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Author Topic: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR  (Read 294172 times)

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #165 on: September 08, 2011, 02:06:59 PM »
step by step? fuelless car? just two of the many many claims here.....

let me see two other FACTS...
1: youtube video uploaded on 22 May 2011
2: no one has replicated or proved "fuelless" car

your counter argument sir?

 I'm not gonna argue with you. The truth is he does tell you what he is doing and how to do it yourself! If you want to prove it to yourself then by all means do it. He gives enough information for you to be able to replicate it like you have been asking. So either replicate it or stop beating on the man verbally.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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« Reply #166 on: September 08, 2011, 02:11:29 PM »
Ismael doesnt call his electric car a fuel-less car. that is what others have hyped it up to be like Ashweth in his video of it....all Ismael says about it in "bragging-rights" is that if his MEG "as is" was put into conventiaonl electric cars to power them, it would make three times more effecient electric cars as far as range goes- that is all he claims with it.

The electric car has a "36V" forklift motor powering it, there is about 600V going into the forklift motor from his MEG. then a single 12V batery powering the MEG.
There is absolutely no backemf/recoil plasma/arcs in the brushes of the forklfit motor thats how he can pump so much voltage into it...
the car's rear where was put on dynamotor in Phillpine DOE lab there is videos of it and it was proven wihtout doubt to be 133% effecient - this in measuing the power from the wheels in HP compared to the input power in watts into the MEG.

Nobody else in world has ever been able to take ANYTHING to a DOE lab in any country anywahere and prove somethign to be operating abover 100% effecient (overunity)....and this is a piece of junk forklift motor powered by his MEG that shows that overunity. So if you dont like it thats a personal problem and I cant help you and neither can Ismael too.

 Hey Konehead did you have a chance to look at my post with the Tesla references attached? I would be very interested in your opinions about them..

 Key points are Bifilar coil patent and the description and the rather odd generator and subsequent shorting of coils in the second patent.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #167 on: September 08, 2011, 07:01:46 PM »
hi Jbigness5

OK looked at the 2nd patent of the generator - seems not too complicated, as its some permanent magnets whirling around inside 4 coils and cores and the brushes make the power induced in the coils alternating AC...and also you could adjsut pulse widht duty cycle with those burshes...
I dont see where he "shorts" the coils with switching at peaks or anything like that - but the Tesla spark-gap stuff makes oscillations exaclty like switch-shorting coils at their peaks...as when the spark does jump across, and when it connects then disconnects, it is like shorting a coil with a switch at peaks, and both ways will cause the coil to go into flurry of HV annd HF decaying-oscillations, and the first few will fill up cap much higher in votlage as compared to no sparkgap or coil chorting at peaks.
Ismael makes the oscillations created by coil shorting to expand, rather than decay, "simply" by very fast and accurate coil-shorting-at-peaks of the OSCILLATION-PEAKS....so: the first "primary"coil-short causes a train of osciallations, then 4 or so next-in-line coil shorts ("secondary" sort of ) are timed to occur at the peaks of the oscillations created.
Thats how I understand it, as told to me first-hand by Ismael. This is the heart of the MEG the heart of the repelling-force coil-blast too (how it fills up caps so fast and so high)

anyways if Tesla had two spark gaps, and  could "time" the 2nd (secondary sort of) spark-gap stuff to have oscillations that are of consistent fairly fast frequency, and laid it "on top" of the intial spark  of slower frequency, and made it so the the "secondary spark gap would "ride the peaks" of the slower-frequency  first/primary spark gap, then that would be what Ismael does. You could say synchrounous-sympathetic system mabye...

as caps fill up, the resistance changes, so the freuqeuncy and resonance/harmonics of it all changes too as caps fill then dump to load- this is problem Ismael overcame in some way.

 I have a feeling tesla deveopled some "self-regulating" caps like in his electric car that would make the resistance always consistent in the cpas while filling up and dumping to load then filling again over and over very fast....

Ismael is all over the bifilar coil thing - in his MEG he says he got lots more power by tripling the bifilars into septfilars....not sure what he does however exactly, such as series cancelling, series-adding, or split the bifilars where one half is induced-pwoer wind other is primary..I will guess he does the split-bifilars approach, and shorts the induced-power half of it, which would also be picking up the backemf spikes too; as he mentions in one of those videos that he is "shorting the backemf" but dont know for sure about that as usual... 

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« Reply #168 on: September 08, 2011, 08:20:03 PM »
hi Jbigness5

OK looked at the 2nd patent of the generator - seems not too complicated, as its some permanent magnets whirling around inside 4 coils and cores and the brushes make the power induced in the coils alternating AC...and also you could adjsut pulse widht duty cycle with those burshes...
I dont see where he "shorts" the coils with switching at peaks or anything like that - but the Tesla spark-gap stuff makes oscillations exaclty like switch-shorting coils at their peaks...as when the spark does jump across, and when it connects then disconnects, it is like shorting a coil with a switch at peaks, and both ways will cause the coil to go into flurry of HV annd HF decaying-oscillations, and the first few will fill up cap much higher in votlage as compared to no sparkgap or coil chorting at peaks.
Ismael makes the oscillations created by coil shorting to expand, rather than decay, "simply" by very fast and accurate coil-shorting-at-peaks of the OSCILLATION-PEAKS....so: the first "primary"coil-short causes a train of osciallations, then 4 or so next-in-line coil shorts ("secondary" sort of ) are timed to occur at the peaks of the oscillations created.
Thats how I understand it, as told to me first-hand by Ismael. This is the heart of the MEG the heart of the repelling-force coil-blast too (how it fills up caps so fast and so high)

anyways if Tesla had two spark gaps, and  could "time" the 2nd (secondary sort of) spark-gap stuff to have oscillations that are of consistent fairly fast frequency, and laid it "on top" of the intial spark  of slower frequency, and made it so the the "secondary spark gap would "ride the peaks" of the slower-frequency  first/primary spark gap, then that would be what Ismael does. You could say synchrounous-sympathetic system mabye...

as caps fill up, the resistance changes, so the freuqeuncy and resonance/harmonics of it all changes too as caps fill then dump to load- this is problem Ismael overcame in some way.

 I have a feeling tesla deveopled some "self-regulating" caps like in his electric car that would make the resistance always consistent in the cpas while filling up and dumping to load then filling again over and over very fast....

Ismael is all over the bifilar coil thing - in his MEG he says he got lots more power by tripling the bifilars into septfilars....not sure what he does however exactly, such as series cancelling, series-adding, or split the bifilars where one half is induced-pwoer wind other is primary..I will guess he does the split-bifilars approach, and shorts the induced-power half of it, which would also be picking up the backemf spikes too; as he mentions in one of those videos that he is "shorting the backemf" but dont know for sure about that as usual...

 Yeah the scond patent is just a general approach. I would assume the patent is the motor that Westinghouse made for him. The Box he had was the control mechanism both spark gaps and shorting mechanism for the generator winding(rotor) then fed into the primary mover (motor). If you read the text of the patent it is specifically mentioned that he is familiar with shorting of coils: Reference: "If under such conditions the coils F F', of the generator-armature be closed upon themselves or short-circuited, no currents, at least theoretically, will be generated in the said armature-coils. In practice I have observed the presence of slight currents, the existence of which is attributable to more or less pronounced fluctuations in the intensity of the magnetic poles of the generator-ring. So, if the armature-coils F F' be closed through the motor, the latter will not be turned as long as the movement of the generator-armature is synchronous with that of the exciter or of the magnetic poles of its field."  So this leads me to believe he is very familiar with coils shorting.

 As for the Bifilar coils Tesla stated that the only resistance to the flow of current in such a coil is the resistive or ohmic value of the wire used to make the coil and that these bifilar coils are capacitors<-- So there is the key!. But much like resistors you could parallel many bifilar coils and halve the resistance many fold, Couldn't you?

 I think I have a good handle on what Ismael is doing here. charging up the end caps then disconnecting the caps from the source then boucing it back and forth between the now disconnected caps and newly connected Bifilar. Since both are considered to be caps electrically he harvests the pulses from the bifilar setup at each pass and increases the value by shorting the bifilar coil many times when it reaches peak value. Very nice setup.

 I have a suggestion for him though. Tell him to make the pancake version of the bifilar and parallel many flat ones together. This would lower the resistance to extremely lower values and allow for better ringing back and forth. Also Tell him to use two such bifilar setups instead of one that he collects from now. Remember these coils act like capacitors but they also act like coils too. Maybe layering one pancake coil on top of the other in pairs, one being the source or capacitor and the next layer being the collector. Many layers would allow for better performance. He is gonna have to experiment with the pancake coils in order to figure out how to harvest the mega pulses which should be emanating from the source coils.

 Also instead of using silicon to control the shorting I think Tesla used vacuum tubes. They can handle much more current then Silicon can and they run at analog speeds.
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #169 on: September 09, 2011, 07:21:42 PM »
Hi Jbigness6

I think the quote from Tesla was talking of a continuous dead-short in his generator, and not shorting coils at peaks briefly. collpasing the coil,  then at swtich opening, caps fill like crazy.
Ismael did go with "multiple bifilars", (septfilars) and got much more power, plus the pictures inside his MEG show stacks of torroids too, so he might already be doing in the MEG jsut what you suggest.

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« Reply #170 on: September 09, 2011, 08:39:51 PM »
Hi Jbigness6

I think the quote from Tesla was talking of a continuous dead-short in his generator, and not shorting coils at peaks briefly. collpasing the coil,  then at swtich opening, caps fill like crazy.
Ismael did go with "multiple bifilars", (septfilars) and got much more power, plus the pictures inside his MEG show stacks of torroids too, so he might already be doing in the MEG jsut what you suggest.

 Well the quote says that he is familiar with shorting because thats how he engages the generator to start the process up to a steady state, that turns the generator setup into a huge induction motor then releases the coil to short through the motor. If one was to repeat this across a spark gap it would automatically short to the motor at the peak of current generation in the generator coils and short to the motor across the spark gap. So in effect yes it is the exact process Ismael is doing. Except the motor is not a bifilar coil.. Or is it?

 *Edit* In figure two of this patent is that a bifilar setup for the field coils? http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-511,915-electrical-transmission-of-power
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #171 on: September 09, 2011, 09:13:52 PM »
Yeah the scond patent is just a general approach. I would assume the patent is the motor that Westinghouse made for him. The Box he had was the control mechanism both spark gaps and shorting mechanism for the generator winding(rotor) then fed into the primary mover (motor). If you read the text of the patent it is specifically mentioned that he is familiar with shorting of coils: Reference: "If under such conditions the coils F F', of the generator-armature be closed upon themselves or short-circuited, no currents, at least theoretically, will be generated in the said armature-coils. In practice I have observed the presence of slight currents, the existence of which is attributable to more or less pronounced fluctuations in the intensity of the magnetic poles of the generator-ring. So, if the armature-coils F F' be closed through the motor, the latter will not be turned as long as the movement of the generator-armature is synchronous with that of the exciter or of the magnetic poles of its field."  So this leads me to believe he is very familiar with coils shorting.

 As for the Bifilar coils Tesla stated that the only resistance to the flow of current in such a coil is the resistive or ohmic value of the wire used to make the coil and that these bifilar coils are capacitors<-- So there is the key!. But much like resistors you could parallel many bifilar coils and halve the resistance many fold, Couldn't you?

 I think I have a good handle on what Ismael is doing here. charging up the end caps then disconnecting the caps from the source then boucing it back and forth between the now disconnected caps and newly connected Bifilar. Since both are considered to be caps electrically he harvests the pulses from the bifilar setup at each pass and increases the value by shorting the bifilar coil many times when it reaches peak value. Very nice setup.

 I have a suggestion for him though. Tell him to make the pancake version of the bifilar and parallel many flat ones together. This would lower the resistance to extremely lower values and allow for better ringing back and forth. Also Tell him to use two such bifilar setups instead of one that he collects from now. Remember these coils act like capacitors but they also act like coils too. Maybe layering one pancake coil on top of the other in pairs, one being the source or capacitor and the next layer being the collector. Many layers would allow for better performance. He is gonna have to experiment with the pancake coils in order to figure out how to harvest the mega pulses which should be emanating from the source coils.

 Also instead of using silicon to control the shorting I think Tesla used vacuum tubes. They can handle much more current then Silicon can and they run at analog speeds.

you are a good thinker ! salute you ! :) Einstein said that imagination is better then knowledge but I can add intuition is sometimes better then both. I thought about such setups too and will try to make prototypes .

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« Reply #172 on: September 10, 2011, 06:31:00 AM »
hi Jbigness

yes it does look like bifilars in those 6 coils in fig 2.
Very interesting the way three adjacent coils seem to connect in series with one-half of bifilar, and then the coils at 180 degrees apart connect with the other half of the bifilar it seems...I wonder what this will do...
maybe one half is motor, other half is generator I dont know..

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« Reply #173 on: September 10, 2011, 06:42:03 AM »
hi Jbigness

Not sure what you (and Tesla) means by engaging the short to get it up to steady state - I guess this means thats how it "outputs" his power generated?
I see "problem" of shorting directly into motor coils - this might just kill the whole effect -
going into unloaded-caps first, then unloading them to motor coils would be way to do it in my feeble opinion -  maybe Tesla is doing it like that...
I mentioned before (and Ismael was telling me of this too) is that the resistance in a cap with no volts in it, and then halfway filled up, and  3/4 filled up, etc.. is always a different and changing resistance-value when filling the caps and discharging the caps to load
so if there is a razors-edge resonant condition/frequency/resistance for filing the caps, its going to go out of resonance as the cap's resistance changes... Ismael was thinking that Tesla must have had some self-regulating caps in his electric car that would "automatically"  change resistance to match-up with the short/spark gap (same thing) feeding the caps....maybe those ball-shaped caps in some of Teslas stuff are what those are...
anways good thinking like Forest said...

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« Reply #174 on: September 10, 2011, 03:29:55 PM »
hi Jbigness

Not sure what you (and Tesla) means by engaging the short to get it up to steady state - I guess this means thats how it "outputs" his power generated?
I see "problem" of shorting directly into motor coils - this might just kill the whole effect -
going into unloaded-caps first, then unloading them to motor coils would be way to do it in my feeble opinion -  maybe Tesla is doing it like that...
I mentioned before (and Ismael was telling me of this too) is that the resistance in a cap with no volts in it, and then halfway filled up, and  3/4 filled up, etc.. is always a different and changing resistance-value when filling the caps and discharging the caps to load
so if there is a razors-edge resonant condition/frequency/resistance for filing the caps, its going to go out of resonance as the cap's resistance changes... Ismael was thinking that Tesla must have had some self-regulating caps in his electric car that would "automatically"  change resistance to match-up with the short/spark gap (same thing) feeding the caps....maybe those ball-shaped caps in some of Teslas stuff are what those are...
anways good thinking like Forest said...

 Well first thing is first. Reread the Bifilar patent again till you understand what it is doing. This is my take on the bifilar coil! The coil for all intense and purpose is both an inductive source (coil) and a capacitor<----Key here is it is both! The only resistance in that capacitance is the wires resistance if it is made the Tesla way (pancake), other configurations lower this outcome (solenoid). But what if we made it of litz wire?<--There would be almost no resistance at all. As far as I know there is no variable resistance in the bifilar coil, unlike all the caps we use today. If we choose not to use litz wire then we can use both capacitance rules and resistance rules to double capacity and halve the resistance by paralleling the bifilar coils. In effect we could possibly lower the resistance to nil and increase the capacitance to huge amounts this way!

 As for the second patent with the generator, what I meant was that you can both Short the generator rotor to get it back up to speed and this shorts the motor (prime mover) as well. This shorting can be done via a spark gap or vacuum tube. If the prime mover (motor portion) is made with bifilar coils you can see how that would work (Ismael's technique). This happens all at once and if the spark gap has a magnetic quenching the amount of on and off becomes nearly unlimited.

 As for shorting the generator rotor in the start-up procedure that would make the the generator rotor a huge induction motor and cut out the prime mover (motor) at the end of the process. There are three distinct portions to this unit: 1) Exciter, 2) Generator/Start-up motor, 3) Prime mover or motor. All of these are designed onto the same shaft as far as I know. Let say once it comes upto a steady state speed we merely short and un-short the generator Rotor and the motor likewise gets this shorting. I think this is what he used in his box that he had on the pierce arrow experiment. It was merely a pulsed short generator that would intermittently short the generator rotor and prime mover(motor) to enable the unit to continue to run. Tesla probably used a cascade tube setup to increase the frequency at the peek of each ac wave generated by the exciter. and there might have been two cascade setups for each half of the wave like Ismael does (+,-). That is speculation by me but my research into the pierce arrow experiment says there were 12 tubes involved. 6 for each half of the wave.

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« Reply #175 on: September 10, 2011, 07:18:54 PM »
hi Jbigness5

I've wound and tested lots and lots of bifilar coils tested against regular winds over years mostly becasue of that Tesla pancake patent is reason plus sometimes people will say they have expeirment that proves bifilars are superior because they double as capacitors, and/or they have more induction to them, and/or pick up more paper clips and pull in radiant energy and all the reasons. but i am always dissapointed in myself int that I cant see any clear advantage every time maybe its just me but its always a bit more voltage with bifilars, and a bit more amps with regular winds thats all I see...I still dont beleive in my testing though and assume there is soemthg great to bifilar sI havent tapped into yet - there was lots of interest recently in the bifillar-cancaleling-series method then jam it into resonance with caps and LaserSaber had video doing this effect well but as for me the way I see the bifilar's advantage is when they are used as both motor and generator coil at same time - so one half is pirmary, and other half is induced-gernator wind and this other half will also be picking up the backemf spikes too becaeu of the tight induction - so when you take out the generator-half into caps like LC circuit, not only are you pickuyp up all the ambient enrgy around the primary winds, and the backemf spike, but also putting it into the right size caps makes it so the voltage captured into the caps will be way over the primary voltage...then you jsut have to put this captured into caps into a load non-reflective like didoe plug or two stage circuit and you should have accelerating motor if motor, lower draw, a power source output almost if not more than the input...anyways this is what I do with bifilars....I geve this idea long ago to Ismael and also had more winds around the primary-coil too so it becaome large-looking coil (these connectd to the gernator-coil half of bifilars) and also :"pikcup" wind BEHIND the primary too, - Ismael expanded on this and put winds INSIDE the primary, where a core would "normally" be...
Now so far nothing about shorting of these coils but what is nice to short is those PICKUP winds (also connected to that gernator-half of bifilar so its all one big coil around behind indside and within the primary gathering every speck of ambient flux plus the backemf spike too - different things)
OK now with that Tesla-generator patent, with the 6 coils, is sure does look like its bifilar coils in that and funny way he hooks them all up too but I bet the induced/secondary/gernator half of those bifilars get shorted and maybe the motor-half too, right after the motor swtihc closes...
I bet the winds in the gernator patent do what they do as one half is motor other is generator - the 3 adjacent coils areporbably the AC out - one hal fpos and other neg phase - and the 180 degrees opposed pairs are probably the motor-part of it...and I bet those are N-S magnets in rotor too...anyways jsut my two cents worth Iam lousy patent-analyzer -
again what Ismael does that sets him apart from Tesla although Tesla probably figured this out too is that Ismael creates the initial RING of the coil with a short, then he shorts the peaks of the RINGS after that....and 5 times at peak is how many times you can do it in the time slot you will probably have....(actually one primay-ring and 4 peak-rings)
I thought the cascading DC circuits were to fill up caps from a primary DC source - didnt know that you can change frequencies with that too but thats pretty good to know now - maybe Ismael does this for the peak-stuff maybe he has a cascading circuit off eac coil short...I think this is what you thinking too


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« Reply #176 on: September 10, 2011, 09:50:54 PM »
 Yes there is two distinct events happening in the Bifilar Pancake coil. One wind is separated by the other return strand. Think about this now. Two pairs of wires wound around each other. One goes one way and the other goes the other way. What this does is accelerate the incoming current. Ok here is a simple analogy. You have two lanes of traffic on a highway. The cars are actually the little wooden ones we here in the states make as Boy Scouts. Each car has a magnet on it with one having a north facing forward and the other has a south facing forward. Now push them in there respected lanes and at some point when they get close enough they accelerate towords each other. That is what happens in the pancake bifilar coils. The magnetic field is shorted out in between the winds but it causes an acceleration in the current except if you follow the lines around the spiral in the patent it is always surrounded by opposing winds. Do this, color the top wire red till it connects to the outer lower wire. Leave the outer lower wire the color it is. now assign it a direction of flow from top left to lower right. Also assign a direction of flow for the wire you didn't color and you will see the direction goes opposite the other color is. But since this is an uneven attraction 2 red to one it accelerates the current. The bifilar pancake coil is a charge accelerator And it nets more magnetic field in the core of the coil because of this. the ratio of charge acceleration is 2 to 1.
 Also the coils still induce voltage in a higher degree to the adjacent wires to boot. This is probably a very bad translation of what is really happening but it is as close as I can figure.

 I think Tesla eventually figured out this in the early 1932 when he did the Pierce arrow experiment. What I find interesting is that he had to have a fan installed on the end of the motor probably to increase air flow due to the frequencies involved. Iron isn't a perfect conductor of the magnetic field and eddies form causing heat build up. This could have been a duel purpose too if the generator/motor was sucking free charges from the air like I think it was doing. It might be that he did in fact use an antenna as well to boost the collections and the motor was the outlet of those charges (heat).

 I assume you are correct because in his black box (Ismael) he has 3 transistors or the likes. In Tesla's generator/motor the only magnets are in the Exciter section. The rest is induction based including the prime mover.

 I will know soon anyways because I am building the generator/motor and will be taking pictures and movies of the build process.

 Right now I have an AC induction motor and the iron ring cut in half for ease of building. I hear the ring should be made out of soft iron wire for optimum efficiency. But for right now I have a split soft iron ring that is all one piece(not segmented) as a test. I'm just waiting on some magnet wire to finish the build and of course the shaft and frame including bearings. I will know soon enough what this entails.

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« Reply #177 on: September 10, 2011, 10:17:17 PM »
now, the point is how to measure capacitance of bifilar coil ? excellen explanation ,thanks jbignes5

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #178 on: September 11, 2011, 04:50:34 AM »
 That is the question I guess. How do we measure the capacitance of the bifilar. I would think it should be like any other capacitor but then some say that there are special rules. Again the Bifilar patent says:

 "If now, as shown in Fig. 2, a conductor B be wound parallel with the conductor A and insulated from it, and the end of A be connected with the starting point of B, the aggregate length of the two conductors being such that the assumed number of convolutions or turns is the same, viz., one thousand, then the potential difference between any two adjacent points in A and B will be fifty volts, and as the capacity effect is proportionate to the square of this difference, the energy stored in the coil as a whole will now be two hundred and fifty thousand as great. Following out this principle, I may wind any given coil either in whole or in part, not only in the specific manner herein illustrated, but in a great variety of ways, well-known in the art, so as to secure between adjacent convolutions such potential difference as will give the proper capacity to neutralize the self-induction for any given current that may be employed. Capacity secured in this particular way possesses an additional advantage in that it is evenly distributed, a consideration of the greatest importance in many cases, and the results, both as to efficiency and economy, are the more readily and easily obtained as the size of the coils, the potential difference, or frequency of the currents are increased."

 Now If I could only figure this out it could tell us a lot. But I'm too tired to think clearly at the moment. Let me think about this some more.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #179 on: September 11, 2011, 09:31:45 AM »
That is the question I guess. How do we measure the capacitance of the bifilar. I would think it should be like any other capacitor but then some say that there are special rules. Again the Bifilar patent says:

 "If now, as shown in Fig. 2, a conductor B be wound parallel with the conductor A and insulated from it, and the end of A be connected with the starting point of B, the aggregate length of the two conductors being such that the assumed number of convolutions or turns is the same, viz., one thousand, then the potential difference between any two adjacent points in A and B will be fifty volts, and as the capacity effect is proportionate to the square of this difference, the energy stored in the coil as a whole will now be two hundred and fifty thousand as great. Following out this principle, I may wind any given coil either in whole or in part, not only in the specific manner herein illustrated, but in a great variety of ways, well-known in the art, so as to secure between adjacent convolutions such potential difference as will give the proper capacity to neutralize the self-induction for any given current that may be employed. Capacity secured in this particular way possesses an additional advantage in that it is evenly distributed, a consideration of the greatest importance in many cases, and the results, both as to efficiency and economy, are the more readily and easily obtained as the size of the coils, the potential difference, or frequency of the currents are increased."

 Now If I could only figure this out it could tell us a lot. But I'm too tired to think clearly at the moment. Let me think about this some more.


That means it is variable capacitor depending on applied voltage ! Also seems like superconductor if you know how to connect it !

 

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