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nitinnun

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #570 on: October 30, 2008, 11:05:22 PM »
the more metal surface area i have, the more amperage.

because more surface area means more "ZPE molecules", arranged in parallel:



nitinnun

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #571 on: October 30, 2008, 11:10:08 PM »
the rochell is oxygen, hydrogen, sodium, and potassium.
it is chemically similar to sugar and table salt !

pyrite would provide the iron atoms. like my cells have iron on them.

galena has lead. lead is diamagnetic, like the copper in my cells is diamagnetic.
(bismuth works better than copper or lead. and bismuth is more diamagnetic than both !)


there you have it. the wonder hutch gets the metal atoms from pyrite and galena.
the rest is about how those atoms form covalent bond chains, to connect between the metals.


john hutchison polarizes the molecules towards the 2 terminals, when he charges them with electricity.
so that the atoms are spitting their magnetism towards the terminals, when the middle substance dries.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #572 on: October 31, 2008, 02:09:39 PM »
Right...
....
Now don't take this the wrong way, but it sounds a bit oversimplistic...

"there you have it"?
All we have there is a couple of suggestive remarks that point out
what you deem to be clear similarities between certain elements
used in the cell materials that Hutch and yourself used in their
completely different cell types. We get zero explanation or underlying
theory to explain anything even regarding those elements.

I hear you say that you think Rochelle Salt, sodium potassium tartrate,
is chemically similar to sugar and table salt because the compounds
consists of H, Na, K and O... But it's only the constituent atoms that
are the same, the chemical structure and crystal structures are totally
different...
I hear you say that your glue cell has iron and copper,
and pyrite and galena contain iron and lead,
and that's about all you said. Yes, so what? That doesn't really explain
anything...
Oh, right, and a suggestion that the metal atoms "spit their magnetism
towards the terminals", whatever that means.

This may be a clear description and explanation of things in your mind,
but it is in fact quite a vague collection of remarks;
can you please try to rephrase it into a more coherent line of thought,
where you clearly indicate how you think that works?
And it's ok if you can't, but then please say so, because now it sounds
like you think you know exactly how it works but you're not making this
clear in what you posted, and I think we'd all like to at least try and
understand what in your mind appears to make so much sense.
So pretty please, can you give a bit more explanation there?

Thanks.

sutra

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #573 on: October 31, 2008, 09:59:07 PM »
Hi guys,

I also tried the sugar option because is a piezoelectric substance but it didn't work....it cooks too easily and Rochelle S. is in any case much more piezo.....I really have to decide myself to use the HV DC...

@ Koen,
from 2001 to 2006 I've been in South Africa....



bye

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #574 on: November 02, 2008, 08:24:08 AM »
Hello everyone I'm new,

So, I've been reading all your posts since you started.  I'm quite interested in new technologies to produce energy.  I built a small crystal cell, and I must say it really seems like a galvanic cell. When water is added it is a galvanic cell.  You might as well just have the copper dipped in the water, and the aluminum acting as the cathode.  Has anyone built a cell purely from dry material? Also, I bet when water is added it takes forever for all the water molecules to evaporate out of the cell. I'm going to try melting the galena, rochelle salt, silicon, pyrite(ground), and quartz. Then I'll pump it with a ton of electricity till it dries.  Has anyone done this? Also, I don't know what you guys think, but John Hutchison seems a little bit tricky at times.  I saw one video with him dangling a UFO toy from a string and claiming it was his Hutchison effect that was lifting the UFO.  Could he be possibly be faking these crystal cells to get publicity?  Also, does anyone know where the electrons come from when a magnet passes through an induction coil?  Do they come from the the copper itself (just being excited and thus breaking down the copper wire over time), or are the electrons coming from the surrounding environment?  If the answer is that they come from the surrounding environment, could you please show me a scientific published experiment supporting this hypothesis.  I really want to know the answer to this question with 100% certainty, because if magnets and semiconductors are truly acting as "electron pumps" then "free energy" may someday be reality.  Plus, this basically gives some clues to explaining a connection between electromagnetic energy, electricity and magnetism.

Thanks, Dustin

nitinnun

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #575 on: November 02, 2008, 08:32:25 AM »
water might make the metals corrode. but water is NOT the source of the electricity.


the source of electricity is surplus clockwise magnetism generated by the diamagnetic metal,
and surplus counter-clockwise magnetism generated by the paramagnetic/ferromagnetic metal.

these 2 magnetic polarities polarize the water. causing the 2 hydrogens of one water molecule, to hydrogen bond with the oxygen of another water molecule.

this hydrogen bond makes all the water molecules share their magnetic fields. forming one giant magnetic field.
these water molecule ALSO magnetically bond to the 2 metals. sharing their magnetic fields with the metals as well.


the diamagnetic metal pumps its surplus clockwise into this magnetic field.
the paramagnetic metal pumps its surplus counter-clockwise into this magnetic field.

a magnetic field is JUST CW and CCW spin!
so the metals charge up the magnetic field!


the power source is excess magnetic spin from the atoms!
not from the metals breaking down!

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #576 on: November 02, 2008, 08:49:13 AM »
hmmmm?  I'm pretty sure it has to do with galvanic corrosion......

Copper and aluminum goes through oxidation and reduction in the presence of an acid.  I'm sure you know water goes through autoionization and can act as either an acid or a base by itself.  The energy doesn't come from the water I know, but it comes form the copper Cu --- Cu 2(+)  +  2electrons(-)

Your explanation sounds interesting, but still shows that copper in the presence of water is what is making the energy.  Also, you neglected to explain where the copper goes after it has corroded, and I think this is explained by Einstein's equation of E=mc^2.  The corroded metal becomes energy.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2008, 09:21:29 AM by DDarcade »

ian middleton

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #577 on: November 02, 2008, 09:53:19 AM »
G'day all,

And a very warm welcome to DDarcade, which leads quite nicely to my first point.
@DDarcade: What sort of smelter have you got?  You are going to need at least 1420 oC to melt the silicon alone by which time all traces of rochelle salt would have vapourized. If you did manage to melt then all togther, rochelle salt would not be one of the ingredients.

Your point about the cells being galvanic is valid. It is my belief that a crystal cell has to go through a galvanic stage, after all one of the ingredients JH said he used was water. The water I suspect is purely to facillitate crystalization and may even be necessary during polarization.  Because of the length of time it takes to fully "dry" a cell, it may be weeks, months or even years before one can determine whether a cell has ceased to be galvanic.  A load resistor placed across the cell when it is made helps speed thing along.

I'll leave the explaination as to where the copper goes after the reaction to our resident chemist.  ;D ;D. Now where did I put those clogs.


Simple is best. (thats why I'm good at everything)   ;D ;D

Ian

nitinnun

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #578 on: November 02, 2008, 10:26:29 AM »
how much heat, is neded to make "covalent bonds"?

covalent bonds are what unifies the magnetic fields of every atom in the cell.
it is not neccessary to melt the atoms, to make them covalently bond.



john hutchison did not melt the metals, with the heat.
i am 90% certain that he did not "melt" the silicon in his cell either.

because there is no way that the stove heater he used, with that metal shell as an oven, could have gotten that hot.

it is unlikely that the rocchel salt was destroyed by the heat.
but if it was destroyed, than its atoms would have reformed into a new substance.
maybe the substance that DOES cause the electricity?

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #579 on: November 02, 2008, 10:52:00 AM »
Welcome to the new ones.

I've realized some crystal cells made with both electrodes of the same metal, the result are not far from the ones made with copper and aluminum, the difference is that most of the times polarisation was oscillating up and down till stabilizing at very low outputs. The choice of 2 different electrodes is  due to trying in channelling the electrons in one direction only, thanks to the electronic properties of the metals.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #580 on: November 02, 2008, 07:30:42 PM »
Sorry but I don't recall John ever mentioning the use of water in his cell construction.
What audio or video file did you hear him mention that on.
I personally think his secret ingredient is Rochelle Salt.
On one of his videos you can see that it's a powdered material.
I believe he heats his cells until its melting point(75 C) and uses it as the binding and polarization element.
Then he electrically charges the cell as the Rochelle Salt hardens again.
This should form an Electret.
I think a good temperature to heat the cell to is just past the boiling point of water.
Then leave it at that temperature for a while to ensure all the moisture is removed.
This should help prevent galvanic action from taking place.
Then apply a decent voltage to the cell as it cools.
The one video shows John holding the electrode so it may only take a few volts to do the polarization.

Check it out at the 4min. mark of the following video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5787522280823887082

This is just my theory on it.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2008, 08:03:48 PM by AbbaRue »

nitinnun

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #581 on: November 02, 2008, 11:25:13 PM »
.......the cell uses covalent bonds between dry elements. SIMILAR to water using hydrogen bonds to conduct magnetism.

water is an example of how it works. and why the voltage is NOT from galvanic blah-age.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #582 on: November 04, 2008, 06:31:17 AM »

 I personally think his secret ingredient is Rochelle Salt.
On one of his videos you can see that it's a powdered material.
I believe he heats his cells until its melting point(75 C) and uses it as the binding and polarization element.
Then he electrically charges the cell as the Rochelle Salt hardens again.


I agree with you when looking at this video.  It's probably rochelle salt alone, no water.  Good job

However, some of his other videos looks like he's melted a metal of some kind

Also, I don't know about you guys, but I would love to recreate a Morray valve.  Anybody have any information on the Morray valve?

Anyway, cool

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #583 on: November 04, 2008, 03:46:08 PM »
Yeah, well, besides the videos I also have some
text descriptions that came from John himself,
and in those he is very clear about the ingredients
as well as the method.
He said: - melt Rochelle Salt. (Rochelle Salt as dry
crystals will melt at approx 75 degrees C.)
- add crushed ingredients (= Iron Pyrite and Galena
crystals crushed, both are natural semiconductor
compounds used in very early crystal radio detectors
and were the inspiration for the later crystal diodes
that are made of specifically tailored materials, nowadays
mostly silicon and germanium based intrinsic semicon-
ductor crystals with p and n doped zones)
- stirr and mix well
- pour into conductive container (in the texts JH said silver
or silver coated but in the videos he does not use silver)
- apply high voltage DC (JH said "steady, clear" which
implies no pulsed input but real direct current through the cell)
- allow to cool & solidify while DC is applied
- after cooling, remove DC feed
- done
John has never clearly indicated that he used water,
and he has indicated a number of times that he just melts
the salt. Which makes sense. After all, RS is particularly
easy in that respect: it melts easily, it does have solid structure
at normal room temperatures, it is dielectric, it can be polarised
to form an electret-like structure, it is light weight and cheap.
It does however have one characteristic that may cause some
difficulties: it is very absorbant of moisture, including air humidity.
And we all know that water in combination with different metals
will generate galvanic reactions and potentials, even if this is not
abundantly present liquid but rather internal 'crystal water'.
But then again, if produced in a dry environment and sealed from the
air right after production, this potential problem can be minimised.

Those who have mixed metal powders will have noticed that
the liquid Rochelle Salt mixed with even relatively small amounts
of metal powder in it gains a metallic luster, sometimes also
a metallic glitter-like look. This may look somewhat like liquid metal,
especially on low quality video.
I have made a few with Germanium powder, with Gallium, with
Aluminium powder, with Iron powder, with crushed Pyrites, crushed
Galena, all kinds of stuff. And most of them change their appearance
from the white-ish RS colour to metallic almost immediately after
mixing the powders into the RS.
So that probably explains the liquid metal look in the vids.

As for the Moray tube ("valve"), yes, there are elaborate descriptions
of the thing, detailed pictures, quite a bit of info.
But it is a difficult task to attempt replication.
The tube was very complex. It started out as a fairly simple tube
based on the "glowing rock" he found on his trip to Sweden (a.k.a.
his "Swedish Stone"), and which was apparently able to produce
low output. There is some evidence of Moray using the stone
in fairly simple "crystal radio" setups and using it to amplify
energy. Later he studied the stone in detail and after that he came up
with intricate and complicated "valves" with a large number of
different anodes and cathodes, coils, and other parts, all built
into a complex interactive circuit inside his tube. He spent many years
finetuning this setup, adding and altering components, to ensure
ideal interaction and maximum amplification.
The main problem is that we simply don't know exactly what type
of rock his "Swedish Stone" was. We do know that he apparently
used certain radioactive compounds in a few of the tubes components.
This seems to suggest that he was in fact using RF stimulated
radioactive decay in combination with vacuum tube amplification
techniques and possibly also combined with early radio detector
(read: diode) components.
It has for example been suggested that Moray used radioactive
Iron Pyrite, and that his "stone" was of such composition. This is
possible, as pyrites were used as crystal radio detectors, and
it was also not uncommon to use radioactive materials in electronics
to stimulate electron emission.
Another suggested possibility is the presence of tritium in the rock,
which may be plausible since certain Scandinavian mountain ranges
are known to produce relatively high amounts of heavy water. The
reasoning here is that if there's water with deuterium, there may also
be tritium, and such isotopes may form chemical bonds with other
elements, and in this way tritium-compounds may occur in certain rocks.
And we know that tritium produces beta radiation, a.k.a. flying electrons.
We also know that we can cause emissions to increase and decrease
by exposing the material to specific types of EM fields.
It seems a small step to reason that Moray was in fact pulsing some
radioactive compound with the appropriate fields, thus causing
more and less beta radiation effects, and synchronising these output
bursts with oscillations in the electrical system connected to the valve,
to get out significantly amplified oscillations.

Wish I could get some Tritium. :D
If anyone in Britain is willing to play middle man, I could order some
Tritium glow stick keychains and have them sent to this person,
who could then send them through to me, as the companies that sell
them do not export it to mainland Europe, and it seems there are no
companies on the continent that sell the things.
And if there's anu americans who'd like to play middle man, I have the
same plan for Litroenergy Glowing paint. They also do not ship abroad,
although I am not sure if they actually have the paint for sale yet as they
never reply to my emails. But perhaps they are just assholes and only
reply to Americans? In any case, that paint contains silica microspheres
with phosphorus in the silica and tritium inside the spheres, and each
microsphere glows with the typical tritium half-life of 12 years. Paint
your cellar in that stuff and you'll never need light bulbs for at least 10 years.
Or paint it onto a solar cell and get output, without the cell ever seeing sunlight.
Anyone for the middle man job? ;) :)

jeanna

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #584 on: November 04, 2008, 10:13:42 PM »
@Koen,

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Anyone for the middle man job? Wink Smiley

Nowadaze in america all packages are opened for inspection. Freedom took a nosedive in November 1963 but it seems the crashed landing is very close to complete, now. So, no one would be successful in mailing something of this sort to you even if they were to volunteer.

Sorry! (actually it is very sorry.  ;) )

jeanna

P.S (I always get very cynical around voting times)