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Author Topic: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison  (Read 487266 times)

Offline Koen1

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #150 on: March 20, 2008, 02:41:49 AM »
Hi guys :)

Great report on that gallium coated electrode cell Ian! :D
Thanks!

Too bad it doesn't put out more... but it's outputting, so that's still something! ;)
As for the polarisation reversal, I have also noticed that my mixes tend to reverse
polarity... But I've never seen it change right in front of me though :)
I am now checking if it really makes much of a difference in which direction the
material is polarised; or at least I'm making a couple of new cells which I plan to
polarise oppositely. I have yet to decide on the voltage.

My gallium still has not arrived, thinking of looking for another source. Perhaps
I'll go for the Ga/In/Sn alloy, although that's more expensive...
I've paused my "alternative" cell line with a high metal oxide content mix for
the time being, as the various cells I made with that were not very succesful
(read: duds). I thought I had a few nice ones there... but apparently not.
The lower content mixes appear to test similar to the older cells I made,
with hardly any additives, and it may be worth looking into those...
... I was thinking along the lines of using small amounts to 'pollute'
one of my basic mixes, then "bake" several layers with different selected
'pollutants' on top of eachother (one on top of the other) so that they
form relatively "p" and "n" layers.... This will be tricky (if not downright
impossible) in a tube, so I'm going to hunt for some low metal saucers or plates.
Although I still have to figure out how to get the second electrode "baked"
to the top layer while still allowing the moisure to escape from the bake...
Oh well, things to ponder. :)



Quote from: ian middleton
A bit dissapointing seeing I was hoping the gallium would open a quantum flux gate and release mega fryons tuned to the galactic center. Ah well, next week perhaps  ;)
ROFL! ;D :D ;D :D  megafryons ;D

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I must admit though the gallium coated aluminium tube did look pretty swish, I just might just chuck all this in and go and make artistic wind chimes for those guys in Byron bay. ;D ;D ;D
:D heh, yeah, pretty expensive little windchimes though ;)
I was wondering, how hot does it get over there, at your place?
... 'cause if Ga melts at 30 degrees...
"mommy, the windchimes are melting!" ;) ;D

best regards,
Koen

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #151 on: March 21, 2008, 04:14:22 PM »
Hi guys,

What is your average calls - materials conductivity?

In all my  borax based cells, made in high temperatures, their conducibility increases  while submitted to vibrations....

the voltage output is always very low....30 mV max but stable....porosity is a problem....

Here is the picture of only the content of my last cell...I grinded the side to see the grade of the compound....as you can see it has a very nice metallic luster...


The recipe is as follows:
 
2gr sand
2.9gr borax
1 gr Hematite
2.5gr aluminium dust

baket around 1000° C

output: 30 mV

Ciao
« Last Edit: March 21, 2008, 05:05:00 PM by sutra »

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #152 on: March 21, 2008, 06:22:17 PM »
I think that's pretty amazing

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #153 on: March 21, 2008, 07:00:09 PM »
output: 30 mV

Ciao
Sutra,

Does it produce any amps?

jeanna

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #154 on: March 21, 2008, 11:19:13 PM »
Hi Jeanna,

On some points at surface, the output is over 140 mV,  in any case, the amperage doesn't pass 0,5 micro A

The polarity is variable: on some points of the compounds positive is negative or vice-versa....poor alignment?

Resistivity from more than 1 Mohm to about 7 Kohm adding pressure to the compound or tapping it with something


Pity, if I could eliminate porosity, the results may be more interesting...


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #155 on: March 21, 2008, 11:55:44 PM »
I think this area of technology is highly promising, but the materials fabrication process will be very important.

What you want is to get induction of quantum phenomenon. . .  sorry I cannot be of more help at the moment. Perhaps try higher frequency curing?  (ultraviolet, gamma, x-ray).  Hutchinson on the video appeared to use high voltage to activate his cells.

(http://www.yorku.ca/eye/spectrum.gif)

Offline Koen1

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #156 on: March 22, 2008, 03:42:22 PM »
@Sutra: nice post! Thanks :)

The polarity is variable: on some points of the compounds positive is negative or vice-versa....poor alignment?
Yes, could be, or it could be localised zones with very localised polarisation of their own, I have
seen this in a few test bakes too. It was quite confusing for a little while, but that seems to be the
explanation: very locally, small "clusters" of the ingredient materials bind together to result in
a localised polarity that is not aligned with the main or indended polarity.
I have noticed this appears to happen more in mixes with a relatively high pure metal content.
Or at least, in my experiments it does. ;)

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Resistivity from more than 1 Mohm to about 7 Kohm adding pressure to the compound or tapping it with something
Sorry, so you mean that the effective resistance rises when you add pressure? Piezoelectric resistor?
Now that is interesting :) Not really the intended effect, but clearly some type of piezo-effect. Cool.

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Pity, if I could eliminate porosity, the results may be more interesting...
Yes, porosity may hinder effects. So eliminating it should increase any effect.
The material you describe has a relatively high aluminium content, and of course
pure Al will oxidise, and alumina (Al2O3) is known for its tendency to form porous
materials, as is the alumina-silicon ceramic. If you could eliminate or decrease the
oxidation of the aluminium powder, you might be able to significantly limit the formation
of pores and alumoina itself. Aluminosilicates (Al:Si approx 1:1) on the other hand is a geopolymer
binding agent and can form relatively solid blocks with relatively low pore content,
which is structurally very tough. You may want to look into that, or similar geoplymer binders?
Also, adding "filler" of very small particle size may work, if the particles can "get into"
the pores somehow during the manufacture process but before actual solidification...

Your block there looks very similar to some of the test materials I have made,
also a porous rock with very low voltage and (near) to zero amps.
The effect of voltage temporarily rising or dropping when the materials are
shocked or pressed on, that I have also seen. But I tend to ignore it for
the most part, as it is not at all the effect I am looking for.

Thans again, good luck with your experiments! :)


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #157 on: March 27, 2008, 05:08:00 AM »
Hello friends

I spoke to John Hutchison tonight on Paranormal Radio.  I asked questions about the crystal power cell.  Here is what I've learned:

-Is silicon dioxide a necessary ingredient (quartz)?
"I wouldn't focus on that, no...." -John

-Activation...What sort of voltage and nature are we talking?  Do we activate with high voltage pulsed DC?
"HV pulsed DC , salts, stable, act as a buffer between metallic plates very close together covered with epsom or                other salts that are piezoelectric in nature." -John

-What sort of resistance do you see in your cells?  (we are seeing internal resistance of 10 Megohm in ours).
"not right" -John

-John, here is a list of ingredients to one of Ian's replications.  Can you provide some hints, are we on track or off-track etc :

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-- ian middleton --
31.3gm         fine grain sand
15.5gm         fine iron pyrites dust
1.5gm           borax
2.0 gm          calcium carbonate
2.1gm           sodium carbonate
2.1gm           crushed  tourmaline

"Noooooo... all that stuff is working against each other.  You  want    #
   germanium, galina, iron pyrite, rochelle salt, fine sand." -John

Later in the program.... he mentioned:
"rochelle cells: germanium, galina, pyrites
cost wise: very cheap. " -John

"iron pyrite from japan is best.  old germanium diodes from military surplus euqip had excess energy to them.  the germanium diodes would put out energy. that's how i got the idea." -John

I also asked about activation later in the program... this time John said you want
"12-20kV, continous (DC) , very clean signal.  If you start getting melting or exploding cell etc something is wrong."-John

And lastly, the best cell John has made put out 3V at approx 3A. We all owe John our gratitude for helping the open-source community.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2008, 06:13:01 AM by Feynman »

Offline Nihilanth

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #158 on: March 27, 2008, 05:28:19 AM »
Yay. Info out of Hutchison other than "Hi please join www.hutchisoneffectonline.com nice to meet you." :o

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #159 on: March 27, 2008, 05:28:30 AM »
Rochelle salt
Potassium sodium tartrate

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/K-Na-L-%28%2B%29-tartrate.png/200px-K-Na-L-%28%2B%29-tartrate.png)

It is a colorless to blue-white salt crystallizing in the orthorhombic system. Its molecular formula is KNaC4H4O6?4H2O. It is slightly soluble in alcohol but more completely soluble in water. It has a specific gravity of about 1.79, a melting point of approximately 75 ?C, and has a saline, cooling taste. As a food additive, its E number is E337.

It has been used medicinally as a purgative but in more recent years its piezoelectric properties have been more important and it has found usage in phonograph pickups and other sensing devices.

Rochelle salt (potassium sodium tartrate, NaKC4H4O6) can easily be prepared from potassium bitartrate (KHC4H4O6) and sodium carbonate (Na2CO3). First heat a potassium bitartrate solution. Add sodium carbonate to the still hot solution. Add sodium carbonate until no more reacts (Effervescence will occur). Filter the solution while hot and then heat to evaporate the water. After continued heating potassium sodium tartrate will precipitate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochelle_salt



Germanium:
Look it up you lazy!!!




Galena
Lead sulfide (PbS)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/GalenaKansas.jpg/150px-GalenaKansas.jpg)

Galena is the natural mineral form of lead sulfide. It is the most important lead ore mineral.

Galena is one of the most abundant and widely distributed sulfide minerals. It crystallizes in the cubic crystal system often showing octahedral forms. It is often associated with the minerals sphalerite, calcite and fluorite.

Galena is a semiconductor with a small bandgap of about 0.4 eV which found use in early wireless communication systems. For example, it was used as the crystal in crystal radio sets, in which it was used as a point-contact diode to detect the radio signals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galena


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #160 on: March 27, 2008, 07:08:26 AM »
@ Feynman:

Great work!  I am sure you just saved a bunch of people a lot of time with experiments here.  Excellent job.

Bill

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #161 on: March 27, 2008, 07:38:59 AM »
Awsome stuff:

We should all have a working Crystal battery soon.  This is one of the most exiting times I have seen on this forum.
I was listening when John mentioned the ingredients too.
@Feynman:
I am really glad you got through on the phone, you asked just the right questions.
I got home late so I only caught the last 30 min. of the show but that was all I needed to get the ingredients.

I always suspected that Rochelle salt was one of them. Now I heard fine powdered germanium not germanium salt.
Anyway now to find a source for the ingredients, anyone know of a Canadian source,
don't know how the border will react to importing chemical compounds.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2008, 08:41:38 AM by AbbaRue »

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #162 on: March 27, 2008, 08:01:41 AM »
G'day all,

@Feynman:  Well done, thank you for your efforts. I think all in this group will appreciate the information you have come up with. There was one ingredient that John mentioned that I haven't used yet although I have tons of the stuff in the cupboard. Epsom salts. I don't think it will be as good as rochelle salt but that one bit of info has now made things a lot clearer. Thanks.
The high KV may cause a problem, the highest I can go is about 6 KV so I'd better start hunting around.
 Ok then, it's back to the lab, I can see this is going to be one long night.  ;D ;D

Ps  did you manage to record the show?

Catch you later.

Ian.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #163 on: March 27, 2008, 08:12:58 AM »
For a HV DC source an old computer monitor will work great, just feed the output into a Lyden jar cap. to get clean DC.
Just visit JLN Labs and look up lifter power supplies.
I tried making Rochelle Salt from cream of tarter once, the problem is the stuff they sell as cream of tarter isn't the real stuff anymore.
So you may have a problem getting true cream of tarter.   It would be much better to get some pure Rochelle Salt.
Some drugstores may sell it I don't know. But if someone finds a good source we can all profit from it.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #164 on: March 27, 2008, 11:37:47 AM »
Hi guys...

Great news....wow!

Shall we just starting pounding some diodes? (hunting for Germanium and Silicium) LOL
Ciao