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Author Topic: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison  (Read 423910 times)

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #1020 on: October 19, 2011, 10:07:53 PM »

 Again I can not agree more with you and John B. Paralleling these will substantially improve their life spans. But I still think we need to build in some safety device to make sure the cells are not capable of self destruction. It will limit the current and keep them strong.

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« Reply #1021 on: October 20, 2011, 03:16:10 AM »
  I wouldn't think that to be necessary as the current is already limited by the weakest cell in the bunch, when they are in all parallel there. Which acts as a resistor to the currents output level.

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« Reply #1022 on: October 20, 2011, 03:38:03 PM »
 Yes the BMS will be very necessary for this application. You got to understand that each cell in the parallel bunch are singular and they have limits from what I am seeing. This limit is based on the material we choose for the crystalline structure. It's phasing point or melting point is the problem. It is all well known about how this process works. Too much heat and the battery goes gooey.

 So I am guessing that this is what chemical batteries do. The initial reaction is from the setup and gets a boost from the chemical reaction. When the chemical reaction is spent either the battery needs a recharge or the battery will maintain a limited current capability.

 Having many of these weak cells in parallel will eventually even the odds and we should be able to attain the same level as battery technology currently with no use of chemical reaction or at the least very little chemical reaction.
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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #1023 on: October 23, 2011, 03:44:53 PM »
Hey nick could you send IBpointless a message for me to check here. I thought he was going back and forth here but no one seems to be working here besides me and you?

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« Reply #1024 on: October 23, 2011, 05:01:43 PM »

 I had a chance last night to think about this in the half dreaming state. The process we are seeing here to lock in this materials structure is the heat phase transition of the crystalline material we are using. Through complicated structure geometry it is making a diode like structure. When we short out the cell as well in the forming of this structure it aligns up more efficiently through the structure. We are not allowing the structure to form in any other fashion by using this process.

 When I was younger I saw a video of a very important experiment. It was a very simple experiment. Charge a plastic comb with static energy and it will make the salt or sugar crystals jump and move around. Well I am having a hard time finding the original video this one should help you to understand the process a bit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT4UVsfZkwg

 In that video we see the effects of potential on the matter of the rice crispies. I suggest we are doing the same thing but in our case the charge is based off the matter itself. With one metal having a better ability to convey charge through itself then the other. We increase the phase temp of the crystalline structure into the molten phase. This allows the structure to become very mobile and pliable. With two metals with different charge levels inserted it will pull the crystalline structure into a new form. That form is locked in as the temperature lowers back into the rigid structure mode and locks that new form in. This new form is very capable of providing one way flow by virtue of it's shape(geometry) alone. Water and heat are merely the method to use in this process. It is not what drives this new type of battery. It is the mechanic building process and if there is water left in the crystal then it is working against the action we have set up.

 Most of my revelations about this always lead me back to surfaces and tensions on those surfaces. Just like a drum we are creating a surface tension then letting the ambient waves drum on that surface and collecting that energy. These batteries are only acting as one way valves in that sense and reject most anything in the other direction. This is very akin to the way Moray did his device.

 I would suspect that the best geometry of this device should reflect back to the geometry of the field we are using to setup the crystal lattice in the phase transform. Since we are using pyramidal based crystals the device should resonate with that shape as well. I'm assuming the tetrahedron(Borax) is that structure or geometry and the pyramid is the fill material or Alum or in some way fits together to provide a flow in one way.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #1025 on: October 24, 2011, 12:27:14 AM »
  There may be a few people just lurking in the background, waiting for the right moment to get involved. This thread is complicated and getting long, not all can deal with the experimental side of things, and would like to just see some result first. 
  There is a lot of action being done in the Energetic Forum, under the  Earth Light Thread, though. Many different ideas are being tried, the latest direction is the work on the semiconductor cells, and the making of multi-cells or multiple cells to raise the voltage levels.
   

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« Reply #1026 on: October 24, 2011, 08:01:48 PM »

 Yes Nick I am aware of the thread at EF. The problem there is I have no access. Mostly because I couldn't stop myself from giving my opinion about a rather public battle on there. The problem is some people like to lay claim to things because they mod one little part of the system. This I took exception to. It has always been touted that EF was an open source en-devour. The problem is that people didn't invent the stuff we are using. Yes they thought of new ways to put them together but much as everyone is learning life itself draws from this energy. The matter we intake facilitates the potential differences that we need to organize and use this energy to our ends. They did not invent that. We are merely discovering these materials out. We are not inventing them. They are not doing anything that they were not naturally designed to do.

 I would appreciate it if you guys expanded your forums reach and participated here as well. Seeing that the EF forum is only about making money I thought we would gather in many places ensuring this stays public information. You guys know that Aaron owns that board. There is nothing Open Source about that. He can do the same to you as he has to me and restricted access to me because I called him out on a few things. Although those posts got deleted they were valid and I stand by them.

 So please talk to the EF experimenters and ask them to move or copy the information to this thread or even start a new one dedicated to the whole story about these batteries. I for one would like to participate but I don't see any action on this forum when compared to the EF.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #1027 on: October 25, 2011, 03:58:48 PM »
 So back to the crystals. Just like in liquid crystals we have movement or a lining up of the structure via the polarization. As the heat leaves the structures become rigid or condensed. Think of heat like this: greasy balls of charge. Charges are very mobile units of crystalline fury. Kinda like a mobius loop. These highly dynamic swirls of crystals is the flow we see in water and all liquids. And to tell you the truth it's mass is so dense that no one could fathom it. Mass is a weird thing at those scales. All real mass is in motion in some respect. Either it is moving from point a to point b or it is spinning around it's axis. These particles are always in motion even when not moving from point a to b. This is where we get into the web like structure that forms around points of motion or potential. Think of the real matter at this point. They line up according to their structural geometry. Edges, surfaces and points tend to line up via induction. You must understand even at those small scales that they are floating in a fluid like substance. So this means eddies and flow patterns from the previous particle to pass that specific point left swirls and flows in the fluid. Thes particles also have real mass. They displace the medium in which they flow. They are hydrophobic in a sense of the medium they reside in.
 On our scale this would parallel the body under deep water. I wonder if there is a water simulator we could test the shapes with. This simulator would need the static rules as well for flow charge and surface charges as they flow.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #1028 on: October 27, 2011, 05:17:11 PM »
 One avenue I am going to look into is the compression of the crystalline structure as it forms. I am thinking this is the technique which would increase the density of these "batteries" or Valves as I like to call them. The round version, inside of a tube is much better. This allows a natural Tension to build up inside of the crystal structure. As the material phase changes with heat it acts much like water does as it goes to ice phase. This causes a smaller layer of crystalline matterial and the density changes as the crystal forms in the interior. Higher density means more push power. So this compresses the exterior crystals into the tubing causing a pumping action to happen in one direction only. I would think someone should look into what crystal they use in electric lighters. You know the ones they snap a crystal and it conducts one way. Some of those put out 1k volts sometimes 2k.

 Maybe we should look into this: Polyvinylidene fluoride

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« Reply #1029 on: October 29, 2011, 12:17:47 AM »

 After reading up on this I think I have figured out what those very small transformers are doing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinylidene_fluoride . One of the uses of this material is to cover 30 gauge and lower wires. It's piezo electric. From resonating the coil we can get additional potential from this covering. As the wires vibrate they impart a higher voltage. This is merely a static boost with very little current. Once the flow is established the static potential raises for seemingly free.

 I think the magic in making these cells is to include compression of the crystal lattice as it grows. The more structural content the crystals have the better the capability to be additive to the total potential. These crystals should resonate based on geometry and compression forces, all from the noise of the Universe. Once you take away the compression aspect it ruins the process.

 I'm thinking the shape is very very important. It must be an enclosed unit that can sustain huge pressures.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #1030 on: October 29, 2011, 01:14:28 AM »
   I've been working on a cylindrical carbon/quartz cell that is made in a 1 1/4 by 2 inch long piece of galvanized tube. I've included powdered quartz, and some powdered sea shells into the carbon electrolyte mix. For the anode I made a spiral of thick copper wire.  This cell uses no additional chemicals, salts, water, heat, or semiconductor treatment on the metals.  Seams to work well so far.  My multimeter is not working so I can't say what the cell is outputting, yet, but it seams to work ok, even without the use of the caustic chemicals that my other cells had.   Although the previous cells worked very well, with each cell having over 50 mA of current output, the chemicals in the carbon from the carbon/zinc batteries I used, would oxidize the aluminum capacitor can that I had used previously. Now I think that I've eliminated that oxidation problem. Plus I've hermetically sealed the cell with bees wax, on the top and bottom, and coated the inside and the outside of the galvanized tube with conducting grease. 
 
  The addition of Alum can cause a build up of presure inside of a totally sealed cell that may help to increase the output as the Alum crystals keep growing. I have not tried it though, as I'm trying to stay away from the use of salts, altogether, if I can.

  As far as the shape of the cell goes...  John H mentioned that they think that the cylinder shaped cells can have more output when compared to the flat sheet metal type cells, that otherwise use the same materials. 
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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #1031 on: October 30, 2011, 05:17:32 PM »
"JB it seems that your using something different DRYING SILICATE. Is the drying silicate for flowers a much finer grain than silicate gel? 

So for a basic replication we would melt some epsom salt down on the stove than add the salt substitute, sodium carbonate, and use copper electrode and magnesium electrode that must oxidized with either EPSOM SALT or ALUM prior adding the cell?

Also you mentioned that the ALUM and SODIUM CARBONATE neutralize each other out. So I take it that these 2 should not be added together when trying to make a cell crystal?

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rick"

 This is a post I would like to address from that other Forum.

 I think we need to understand the process we are trying to mirror here. Matter is loosely bound to this aetheric fabric. And likewise the Aether is Too! BUT It has an inductive control mechanism.
 We want the depletion zone in the mix. But I think we need to learn how to create this interface. Has anyone done a separate mix of the two crystals and tried to pour them into the same container at the same time? Or does the different crystals need to be uniformly mixed as it cools?

 I have been thinking about the process of the crystalline matter forming sheets. We have to understand that the Aetheric medium is charge, it is only in motion and bound to itself.
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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #1032 on: October 30, 2011, 06:27:00 PM »
  Although I don't use the cell mix that is mentioned above by Rick,  it is the combination of the two different salts that gives more output than just using one or the other by itself.  Ibpointless2 has tried the various salts by themselves and together. 
  John B has been trying many different chemicals in his various mixes. And also mentioned that the sodium carbonate cells output was underrated at 150mAs. That it really is more like 250mAs. But, he has never shown that kind of output. On one of his last posts he mentioned that the output that can be expected is in the 2 to 35mA range, from the mix mentioned in the previous post above. So, I'm a bit confused, but if that is all the output that can be expected from such an elaborate combination or even his semiconductor mix, it's not much...  as I get that from my cells without any of the fuss.  I'm not trying to knock his system, as I know how hard it has been to obtain any worthwhile results. It's just that getting only a few mAs is not really worth the trouble. Plus the increasing cell impedance over time will drop the output even further. So, I have not seen anything really useful come out of any of these tests, yet.  We are still very very far away when compared to using solar panels, and regular lead acid batteries to light leds.
  The benefit of using this kind of perpetual output cells is when there is no sunlight available, like for those living in apartments, or where there are trees blocking the sun, as in my case. 
   I don't know if we are getting any closer to our goals, but there is always hope. 
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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #1033 on: October 31, 2011, 04:25:56 AM »

 Ok Nick.. The one problem I have with that is the near 2 amp flow I saw from IBpointless's last battery. I suspect the magnesium is getting attacked in that one. If not he is really onto something there? Has anyone asked IB more about that battery?

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« Reply #1034 on: October 31, 2011, 05:43:09 AM »
  I don't know what to make of the Ib cell reading 2 amps, but as I recall it drops quite fast under a load. That is the whole point of any of these cells, it doesn't matter if they bounce back or not when disconnected, as that is not going to help to power a load. If the output drops with the meter reading, it is a weak cell.
It's not what output a cell starts at,  but at what running level it can maintain at, when running long term under a load. And a load of at least a red led, lit brightly, not just barely visible. If any cell can maintain at least one red led lit permanently by itself with no help from an oscillator, it's a winner.

 

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