolt" using three 555 timers, then RonP made the dual4047 circuit which is a bit simpler and also will switch AC....but this had glitch of delay between first coil short and the cluster that occurs right after, (might not really matter much) and then Mike Ross did the triple 555 circuit with all the transistors that cures the delay-glitch problem.
I built RonP's cirucit and it works great but for the slight glitch ...havent personally finished and tested Mike's triple555 circuit but he did, and it works perfect he said...if you can have these trigger your mosfets then you are getting into Ismael-territory of triggering mulitple times at peaks...these circuits are for 60hz feed to them - different feed-frequencies can be adjusted for by changing the small caps on the timers...

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #184 on: October 18, 2011, 07:44:28 PM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #185 on: October 19, 2011, 12:32:16 AM »
...it went from 11vdc to aproximately 40vdc! output from the fwbr and caps, wow huge increase! ... :D
Hi, guys. Isn't this the same effect as in an ordinary automobile ignition coil? An explanation is here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.msg302309#msg302309

I also found interesting articles worth consideration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator
and another, you cannot use this link independently, only from the above given "Marx" link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/croft-Walton_generator

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #186 on: October 19, 2011, 05:20:12 AM »
hi cone and all thanks for your info i´m go to next step, i build oscilator with 555 /variable frecuency and variable duty i have not too much time but i do what i can, this is my pulse motor:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38QiFhXOwHU

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #186 on: October 19, 2011, 05:20:12 AM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #187 on: October 19, 2011, 06:39:35 AM »
Hi Qwert

No its not the same thing as ordinary car igniton coil which takes 12V and shoots it up to 15,000V bursts into sparkplugs...those will have a primary and secondary wind - the primary is thick wire, the secondary is super thin wire plus lots of turns...you dont get any "gain" in power since with that 15,000V you have like .0001 amps (just guessing tha amps)
That said, Ovi Fetch does have a special igintion-coil circuit that uses coil-shorting method in it that works on a motorcycle...so if you want to you can use coil shorting to ramp up voltage gitime into caps, and then cap discharge to plugs.
He says some car or motor cycle companies do some coil-shorting in their electronic iginiton systems but its propreitary and sort of secret in what they do he says.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #188 on: October 19, 2011, 02:38:08 PM »
I assume you have the 9V transformer with its HV side attached to grid?
then your only adjsutment is the pulse width of this through a PWM tied to the mosfets?
If so, then it doesnt seem you are actually shorting at peak-period only - if you did this, you might get 100-150Vdc into the same cap during same amount of time...and no extra draw to primary at all if pulse width is not too wide...



Yes that's correct, what if i use a pwm with a duty cycle & frequency control? would it be more adjustable and would i get the 100-150Vdc? or maybe more? and thanks for the circuit, ill surely try it... G.b.u...

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #188 on: October 19, 2011, 02:38:08 PM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #189 on: October 19, 2011, 06:47:05 PM »
Hi Crazycut

having the short trigger tight at the sinewave peak is what you need to do in order to get really good performance along with no extra draw to primary.
pulsewidht adjstu after that is needed too...frequency control of the actual chopping of the peak period is what you want...not so much the frequency-contorl of the feed-signal itself although why not have that too.

becasue you are using a transformer off the grid, you need someway to sense the peaks - if you had a rotating rotor with magnets in it, like a Mullergen or someting similar, with spinning rotor inducing power into coils its easy to do since you can rig up halleffects or whatever to be triiggered by the shaft rotation, or if small magnets in rotor, you can trigger halleffects with the rotor magnets themselves - or use a light sensor or even common motor brush-commutator...but if nothing rotating like what you have, you need somehtign to sense sinewave peaks - thats what those circuit I put up do - the first pot finds your peak period, 2nd pot decides capture-width of this peak period, 3rd pot chops up that capture-pereiod into pulses...you can do one big pulse or lots of small ones...other way is a toy strobelight circuit to sense peaks not sure about this havent tried that way...what you do is attach yoru mosfets to those sinewave peak circuits and they trigger the mosfets that do the coil-shorting.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #190 on: October 19, 2011, 08:29:26 PM »
Since my electronics knowledge fails, my considerations are based rather on my reasoning' thinking. So, tell me guys, if this is what you are seeking recently (though it's not ready solution, I consider it rather a kind of a view of the problem):

"Transformers as magnetic amplifiers
The so-called saturable reactor in which a control winding is impressed with d.c. in order to vary the inductance of an a.c. carrying winding can be considered a primitive magnetic amplifier. Except for the way in which it is used, the device resembles a transformer. Indeed, a conventional transformer can be operated in this fashion ~ the basic idea is to control core saturation so that the second winding changes its inductance, thereby controlling the a.c. in the load.
Usually, however, the term 'magnetic amplifier' is reserved for a very similar device which also exerts its control through core saturation. Known also as a magamp, this device does not rely upon the d.c. control winding to actually saturate the core, but only to govern the amplitude level (and therefore, the time) at which core saturation occurs during the cyclic excursions of the a.c. in the load winding. The onset of core saturation switches the inductance of the load winding from a relatively high to a very low value. Therefore, the duration of load current within a half-cycle is subject to control."


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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #191 on: October 20, 2011, 07:47:22 PM »
Hi Qwert

No this isnt really very close to what Ismael is doing with "coil shorting at peaks"....

look into the Thane bi-torroid transformer for some cool transformer performance, also look into Hector's TRANSVERTOR experiments and circuits - a guy named selfonlypath has 3 videos up about it -

the EXTRACTION of power from caps in the transvertor is similar to Ismaels extracion-circuit (two stage I call it) it has 2 caps that output to load (via "diode plug" circuit ) in see-saw fashion  (one cap fills while other cap hits load and vice versa - alsways with cap disconnected from "source" when a cap hits load)
filling up caps fast without reflection onto primary as additional power draw is one thing to accomplish, (shorting coils into caps at sinewave peaks does this) getting power from those caps into a load also without reflection back as additonal power-draw to primary draw is another ("two stage" output cirucit - have caps disconnected from source that already filled caps, when caps hit load)...

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #192 on: October 20, 2011, 11:16:07 PM »
Hi Qwert...
So, is it like this? Description:
"A number of capacitors are charged in parallel to a given voltage, V, and then connected in series by spark gap switches, ideally producing a voltage of V multiplied by the number, n, of capacitors (or stages). Due to various practical constraints, the output voltage is somewhat less than n×V."

Or rather like this? Description:
"A full-wave CW multiplier
The CW is a voltage multiplier that converts AC or pulsing DC electrical power from a low voltage level to a higher DC voltage level. It is made up of a voltage multiplier ladder network of capacitors and diodes to generate high voltages. Unlike transformers, this method eliminates the requirement for the heavy core and the bulk of insulation/potting required. Using only capacitors and diodes, these voltage multipliers can step up relatively low voltages to extremely high values, while at the same time being far lighter and cheaper than transformers. The biggest advantage of such circuits is that the voltage across each stage of the cascade is equal to only twice the peak input voltage in a half wave rectifier. In a full wave rectifier it is three times the input voltage. It has the advantage of requiring relatively low cost components and being easy to insulate. One can also tap the output from any stage, like a multitapped transformer".

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #193 on: October 21, 2011, 05:32:32 AM »
hi Qwert

yes those have similarities - Ismael I know uses a voltage-cascading circuit in his "repelling force" coil blaster tech that can knock a 1 kilo weight coil in air 33 feet in less than second and he can do this 16 times over and over with power supply being only small 9V battery with two AAs in sereis for 12V power supply...12 second charge time for the 7500VDC capacitor between blasts - the small batteries drops about 1.3V  from 12.7 to 11.4 after those 16 blasts...

anyways the repelling-force has a special voltage-cascading circuit in it....so he doesnt just ramp up the voltage with a transformer or invertor - there is probably much more to it too, as backemf recovery makes for lots more voltage in cap, and also single-short-at-peaks coil shorting does too (X20 expect in either)

also I know that in the discharge-event from caps filled by "ambient" as Ismael calls it, he has a battery in series to the capacitor during discharge-event of cap to load (this his MEG tech not his repeliing force tech) and this battery works like a buffer/filter to prevent very destructive EMP harmonics....so the "series-cap" paragraph you quote is also "similar" but not really the same thing...really the "heart" of his systems is the coil shoritng at peaks - first short at peak creates oscillations,
then the socillation-peaks get shorted at their peaks -
so coil-short-created HV and HF oscillations expand in voltage rather than decay...so it becomes exponenetial voltage increase you couuld say that fills caps up...
also interesting thing is the process of filling up caps REQUIRES zero voltage in caps or there are problems since caps will be "polarized" one way,  and caps wont accept "ambient" power if they have even a little bit of voltage in them -  this since the tesistance from being polarized kills the whole effect; similar to having resistance acorss caps,
or switching that has high resistance to it too will kill the effect (why must be high-amp mosfets) just learend about the zero volts needed in caps to accept ambient power last week from Ismael...

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #194 on: October 21, 2011, 07:41:05 AM »
Hi, all.
My two citations in my previous post are excerpts from two Wikipedia articles: one is "Marx Generator"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator

 and anoiher one is "Cocroft–Walton generator" (to get there is only one way, through above "Marx" link).
So you, Konehead confirm that this sounds like the Ismael Aviso's technology. Of course I understand that the Marx Generator / Cocroft–Walton generator is only one, but basic component of Aviso's generator.

 

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