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Author Topic: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison  (Read 487414 times)

Offline Koen1

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #120 on: March 12, 2008, 12:21:42 PM »
Hi everyone :)

Ian, I agree with your reasoning that the use of sulphur would minimise
any chance of galvanic reaction.
The 10Mohm is not really very surprising, I have measured resistance in
some of my cells around the 10Mohm as well.
The thing is that the resistance is not very straightforward in the type
of material we want to make; we are aiming for a material that somehow
"pumps" electrons through itself, from one electrode to the other.
That would seem to imply a high resistance in one direction, and
a low resistance in the other direction, which gives rise to a bias in
charge accumulation.
And that appears to mean that we should be able to measure a significantly
lower resistance in that opposite direction....
But I haven't been able to measure any clear differences in resistance when I
reverse my multimeter probes for example, so I am not sure what is going on.
It may be that this bias is very localised and temporary withing the material
matrix, and therefore not "visible" to the meter probes that "only" measure
the electrode potentials and the relative current flow obstruction between the
two, which is of course different on that macroscale than it may be on the
microscale of the material martix.

As for my recent attempts;
I have made a couple of cells with various ingredients, which have been exposed to
a low voltage DC (9V) during cooling and solidification.
The substance mix I used had a homemade sodium silicate base, which was made
by boiling fine white quartz sand with water at a heat between 120 and 180 degrees C,
then adding NaOH, and allowing those compounds to react with eachother.
If you have used the exact correct amounts the mix should form sodium silicate
with water, and if you used too little NaOH it will form sodium silicate with silicic acid
which when it cools turns into sodium silicate with water and sand.
Well, I used that sodium silicate, and added some more sand to get a mix
of 60 to 65% sodium silicate and 35 to 40% sand. Added a little bit of water
to ease stirring of the mix while heating it to around 100 degrees.
I added two different combinations of ingredients:
1) a mix of titanium dioxide, ferrous oxide, cobalt oxide, pure aluminium powder,
pure copper powder and kaolin in proportions 2:2:2:1:1:2
2) a mix of chromium oxide, manganese oxide, and the above, in proportions
3:3:2:2:2:1:1:2
I made two cells of each, one cell connected to a 9V battery to attempt to
achieve some polarisation, and one not connected at all to see what it does
naturally.
The ratios of metal compounds vs silicates was about 1:15 in all cells.
Results: nada.
One of the cells with the #1 mix additive shows a voltage of 1,5V, but
at an amperage of only 0,01 mA and that's not even stable (drops to zero
now and then, then comes back to 0,01mA, sometimes briefly 0,02mA).
The other #1 cell, the one which had been connected to the 9V feed, showed
a voltage of 1,8V at first measurement, but this dropped to near zero quickly.
It has not risen above 0,1V after that. Zero amperage readings on that one.
The other two cells are not entirely dry yet, but one of them seems to have
reacted slightly differently and the resulting material is probably too porous
to be of much use. Too porous and it retains relatively much water, plus
there's lots of dielectric air in there which doesn't really help...
The other one looks better, but still needs to settle some more.

So far not much luck in this approach, but I still need to try high voltages
for polarisation purposes. Am still looking for a good adjustable hV power
source, and in the mean time I'm using batteries and planning to use
a simple hV pulse generator.

The use of the named metal oxides does have one cool effect:
the cell materials now look really funky ;D
The #1 mix looks very dark grey with a blue hue and a metallic luster. :)
The #2 mix looks dark to "army" greenish light grey.
I imagine if I add a lot more manganese it may turn bright purple ;)
But I wasn't really going for cool coloured ceramics, although it is a nice
bonus :)

Regards,
Koen

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #121 on: March 12, 2008, 10:33:53 PM »
Great work Ian, we are on the path to success

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #122 on: March 13, 2008, 11:04:26 PM »
Hi all,
I had the thought this morning.

Amber

You could grind amber into your mix or,

Maybe the fossilized form doesn't matter, since it isn't really a fossil. I mean it didn't get filled and replaced by local minerals, it just got old and hard.

Pine sap is what amber was.

So, I was thinking about heating or some other way of driving all the water out of pine sap - like alcohol etc. Then treat it to the HV or whatever is going on in the lab to give it some HV.

 ;)
Fron left field then,

jeanna


Offline Koen1

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #123 on: March 15, 2008, 02:39:16 AM »
Amber?
Well, I suppose you could make a nice electret out of amber...
...but a cell that gives amps? without having to heat it? Idunno...  :-\

Anyway, I seem to recall that the "Amber Room" was made from
panels of jewelry-grade amber that were created by pouring and
heating/baking amber resin (freshly squeezed from trees, yes ;)).
For the amber room I believe it was mixed with honey and gold
before 'baking', but I'm not sure.
Point it mainly that I think you can indeed make amber from
fresh resin. I just don't know what the exact procedure is,
or how hot and under what pressure etc the stuff should be baked.
 ;)

Offline jeanna

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #124 on: March 15, 2008, 04:54:27 AM »
Of course,
I don't know how hot or how long either. Probably enough to get the water out of it.

John puts a probe up against the sides of a crystal in one of his e-rocks and gets a voltage.

 From the beginning I have thought of an e-rock as non homogeneous material. Yesterday I realized I had never expressed this and that all the experimenters here are grinding things and making homogeneous powders.

I think of trails or lines going back and forth of different potential materials. an electret of one type adjacent to an electret of a different type that would hopefully build more and more as the path wanders from one side of the rock to the other. I guess I think of it like the folded layers of a capacitor.

 Amber or sap being sticky could be a substrate onto which another material that would exhibit a voltage/amperage simply by its placement. It is how I have envisioned the crystal cells at their best ( ;)) potential.

I say sap because amber will dissolve if put into alcohol as sap or resin will. I just think sap is a good enough start point because I think it is about the water, but that may be wrong. But real amber probably should be tried.

jeanna

(I'll go back to my coil guns now.  ;D ;D )


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #125 on: March 15, 2008, 07:53:29 AM »
@ Jeanna:

If you "cook" tree sap you may end up with maple syrup.  (sorry, small joke here)  What about tourmaline?  I used to be a geology major a long time ago and I remember that tourmaline gives off an electrical charge when heated or cooled.  Very similar to pizo material which might be another option.

Bill

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #126 on: March 15, 2008, 10:54:26 AM »
G'day all,

@Bill:    Looks like we are building quite a team here, now we have a geologist.  ;D

Tourmaline is used in most of my mixes these days, I just haven't worked out the correct ratio yet. It will come. :)
I have some large tourmaline crystals which you can measure the voltage on them, but I'm not sure whether they retain any potential when they are ground to dust, the individual particles that is.

Anyway heres an update on the mix made on 2nd March. The ingredients were posted on the 4th March.
 I call this one the Pyrites cell.
The initial open circuit voltage was 1.3V. Placing a 330Kohm resister across the cell started to reduce the voltage.
To speed things up a bit I hooked the cell up to my data logger and changed the load resistor to 10Kohms.
For the last 9 days the voltage across the cell has remained stable at 0.8 V with a load current of 80uA.
I will leave it in this configuration for at least another week.

The sulphur cell continued to give 200mV open circuit so 3 days ago I strapped it across a 22 Farad supercap. The cap was fully discharged before I started.
Today the voltage across the cap is 68.3 mV.  Again I'll leave this in place for another few days.

Next on the to do list is to increase the surface area of the anode WRT  the cathode.  Also I'll try a cell with Bentonite as the main ingredient. Thanks jeanna  ;D

@Koen: I cannot find a supplier for TiO2 in Australia so we'll have to rely on you for your test results .

That's about it for now.

All the best

Ian

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #127 on: March 15, 2008, 06:19:00 PM »
@ Ian:

I just want to correct the record here, I am not a geologist, I was a geology major in college for two years before switching majors.  I just don't want anyone to think I am more than I am.

Has anyone attempted to call Hutchison?  Not that he will tell us anything but he seems like a decent guy.  He may at least give a clue as to what materials are involved without giving away his formula.  Just a thought.

Bill

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #128 on: March 15, 2008, 07:29:57 PM »
G'day all,

@Bill:   "A major in geology"  thats close enough for us. ;D Thanks for the clarification though.
 
I have tried to contact JH some time ago but no luck. Perhaps we should invite him to join the forum, that would be interesting.
Most of the info we have came from his videos.


Ian

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #129 on: March 16, 2008, 12:59:46 AM »
JH appears to have enough surplus high voltage equipment in his apartment to keep him occupied for the next decade or so.   ;)   But I think if we could contact him, he would have no problem helping the open source community.  ;D ;D

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #130 on: March 16, 2008, 03:29:14 PM »
I have been in contact with Hutchison.

But he is very reluctant to give any more information, acts very secretive.
I have asked him for advice or tips on increasing the amperage in my
experimental cells, and have asked him for one of his old cells for measurement
purposes.
As soon as it involves Hutchison having to give any information then it seems
he stops communicating. He will listen to your info, but will not really give any.

When I donated some $ to his cause via paypal, he was able to contact me and say
thanks within a day.

Now I gave him almost two weeks to reply to a few simple questions, but no reply.

After asking if he ever received my mail, I finally got a reply a couple of days later,
saying that the government id trying to dismantle his lab, and he's too busy with that
at the moment to do anything else, and if I can help him in any way then please do.

So I am not sure what is going on, because this all seems to be very similar to
the replies I got from him a few years ago.
It seems Hutchison is just not prepared to share his info with cell builders....
 :-[

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #131 on: March 16, 2008, 04:03:01 PM »
@ Koen1:

That is very interesting information.  I am not sure what to make of it but no matter if he is lying or telling the truth, it sounds like no information will be supplied by him either way.  Great effort on your part though.

Bill

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #132 on: March 16, 2008, 04:37:49 PM »
I am certain Hutchinson is 'real', I think it points more to the fact that he has been harassed so much (his entire lab was confiscated when he tried to move to Germany) and now it sounds like he is dealing with that crap again...

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #133 on: March 16, 2008, 05:41:15 PM »
He has never returned any of my emails.

Offline Koen1

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #134 on: March 16, 2008, 05:45:40 PM »
Well as far as I know the local government has been nagging Hutchison
about his collection of high energy apparatus in his little appartment,
in the middle of a residential area, for years now.
I think his getting his entire x-tonne lab confiscated by the govt
while H himself was in Germany is of a slightly different nature than this.
This is about him having all this high voltage and high energy radar
and what not equipment in an appartment that is surrounded on all
sides by people living in their own appartments.

If I woul have a guy living under my appartment and I know this guy
is constantly firing up megavoltage electrostatic generators and
slinding through the radar frequencies on several old radar machines,
while intentionally crossing these fields with all kinds of funky high energy
scalar and other experiments,
then I would definately complain as well.
No problem at all with a guy experimenting with that stuff, as long as he
does not do it in my living area, but in his own work space and I do not
get exposed to his weird fields and radiation.
I do the same: I do not go and cook my mixes of various metallic oxides,
various acids, and other stuff, in the hallway of my appartment complex,
where other people can breathe in the vapours and might get really sick
if they breathed the wrong stuff without a mask on,
no, instead I work in my workshop where no other people are around
to breathe in the vapours, I use masks myself, and when working with
really nasty stuff I use an air filter to keep the crap from getting into the air.

But Hutchison just crams his appartment with all kinds of freaky high energy
devices from army dump stores etc, and then is apparently astonished
when people complain to the government and they try to get his machines
removed in view of the public safety.

I am not entirely sure if that qualifies as harassment by the government.
Perhaps this is an a significant way also due to Hutchisons stubborn
attitude...

So yeah, I do think H may indeed have real problems on his end,
and that may well play along in him not wanting to answer questions,
but I also think that his problems are at least partly due to his own
behaviour, and I still find it remarkable that his extreme reluctance
to provide any information just happens to pop up after I asked him
about info on his cells, and even more remarkable that this is amost
exactly the same reaction as I got years ago when I asked the same
question.