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Author Topic: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison  (Read 525659 times)

ian middleton

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #360 on: June 12, 2008, 03:56:32 PM »
G'Day all,

While the pyrite cell was in the freezer I slapped a 22kohm resistor across it and after 3 hours the voltage dropped to 6.5mV.
After another 24 hours I released it from it's frozen tomb and removed the resistor. 3 hours later at room temperature it's voltage
was back up to 1 285V and powering the digital watch. Galvanics aside, it's a tenacious little bugger. ;D

@Koen: I'm not sure what I made with the Sulphur and iron oxide so I did a quick web search and came across US pat 4753756.
If you have time check it out. It may be worth investigating.
The S FeO2 matrix seems to an ideal binder for tourmaline and pyrites. In it's molten state it is easy to manage and is very uniform
in it's consistancy. I'll work on it some more this weekend. :)

Ok tea break over, back to work  ;D

regards   Ian

sutra

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #361 on: June 12, 2008, 07:53:29 PM »
hi guys,
I'm back and now I have galena!!!!

My first cell is made with a can metallic cork and 50 Euro cents....
submitted to 20V DC during curing, it pushes 1,7 V....

I'll keep it to cool nicely for a while sealed in a plastic bag, Let's see what hapens in a couple of hours.

The amount of materials used is about 4 gr in total.

I used galena, quartz dust, Rochelle salt only I still have to grind some pyrite to add to the mix.

Ciao

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #362 on: June 12, 2008, 09:30:15 PM »
The voltage dropped to 1.1 V, stable also after short circuiting for some minutes. NO AMPS......
I'll leave it overnight in a sealed bag short circuited and I'll see tomorrow what the outcome will be.

I wonder, if 4 Gr of stuff pushes a good voltage, what would do a kilo of it....

Bye

ian middleton

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #363 on: June 12, 2008, 10:15:08 PM »
G"day all,

@Sutra: Well done, good to see you're still at it. :)
Just be careful when crushing galena, it's dust is highly poisonous.
Can you tell me what type of metal a  50 cent euro coin is made of.

All the best

Ian

sutra

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #364 on: June 13, 2008, 09:33:00 AM »
hi Ian,
here is the composition of the 50 cents:

Cu, 5Zn, 5Al, 1Sn


@all
after 10 hours shortcircuited, the cell outputs 50 mV, rising up fast if left alone.

I'll keep it sealed for some time without load to see if it goes back to the initial output.

bye bye

Koen1

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #365 on: June 13, 2008, 11:57:35 AM »
Ah nice one Sutra. :)

Good to see you're still with us ;)

Now let's hope you can get your cell to pump out some amps too eh? :D

@Ian: that patent you mentioned, I've only scanned through it quickly
but I don't see much more than a description of the ferrox-sulphur compound
with lead mixed in to make a radiation shield... I get the impression the
base compound is only used as a fairly simple yet usefull "ceramic"-like material...
Did I overlook something there?

Oh, I opened up a big D battery or at least tried to, then discovered it was still charged,
got all kinds of sparks and electrolyte spilling all over the place, the battery casing became
extremely hot, had to let go of it and quickly dumped it in a plastic container... :)
Should be ok to continue to dismantle in a day or so.

Kind regards!

sutra

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #366 on: June 13, 2008, 07:39:24 PM »
@all

WOW GUYS.......


after 10 hours free in the bag, the cell now pumps a wooping 77mV slightly rising up of 10mV if the cell get kept in the hands (warmth sensitive even without pyroelectric materials involved)....

AMPS?

don't even ask....

I'm wondering if size DOES MATTER in this case...

Back to the bench grinding some pyrite to add to the mix, and this time, I'll make sure to build a BIG one....

Ciao

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #367 on: June 16, 2008, 10:33:22 PM »
Hello All,

Here is my latest cell.

I Used an AA and a C Battery cells emptied of their snorty filling and replaced with a mix made of pure Quartz dust, Pyrite dust, Galena dust, a small percentage of synthetic ruby dust and around 50% of the whole mix of Rochelle salt: 50% in weight looks to me to be the smallest quantity to obtain a satifying liquid consistancy to the mix while stirring.

As It appears from the various J.H. videos my mix looks considerably darker than his, perhaps I should reduce the quantity of heavy components since I've noted that incresing the quantity of quartz dust, the voltage output of the cell increases.

I let the cell curing for about 2 hours submitted to a 8 VDC electric field (a Nokia battery recharger  ;))....

As you can see in the pic, the cell output was then a massive 2,2 V, left alone sealed in a plastic bag overnight, it now pumps a steady 0,576 V (+/- 1).

As concerning Amps, I discovered that the meter is broken, that's why I couldn't have any current reading from either latest cells...I'll let you know as soon as I get another one...

I'll keep the cell shorted overnight to see results.

Any suggestions are wellcome.

Enjoy the pics.

Ciao

Koen1

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #368 on: June 17, 2008, 12:08:35 PM »
@Sutra: Thanks for posting your pics Sutra! :)

I like your 50cent-cell, it's a nice size and looks quite cool. ;)

As for the colour, that depends quite a bit on the amount of
metal. Indeed, the stuff JH shows in his videos tends to look
much more white-ish than the grey material on your pics.
I myself have also not produced any JH cells with that nice
white colour... Although perhaps I should mention that
I have not seen any clear pictures of what JH's cell material
looks like after solidifying and drying and all... So it could be
that his final material looks just as grey as yours does.
The JH cell(s) I made so far all had this greyish hue, but
I have made test batches of material that did turn out quite white(ish).
I shall attach a pic to this post that shows a small ceramic dish
in which I baked a mix of R.salt, quartz sand, a tiny bt of titanium
dioxide powder, a bit of luminescent powder, and a pinch of
aluminium powder. And waterglass. It was well mixed to a liquid goo
and consisted for the most part of R.salt (70%) and quartz sand (20-25%).
I heated it at 120-130 degrees C for about 30 to 45 minutes, and after that
I was lucky to be able to get the stirring rod out before it hardened completely.
Totally useless chunk of hard material now, no way to get it out without
destroying the ceramic dish... But at least I now know exactly what that mix
composition does. Ok, it reacts very similar to most such mixes, but
I just wanted to show you it is well possible to make a whiteish material
with the R.salt base. ;) (the square metal cell on the left side of that pic
is a totally different mix of mostly metals, oxides, and some binder)

@Ian: lookit, we've got another cell builder! :D
;)
Oh, and here's a picture of the Quirk tube for your entertainment. :)
I took some more but the closeups of the gooey "sweat" did
not come out right so this one will have to do for now.
I put it next to a fesh clean tube so you can see what the Quirk did
to the aluminium. The dark discoloration and the "sweat" on
the outside of the tube are clearly visible, although unfortunately
it is not so clearly visibe that most of it actually did not drip down
from the rim, but actually came through the cylinder wall...
The copper cylinder I rolled of a piece of copper foil can be seen sticking
out the top of the alu tube, and the nice blue line indicates where
the top of the tube used to be before the Quirk started working it up.
I have as of yet not tested the cell for output as a) the stuff is still not
dry ergo yucky goo on the equipment b) idem dito ergo high chance
of galvanics c) aluminium + gallium + moisture = continuous aluminium
oxidation mediated/catalysed by the gallium => alu oxidation does not
stop untill all the aluminium has been converted into alumina => galvanics.
I did tell you about that, did I not? Al-Ga alloy, beside it forming funky
jelly-like material, has this tendency... Basically pure Al just oxidises immediately
on a monoatomic film on its outer surface, and then it stops. Pure Ga does
not oxidise rapidly in air at all, but it is more mobile at lower temperatures,
and it does have an affinity with Al, plus its atoms can creep into the pores of
the Al; what seems to happen is that the alumina is more of an obstacle and
has much less affinity with Ga in its interatomic movement, so the Ga creeps
over it and happens to drag a fresh Al atom along which when exposed to air
oxidises immediately. This way the Aluminiums natural "defence" against corrosion,
its "trick" to only oxidise its outermost monoatomic layer, is circumvented and
100% of the Al can oxidise.
Anyway, this suggests that I can leave the Quirk as is and in a couple of weeks or
months the tube should start falling apart...
One cool trick to be done with Al-Ga alloy: put some Al-Ga pellets in clean water
and watch the hydrogen bubble up! :) Pros: quite a bit of hydrogen fast; Cons:
you'll end up with alumina and Ga, and the only good way to make pure Al is
to perform electrolysis on alumina, which obviously costs more than you can
get out in hydrogen, so it is not as efficient as just performing electrolysis on
water itself to produce hydrogen. So not a winner yet.

Best regards! :D

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #369 on: June 17, 2008, 07:00:46 PM »
@sutra
I don''t think your meter is broken, it just needs a new fuse for the mA section.
This is a common thing, I keep burning mine out too.
Taking milliamp readings is the riskiest thing to do, just go a little over and the fuse blows.
I wish someone could invent a protection circuit for meters when taking mA readings.

Anyway good stuff.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #370 on: June 17, 2008, 07:23:28 PM »
@Koen1
Maybe you should try putting some chromium in there with the Ga Al
and as the Al oxidizes it might produce some ruby.  :)

From your use of silica gel would you say it has any potential for these cells. 
Interesting that silica gel, glass, and quartz are just different forms of oxidized silicon.
I believe it's just heat and pressure that converts the one into the other.
I have a large supply of the silica gel so I can experiment if it shows potential.
They sell silica gel for kitty liter if anyone is interested in it.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #371 on: June 19, 2008, 11:34:21 AM »
@ Koen

Wow man, maybe you should start a blog about new life forms creations....playing God with GEOGOO....lol
Nice pictures collection, I wonder on what are you working right now...

@ Abbarue
Yep, as I opened the tester, the fuse was obviously blown...

@ All OK, now I can tell you some amps readings:

The latest cell I've made swapped several times polarity oscillating from - 0,54..V to + 0,5...V
so I've melted everything again to submit it to higher potential (12VDC) but I've noticed that the mix got more dense 'cause probably I've burned some Rochelle salt in it with the heating, then I added some more Salt (2,6 gr) and the mixture got immediately very liquid.
The mix colour is still the same since the Rochelle salt tends to be quite colourless but now the cell is full till the edge and I now saw something I didn't before: the mix expands sensibly when still liquid and submitted to Voltage while curing and it "freezes" expanded.
I thought that would have been a good sign, but it isn't:
 after curing, the cell was pumping 1,231 V at 0.345 milliAmps....not bad, but dropping at rate of 0,3 V in +/- 1 hour.
After a whole night sealed in bag without load, now the cell output a tiny 0,08V at 9 microAmps....

The button cell version, with the old bad mix, seems to perform better...

At least I now now that Rochelle takes part in the play but too much in the mix, reduces the cell's performances.

I'm wondering what component to increase now and if a curing under very high voltage (20kV DC) could make any difference...
I'll also try to replace the positive electrode in the cell with a copper one.

What do you guys think?

Ciao

Koen1

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #372 on: June 20, 2008, 11:19:40 AM »
@sutra: Lol Geogoo ;D

As to your R.salt cell, I would suggest first trying to repolarise it at higher voltage,
if you really want to add anything I would go for Germanium but if you don't have it
perhaps adding a little bit of carbon powder might be usefull...
You already have a fairly high pyrite and galena content in there, and you could try
to add a little more, but I'm not sure that will help much... But it might.

Also, polarisation of the material may (most likely will) be different if you apply
the voltage directly, compared to for example an electrostatic induction.
(Wrap the tube in a layer of isolator material and wrap a layer of aluminium foil
around that, then apply the polarisation voltage to that outermost layer and it should
electrostatically induce the opposite charge on the tube, without direct current feed
to it.) The material will "feel" electrostatic polarisation, but will not behave like
an electrolyte to transport the current.
So you might try that...?

Just some suggestions. :)

ian middleton

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #373 on: July 13, 2008, 01:06:07 PM »
G'Day all,

I see theres a big hole appeared in this thread.  Time to patch it up I think. :)

Anyway, 2 more cells rolled off the production line this weekend.
The first one was basically a remake of my pyrites cell which is by far my best performer so far, sitting at 1.318V and running a watch.
The only difference in the ingredients is the addition of 10g of rochelle salt and both electrodes are made of aluminium.
Employing the usual method of crushing, mixing, cooking, pouring and cooking some more I landed up with a pretty standard size cell.
After polarizing the cooling mixture to 350V the voltage across the cell rapidly dropped and as expectected went through zero volts and settled at - 0.437V. The reversal of polarity seems to be a common occurance with these things.

This cell which I named Pyrites 3 was put on dead short for 24 hours. Within minutes of removing the short the voltage was back over 0.4V. But as with most of the cells the current is pretty weak. ( at the moment).
From experience I have found that if a cell is going to work, it will gain in strength over time. You cannot judge a cells performance on the first few days results. Also shorting them for long periods tends to beef them up. ;D

Anyway it is back on short circuit and I'll check it again next week.

The second cell was a combination stuff that worked and stuff that didn't.

Here is the formula:

  15g   quartz sand
  15g   silicon carbide
    5g   rochelle salt
    1g   borax
 .01g   graphite
  1 tsp concentrated sodium silicate solution
  0.5g  tourmaline

The whole lot mixed and cooked until the RS and Na2SiO3 melted togther and then poured into an aluminium tube.
The positive electrode was copper. ( not heat treated)

This cell I have called the Borax cell ( Eric didn't seem to fit  ;D )
I did not polarize this one because as soon as it was made the voltage was 1.625 volts , admittedly it was still hot.
However once it had cooled to room temperature it's voltage had dropped to 1.55 V. Not bad I thought, but the datalogger load brings it down to 0.74V.  I'll make no claims on it's stability until it has run in this mode for a week at least.
Nonetheless it's higher than normal open circuit voltage is quite interesting.

Ok , over to you guys, and comments welcome.  ;D

Catch yo later

Ian

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #374 on: July 18, 2008, 05:12:19 AM »
I joined this group because of this one subject building a free energy power cell.

Of course these voltages are not so much an issue with this Power Cell project.
The problem is Current, No Pressure the led will never light up.
In John's videos, I noticed that he used a Large Stainless Steel Container's, thus the bigger, the more conductor of electric power and contact with his formula. As well as nice size middle inner core for the node.
What amazed me was the current and voltage that he used was suspend or frozen in time.

So here we go, my mix an Electrolyte + Metalictic Conductor + Isolator + Polymer That once dries hardens.
I am cooking several different formulas to which I am waiting to cure out....
An Yes, Salt is the Electrolyte, The Metallic Conductor, I am using a various metals...(No Recomendation Now)
The Isolator is the Silica or Sand.
Polymer any that hardens after being heated and electrically charged.

My Search Is For Current:
My record is 5mili Amps and 1/2 Volt DC...
My blunder is that I should of record my mix of 3 weeks ago... A huge mistake....

I think it so cool to be in a group, who is trying to Crack the formula...
John's patent is a secret... It will never be revealed...
I have searched YouTube to see if one has cracked as well as look for other Web Sites on this Subject.

Off The Wall, I know so people who filled patients waiting for 3 Years...
Those who spent more than 8 thousand Dollars...
An one day they got letters, stating that there invention is conflict of US interest and Military apllications.

If any you gain more than 25mili amps of continous DC Current in a Dry Cell Please let me know.
Just Advice == Always document every thing you do, including your mixtures.
Even use a stop watch and record you time as you heat or cook your formula's.  In Every Detail....