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Author Topic: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR  (Read 291692 times)

Offline konehead

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #150 on: August 01, 2011, 08:37:45 AM »
Hi CC

Ok absolultey everything you wrote is wrong but dont worry about it eh.

Ismael uses only a common 200mah 9V battery to do his repelliing force demo, and with additon of 2 AAs in sereis too, so he has 12V.

that is ALL he has for power supply - then this goes throug a voltage cascadionbg device for 7500VDC in cap...

he also has big pickup winds around his primary, and he also employs 5 tiems at peaks coil-shorting and also resonate-chopped high speed frequency to the primary pulse into coil too plus recycling the power too via peicup winds - its NOT ANYTHIGN like you say of it being very simple anyone can do it type of descritpiton.

Ismael shorts his system 5 times at peaks, and the peaks he shorts are of the resonate frequency chopped input too so everyhting happens extremely fast.

he can shoot the 1 kilo up in air 30feet or so 16 times, in less than a second, and battery voltage drops from 12.4 to 11.8 after all those reps.

Thats what it is and it is true and I have seen it and helpe him do demos.

As for the coil shorting your debuniking descipiton is very badly done.

the coils shorting goes into DC capapcitor after FWBR

your are measuing the voltage in a capacitor that is filled by coil shorting at peaks.
there are lots of videos showing the effect on youtube and its best to not use reed swtiches they blow up easy that is the only thing you got right.

Best to use high amperage very low resistance bidirectional mosfets.

the coil-shorting power must go into DC type caps, not AC type, with no resistance across caps en they fill up,  then cap dump into load in two stage process, whre cap is disconnected from "source" when it hits load.


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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #150 on: August 01, 2011, 08:37:45 AM »

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #151 on: August 01, 2011, 10:36:51 AM »
Hi CC

Ok absolultey everything you wrote is wrong but dont worry about it eh.

Ismael uses only a common 200mah 9V battery to do his repelliing force demo, and with additon of 2 AAs in sereis too, so he has 12V.

that is ALL he has for power supply - then this goes throug a voltage cascadionbg device for 7500VDC in cap...

he also has big pickup winds around his primary, and he also employs 5 tiems at peaks coil-shorting and also resonate-chopped high speed frequency to the primary pulse into coil too plus recycling the power too via peicup winds - its NOT ANYTHIGN like you say of it being very simple anyone can do it type of descritpiton.

Ismael shorts his system 5 times at peaks, and the peaks he shorts are of the resonate frequency chopped input too so everyhting happens extremely fast.

he can shoot the 1 kilo up in air 30feet or so 16 times, in less than a second, and battery voltage drops from 12.4 to 11.8 after all those reps.

Thats what it is and it is true and I have seen it and helpe him do demos.

As for the coil shorting your debuniking descipiton is very badly done.

the coils shorting goes into DC capapcitor after FWBR

your are measuing the voltage in a capacitor that is filled by coil shorting at peaks.
there are lots of videos showing the effect on youtube and its best to not use reed swtiches they blow up easy that is the only thing you got right.

Best to use high amperage very low resistance bidirectional mosfets.

the coil-shorting power must go into DC type caps, not AC type, with no resistance across caps en they fill up,  then cap dump into load in two stage process, whre cap is disconnected from "source" when it hits load.

Good Morning Konehead,

Do you remember what size cap he used?  How many uF @ 7500 ++V?

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #152 on: August 01, 2011, 01:32:07 PM »
Hi CC

Ok absolultey everything you wrote is wrong but dont worry about it eh.

As I said any one with an elementary understanding of electronics will understand nothing special is going on here. Wishing it was so, doesn't make it so.


Ismael uses only a common 200mah 9V battery to do his repelliing force demo, and with additon of 2 AAs in sereis too, so he has 12V.

that is ALL he has for power supply - then this goes throug a voltage cascadionbg device for 7500VDC in cap...

Where? I am yet to see this video? I pointed out I'd be impressed if I saw it but its not on his site and no one seems to know of the videos existence. If you can direct me to such a video please do. if not spoken words are meaningless. what was the quote from somewhere else on this site... Something about words without witness are just words.

by the way, AA batteries are 1.5v so two in series is 3v not 12v. Perhaps you didn't realise this.

he also has big pickup winds around his primary, and he also employs 5 tiems at peaks coil-shorting and also resonate-chopped high speed frequency to the primary pulse into coil too plus recycling the power too via peicup winds - its NOT ANYTHIGN like you say of it being very simple anyone can do it type of descritpiton.

Ismael shorts his system 5 times at peaks, and the peaks he shorts are of the resonate frequency chopped input too so everyhting happens extremely fast.


That's nice.

Perhaps you didn't notice or didn't care to read I did not comment on Ismaels setup, I only comment on the one video which I provided a link to. I was led to believe it is similar, If not then show me a circuit diagram (and video if possible) and I will look it over as well.

In case you haven't brushed up on your electrical theory of late. The speed at which the magnetic flux cuts the conductor (copper coil) effects the voltage. The faster the flux cuts the coil the higher the voltage. So he HAS to do it fast to create high voltages, but as I have already said. Voltage does not equal power. drag a comb through your hair it generates thousands of volts. so what. the most it can do is make your hair stand up, there is not enough energy to do anything else.

Also high speed switching generates a lot of electrical noise. That electrical noise is very inefficient, lots of radio waves (harmonics) emanating from the device and into the environment wasting energy. That's why a power drill or kitchen appliance will often effect a nearby TV or radio.

he can shoot the 1 kilo up in air 30feet or so 16 times, in less than a second, and battery voltage drops from 12.4 to 11.8 after all those reps.

Thats what it is and it is true and I have seen it and helpe him do demos.

As for the coil shorting your debuniking descipiton is very badly done.

If you say so, Its very hard to describe what is happening when you know half the audience doesn't have a clue about basic electrical theory. perhaps I was a little simple in my explanation.

To declare my 'debunking' (I thought I was explaining, but if that's what you think) as badly done, you must know better than me as to how the circuit works. Please describe exactly what happens. I'll put aside my years of experience as an electronics technician and listen to your side of the story. If you have a valid reply I'll happily agree to it. remember I am here too because I am not satisfied with the current state of affairs. But I won't be told black is white when I know otherwise. I may be eager to learn but I am not eager to be led up a garden path. If I wanted that I'd be in church right now.

the coils shorting goes into DC capapcitor after FWBR

your are measuing the voltage in a capacitor that is filled by coil shorting at peaks.
there are lots of videos showing the effect on youtube and its best to not use reed swtiches they blow up easy that is the only thing you got right.

Best to use high amperage very low resistance bidirectional mosfets.

the coil-shorting power must go into DC type caps, not AC type, with no resistance across caps en they fill up,  then cap dump into load in two stage process, whre cap is disconnected from "source" when it hits load.


When I stated he used the wrong caps, he (in the video) is using what are called electrolytic capacitors. very common. they are dc biased and for their size have a better capacity than most normal caps. BUT the output from the coils can be exceedingly high in voltage (due to the fast shorting). They are very voltage dependent and may blow if you subject them to excessive voltage. That's all, it was just an observation. Also I remind you it was about the video I linked to not Ismaels setup.

The only part of ismeals I saw was a 6 or 12v lead acid or gel battery with an inverter and some caps. These can really pack a punch! enough to push a weight into the air many times. a one kilo weight 16 times or perhaps a 16kg weight once? (harder but with good equipment can be done).
http://ismaelwater.com/i4.php <= this video

I could not see enough of Ismaels setup to give any conclusive comment so I refrained. only stating the obvious, he has plenty of power there to kick the weight into the air.

You said you saw it with your own Eyes, That's great. I truly wish I had been there. But I wasn't so I can only go on whats been presented and whats been presented is nothing special at all.

I said it earlier. Wishing it was so doesn't make it so.

So before you came back at me with some half arsed abuse. How about you sit down and write out a complete description as to what exactly is happening and why it works the way it does. Don't worry if its above my head I have plenty of engineer friends who can enlighten me on what is wrong with my understanding.

To PROVE me wrong is a bigger rebuke than just saying I am wrong or hurling pitiful abuse at me or anyone else who dares to consider that what has been said is perhaps not gospel. So go ahead prove me wrong!

If you believe the engineers I would show your proof to are wrong, that's Ok. Just don't be stupid like the foolish hippie I spoke to once, when I told her, If she was so convinced geothermal power is easy to do she should go to university get a degree and show the other (obviously more stupid) engineers what they are doing wrong. Her answer was, she didn't want to be corrupted like them. What an irrational cop out. Wants to tell the world they are liars, but too lazy to seek out the truth herself.
 

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #152 on: August 01, 2011, 01:32:07 PM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #153 on: August 01, 2011, 07:51:47 PM »
hi Ben

I am sorry I dont know the cap uf size of the coil-blast but it is 7500VDCit holds in it. ITs a fairly larege silve rcap is all I know... It take 12seconds to fill up the cap between blasts with the 9V battery and 2 AAs for 12V
the blast knocks a coil that wieghts 1 kilo straight up in air approx 33feet it takes less than second to go that high.
I dont kniow the pulse length, but ismael told me that the primary coil inside the massive pikcup winds is bifilar 22 GA and the pickup winds all around it are 5 strands of 19GA wire, in paralell...the pikcup winds around the primary catch the backemf, and also the "ambient" flux too - when the inner primary ignites, it makes a big flux field that extand all round the primary, and the pikcup winds gather all this.
He uses no diodes! also he has speical cascading DC to step up the DC - I think this uses the coil shsorting technique.
Ismael first chops-in the primary pulse in a very fast resonate frequency, I dont know wha this frequyenc  is, but he cant have any iron in cores, or even nearby system or it will upset this resonate frequency and the thing wont work right - it is very touchy and very dangerous too with that 7500VDC in DC cap
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #154 on: August 01, 2011, 08:58:40 PM »
But what he uses instead of diodes ? how does he fill DC cap without rectifying "signals" ? 7,5kV diode bridge ? I didn't heard about something like that

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #155 on: August 02, 2011, 06:50:13 PM »
hi forest

there are no diodes in the "repelling force" coil blast thing...he told me they will lbow up no matter what since the powr is so extreme (and it is) '
but most probably diodes in the other techs he has (such as in his MEG which powers his electirc car)...there are diodes inside mosfets and IGBT and like things so basically he was telling me the way he collects the backemf requires no didoes...
In the coil-blaster, there is inner primary coils (bifilar 22GA) that takes the hit of the resonate-chopped 7500VDC, and when this inner primary ignites from the jolt of juice, it creates a huge electromagentic field streching say 4 inches or so around the primary with very stong force....so this is normally wasted power, and Ismael wraps lots and lots of secondary winds all around this primary, and behind it too I bet (thats what I do too) and so now all of that field induces lots of power into the secondaries - I call these secondaries pikcup-winds.......
AND this big pickup wind picks up the backemf/recoil too, and then he SHORTS that, 5 times at peaks and jacks up the voltage into cap even more - all this without affecting draw to primary...power goes out to load, or is "recycled" (as I assume the coil blast does) when primary swtihc is off and "source" is disocnnected from caps then they hit load or recycle.
ITs all very complicated including the cascading-DC way he ramps up voltage to the cap from 12V to 7500VDC in 12 seconds between blasts.
To say this is elementary science and anyone can do it is pretty wishful thinking.
He employs coil-shorting too, (as far as I know) in the cascading DC step-up circuit, this is probably inside the recycling-circuit of the recovered power from the seconary/pikcup winds....
I dont know how he eventually collects it all into DC caps without diodes probalby some clever switching dont know for sure but that is "where" it comes from in what I described....same thing really with automotive ignition coil - one coil in it is 12V and then other coil around it is very thin winds so you get the 15KV spark from that and also the backemf/recoil is collected too byt hainve coil around coil.
anyways, no diodes, no iron, HV, coil shorting 5 times at peaks, and EVERYTHING is in resonate or harmonic fregueincies...this is coil-blaster, not his MEG whihc is differnet thing...the MEG powers that electirc car in all the videos not the coil-blast technique...

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #156 on: August 03, 2011, 07:44:25 AM »
konehead

Thank you, I understand now. Still the bigest problem for me are diodes and synchronization, but I'm just starting only...

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #157 on: September 06, 2011, 09:57:10 PM »
 I myself am struggling to understand this but I think I might have a clue. This effect he is producing is not being generated in the normal fashion of our traditional electronics. So trying to apply traditional theories to the operation will do nothing for proof. He is generally working off the basic premise that Tesla used in all of his high voltage experiments. Capacitance discharge into a coil will always net huge potentials. Especially when the coil is a very low resistance bifilar coil which Tesla patented. So from the Tesla patent we will see that:

"I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency. It is well-known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self-induction; hence, in any coil, however small the capacity, it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured. In the ordinary coils the difference of potential between adjacent turns or spires is very small, so that while they are in a sense condensers, they possess but very small capacity and the relations between the two quantities, self-induction and capacity, are not such as under any ordinary conditions satisfy the requirements herein contemplated, because the capacity relatively to the self-induction is very small.
In order to attain my object and to properly increase the capacity of any given coil, I wind it in such way as to secure a greater difference of potential between its adjacent turns or convolutions, and since the energy stored in the coil—considering the latter as a condenser, is proportionate to the square of the potential difference between its adjacent convolutions, it is evident that I may in this way secure by a proper disposition of these convolutions a greatly increased capacity for a given increase in potential difference between the turns."

 Reference: http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-512,340-coil-for-electro-magnets

 So what this man has done is exactly what the bifilar was always intended to do and that was to totally convert the current to super high potential via the increased speed at which the cap dump goes trough the coil due to the lower BEMF. This is cancelling the BEMF totally and allowing the current dump from the cap to shoot trough the coil at incredible speeds. This in turn increases the magnetic response from the environment towords the source of this event without having to initiate a magnetic event in the first place and it bounces back and forth between the final cap and bifilar coil(capacitor) causing a huge generation in the external pickup coils. This is Tesla Tech at it's finest.

 Here is also another clue using more traditional technology: http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine

 Please read and reread these documents over and over before dismissing these claims. Tesla used non traditional armatures (field coils) they were toroids. That meant the magnetic field was wholly contained in the core toroid. Just as Leedskanin proves with the phm. The only other field that could possible be present is the electric field emmanating from the copper wires and Tesla knew everything there was to know about the electric field. Once separated from the magnetic field there is no lenz drag and one could generate huge amounts of energy without the lenz force because it did not effect the source.

 Here is a close up of the core he used: http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-382,282-electric-converting-distributing . They must be closed upon them selves meaning forming a circuit. So if you use iron wire it must be circular in nature or closed looped to get the effect.

 As usual we have misinterpreted the patents and that is due to Tesla needing to have the basis of his real invention in the public eye. He knew one day someone would decode the puzzle and hopefully it has been decoded properly.

 Has anyone tried to detect a magnetic field around a pmh? Trust me there is none because it is locked inside of the core forever circulating. This circulation is what he mentions about the circuit having inertia. When you trap the magnetic field inside the core the only other field that is present is the electric field and that field is solely responsible for the generation of currents in the generator section of the second patent. The second patent can be utilized all on one shaft if the field coils go in the opposite direction of the turning motor. If the exciter is of a high voltage type meaning many many windings of fine mag wire you can see that it is pure potential that turns the field of the field coils. The generator rotor is a heavy copper wire like house wire and when the electric field cuts that huge currents are pulled into the system. Plus the more you put drag (clutch for a vehicle) on the motor the more the currents gets generated if you follow the design in the second patent compensating for the motor to amp up and try to go back to a steady state.

 I don't have it all worked out but I think People like Konehead can more then figure this out. Give it a shot and let me know what you think.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #158 on: September 07, 2011, 03:33:33 PM »
another few more months till i will be proven right.... that is that in 3 or so months would make a year since his first claim of a "break through" etc etc blah blah invention... and i said that in 12 months nothing at all would of happened .... ill renew my "bet" for another 12 months.... frick.. how about 100 years? thats how confident i am that this is BS

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #159 on: September 07, 2011, 04:00:46 PM »
supression, think

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #160 on: September 07, 2011, 04:08:33 PM »
nope, not suppression.. just plain old stupidity!

Ok.. think of it like this... if EVERYONE tries a certain thing and fails, EVERY time! you would (as a potential new comer) want to try something different? right?

not Mr Ismael.... hence FAILURE! not suppression... stupidity!

(just to spell things out... the "thing" i am referring to is trying to patent the device in question to ultimately (try and fail) become a billionaire)

the "something different" would be open sourcing it... making it suppression proof! ........ but nooooooooooooo greed and stupidity seem to go hand in hand

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #161 on: September 07, 2011, 04:31:13 PM »
nope, not suppression.. just plain old stupidity!


I have to agree;
There must be one hundred ways to convert this effect into a product so that
people can see this for themselves that this works without having to enter the
"Alchemy design Zone". He sold a product when he ships his alkaline health water.
Why can he not do the same with his other ideas? Many, many more people want
him to truly prove his inventions rather then to steal them. The situation as it exists
makes no sense; to have everyone in the world have to reproduce the invention
of a good idea before society can get any value from it...Oh, Well.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #162 on: September 08, 2011, 04:20:22 AM »
Hi All,
here are 4 new videos from Isamel.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rujb0T9jSng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXKN-aUAe6Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv7C7YOetDY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKvR5OlLNDM



Ismael Aviso said, he was forced to make these video to answer all repeated question coming into his email everyday.

The last 3 videos will show you how & what is needed to accomplish the over-unity machine.

He gave 30% technical details & 95% basic principles on how to extract ambient energy..
Including what is inside the black box of his Ecar...

Sorry for the shaky amature hand video.

His original channel is here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ley858

I got permission from him to copy it to my Youtube channel as a backup.

Many thanks for Ismael to have come forward with the explanations how his great technology works.

He is a real genius.

Please support him.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

 Hey Poit.. Do you even read anything that is posted? How about what I posted? This man goes as far to show you step by step on what this system is. He even shows you what is inside his little black box! All you got to do is click the video links and Walla you know how he does it. Yeah it might not be step by step production instructions or the best video quality but it is the meat of his method.

 As for him open sourcing this, well after all this is only the same method used by Tesla over 100 years ago and with the same coil Tesla designed and patented. This guy thinks he is gonna get rights to the technology but he can't it has been public domain for so long that he couldn't get rights. This might be one reason it is taking so long right now.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #163 on: September 08, 2011, 04:25:41 AM »
step by step? fuelless car? just two of the many many claims here.....

let me see two other FACTS...
1: youtube video uploaded on 22 May 2011
2: no one has replicated or proved "fuelless" car

your counter argument sir?

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #164 on: September 08, 2011, 07:21:03 AM »
Ismael doesnt call his electric car a fuel-less car. that is what others have hyped it up to be like Ashweth in his video of it....all Ismael says about it in "bragging-rights" is that if his MEG "as is" was put into conventiaonl electric cars to power them, it would make three times more effecient electric cars as far as range goes- that is all he claims with it.

The electric car has a "36V" forklift motor powering it, there is about 600V going into the forklift motor from his MEG. then a single 12V batery powering the MEG.
There is absolutely no backemf/recoil plasma/arcs in the brushes of the forklfit motor thats how he can pump so much voltage into it...
the car's rear where was put on dynamotor in Phillpine DOE lab there is videos of it and it was proven wihtout doubt to be 133% effecient - this in measuing the power from the wheels in HP compared to the input power in watts into the MEG.

Nobody else in world has ever been able to take ANYTHING to a DOE lab in any country anywahere and prove somethign to be operating abover 100% effecient (overunity)....and this is a piece of junk forklift motor powered by his MEG that shows that overunity. So if you dont like it thats a personal problem and I cant help you and neither can Ismael too.


 

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