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Author Topic: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison  (Read 487408 times)

Offline Koen1

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #105 on: February 28, 2008, 11:49:38 AM »
@Bill: Thanks for that ball-milling info. :)
I've done some searching but the cheapest ball mill I can find at a
second hand lab equipment shop still costs about 2000 Euros...
And that's without alumina balls.
That's quite a price for smashing some rocks, although of course it does
produce a more even and finer powder than the hammer and mortar
method...
The T-shirt approach is one I have tried, but in my experience I end
up with a totally ripped up T-shirt, rocks that are somewhat smaller and
some gravel and powder, but mostly still too large chunks of rock.
And because the shirt rips open I lose quite a lot of the finer dust
which very helpfully spreads itself over everything in a couple of meter
radius. I have tried other cloth types as well, and I have even packed
the rocks in a double cloth layer and then in a good layer of old magazines
to keep all the dust in. No such luck, the stuff keeps ripping.
Perhaps some of my harder rocks are simply too hard for this method?
Or maybe I need Kevlar T-shirts? ;)
I am going to try the hammer approach again, but this time with
metal plates sandwiching the rocks, and the lot wrapped in cloth;
with a little luck the metal will keep the cloth from ripping.

@Ian: Lol yeah, you did say 34C. Easily spotted that that could not be right. ;)
But still, thanks for pointing it out. Similarly, I think I told you Cobalt blue powder
is CoCl4? Well, obviously it is not, it is in fact CoAl2O4, Cobalt aluminate.
Don't know where I got the Cl from... then again, it was very late when I told you ;)

@Nihilanth: ah, the Schuman resonance, a golden oldie :) Yeah, why not? It's worth a try.
And pulsing magnetic and/or electric fields through the material as it is solidifying may
indeed have interesting effects. I'd say go for it! The more things we try, the greater chances
of stubling onto the ultimate cell. ;D

@Sutra: You said you're planning to use Hematite? If you're only using it because it
is an iron compound and may react to the magnetic field, then you might want to try
other iron oxides as well..? Quick review of what springs to mind: Hematite is the red variety
of iron oxide, Fe2O3. Other iron oxides are: grey/black iron oxide, "Wustite", FeO, and
Magnetite aka Lodestone, Fe3O4. All of them react to magnetic fields, as iron is the main
component and is ferromagnetic (duh!).
Just an idea. ;)

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #106 on: February 28, 2008, 03:47:09 PM »
@ Koen1

Trying to crush quartz with steel is like trying to comb a porcupine....quartz WILL eat your bearings in no-time... :P you'll need CARBORUNDUM grit or somethink of much highier hardness that you'll have to separate at the end of the treatment...

 To crumble rocks, try heat' em nicely hot and drop'em in cold water....if they eill not burst in to shreds, at least will be damaged and crack enough to be easily crushed.

The choice of hematite is simply 'cause I had to cut some hematite gems lately and I' didn't clean yet the instruments...so I'm left with a nice quantity of fine hematite scrap dust.... ;D (I'm an unbelivably lazy man  ::)......  ;)) moreover, the hematite is paramagnetic only if heated over a certain temperature, I'm not interested in  keeping the magnetisation after full crystalline formation: I just want carbon platlets aligned.

ciao

Offline Koen1

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #107 on: February 29, 2008, 05:14:51 PM »
Lol! ;D

well at least you're honest ;)

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #108 on: March 02, 2008, 09:43:26 PM »
Hi all
I've experimented the following compound:

40% borax
30% trated sea sand (only HCl cleaned not crushed)
20% powdered graphite
10% Hematite dust

baked to cherry-red hot and swept through the centre of a powerful toroid magnet.

The amount of borax is not sufficient to bond compound together.

I've obtained only several little beads stuck to the iron base (bottle cork) big as much as the double of a needle tip. these beads gave 0.5 mV each before coming off the cork... I dont' know if to consider a good sign or not...I'll have to increase the amount of borax to achieve an hard glassy cell...

Second attempt, this time, as follows:

3 gr. sea sand
1 gr. white sugar (it is piezoelectric and melts at low T.)
0.5 gr graphite
0.2 gr Hematite

Mixed everyting, rod of copper inserted in the mix and melted in a aluminum foil cup, soldification in strong magnetic field.

The sugar made a very nice "sweet" the reading in 0.1 mV....nothing....the crystal is not conductive. I want to try increasing the components ratio compared to the sugar (expecially graphite and sand).

I've tried also to pass the pulse of a disposable camera flash unit several times during solidification....no change.

I wander if the sand I'm using is enough rich in quartz.

That's the actual status of my experiments so far... any comment?  ::)

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #109 on: March 03, 2008, 12:04:06 AM »
@sutra,
I am curious, How do you measure the voltage? Is the metal base of the cork on one side?

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've obtained only several little beads stuck to the iron base (bottle cork) big as much as the double of a needle tip. these beads gave 0.5 mV each before coming off the cork.

What if you made a flat plate of this material then cut it up into layers? Would you get a series effect?

jeanna

Offline sutra

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #110 on: March 03, 2008, 02:51:55 PM »
Dear Jenna

several small beads were attached to the metal cork (the lid of any glass beer bottle) to measure the voltage, I just connected an electrode to the cork and the other one on the little bead....till these were adhering on the metal...

Before slicing the material I'll have to obtain a congruous and solid compound able to withstand the sawing....
...the amount of carbon in the borax mix i far too high, I think. The molten borax must be enough to inglobe the whole mixture forming a glassy compound just lika what I've obtained with the sugar....I'll have to see further what mix will work.

The sugar option is also tickling my immagination.... ;) what do you think?

Ciao ciao and thanks :D

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #111 on: March 03, 2008, 07:51:22 PM »
metal cork (the lid of any glass beer bottle)
Interesting. I think in the states a beer top has something that resembles sodium silicate in the place of cork. It might be a good substrate for someone here. (If it isn't the beer top I am sure the SoBe juice bottles use something like this)

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Before slicing the material I'll have to obtain a congruous and solid compound able to withstand the sawing....
What I had in my mind was that you could make pancakes in discrete sizes and then a sort of voltaic pile by stacking layers of them. It may be too runny to work like that. It was what I wanted to do with the one I tried but it crumbled with only a little pressure from the probes.

sugar a sweet idea, but what about the ants?
Between you and Ian with his aspirin...
 ;D

keep up the good work,
jeanna

Offline ian middleton

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #112 on: March 04, 2008, 11:10:38 PM »
G'Day all,

Heres a quick reveiw of a mix I made on the 2nd march.

31.3gm         fine grain sand
15.5gm         fine iron pyrites dust
1.5gm           borax
2.0 gm          calcium carbonate
2.1gm           sodium carbonate
2.1gm           crushed  tourmaline

to all of this 15ml of concentrated sodium silicate was added and cooked.
A polarizing  voltage of 12 volts was applied for just over 3 hours while the mix was cooling.

A 330kohm resistor was place across the cell and the initial cell voltage was 1.337V

After 24 hours the voltage was 1.336V
The resistor was changed to 100kohm to draw more current.   1.317Volts @ 12.5 uA

I will leave this resistor in place until the cell voltage stablizes or reduces to zero. There is still a galvanic reaction going on until
the cell fully crystalizes. This may take a week or two.

I'll keep you posted.

Anyway my Gallium arrived yesterday. I bought 50gm but actually recieved 60gm.
Warning!   The Gallium melts in your hand just like a good lump of gallium should do. So I put it into a glass specimen bottle and waited for it to freeze. It didn't. So I put it in the fridge for 30 mins. Still didn't solidify.

So I put the bottle in the freezer for 30 mins. DONT.  The gallium solidified, expanded ( I should have known better)  and shattered the bottle. A nice little mess.

Soooooooo!  Koen lets see what mischief you can get up to with yours  ;D

@jeanna   I've actually been using the aspirin for the correct reasons this time  ;D

Catch you later

Ian

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #113 on: March 05, 2008, 02:25:17 PM »
@ Ian,

pretty cool result, dude!

@ All:

I've repeated the experiment of the cork with a much highier quantity of borax, highier temperature (melting point of borax)  and no graphite at all: in this the fire helped me with a couple of nice chunks of charred coals (unwanted) and ash embedded in the cell...

The cell was ready in about 10 minutes...

Results?....

Yeah, 50 mV sandwiched between the metal cork and one chunk of charred coal...the quantity of materials used are really small... :D the voltage results to be very unstable....dropping fast,  but rising up very fast as the tester electrodes are removed...
Solidification occurred in strong magnetic field, only.

Next test will be done with a pencil graphite core as electrode, adding some wood ashes to the initial mix, hematite, the usual cork (It would be better something deeper as the borax tend to expand too much during first contact with heat...) and a better stirring... ::)

I'll keep you posted...

Ciao  ;D
« Last Edit: March 05, 2008, 05:55:24 PM by sutra »

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #114 on: March 07, 2008, 01:49:14 PM »
G'day all,

Today I thought I would try something different. Instead of using water as the fluid in the mix I used molten sulphur.

I won't go into the specific ingedients in this mix, suffice to say there was enough sulphur to soak them all in.
The sodium silicate I did use was anhydrate.

Once the mix was molten ( around 140C ) it was poured into an aluminium tube, a copper electrode stuffed down the middle and 2KV
applied across the cell. That was fine.

However a spark of any description has the ability to ignite molten sulphur, and it did !
So now my kitchen smells like the gates of hell to wit a friend of mind commented that I should get used to it. ;D

Anyway once the flames were out I put the cell in a plastic container of sand, one to support it and two to slow the cooling process.
The cell was polarized for 20 minutes with 2KV.
After 20 mins I disconnected the HV and discovered another interesting fact.

Dry sand in an insulated container makes a very good capacitor, good enough to hold 2KV. Pulling the cell out of the sand was a shocking experience.  ;D

Anyway the cell is a good capacitor and will hold a charge but does not operate as a current source.

So although this was a spectacular failure it was also another step on the path to success  :)

I seem to remember something about clay pots and sand as a power source, can anyone please jog my memory.

catch you later

Ian

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #115 on: March 07, 2008, 04:36:01 PM »
G'day all,

Today I thought I would try something different. Instead of using water as the fluid in the mix I used molten sulphur.
O-oh... I feel something coming... ;)

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I won't go into the specific ingedients in this mix, suffice to say there was enough sulphur to soak them all in.
The sodium silicate I did use was anhydrate.

Once the mix was molten ( around 140C ) it was poured into an aluminium tube, a copper electrode stuffed down the middle and 2KV
applied across the cell. That was fine.

However a spark of any description has the ability to ignite molten sulphur, and it did !
Lol I just knew it! ;D
Nothing nasty happened to you, I hope??

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So now my kitchen smells like the gates of hell to wit a friend of mind commented that I should get used to it. ;D
Rofl funny friends you have :)

One of my friends, when we talk about my cell experiments and related chemical tinkering, often asks me
"so, have you been visited by any demons lately?"
which is really funny if you know what he's talking about:
Back in medieval times, alchemists would regularly be found dead in their workshops. Their doors locked,
no footsteps around, yet the alchemist would be found very lifeless behind their alchemical and occult
tools, and in almost all cases a horrible stench of sulphur would be smelled.
Of course, it was very clear to everyone what had killed the alchemist: it must have been demons, summoned
by the alchemist and his unholy occult magical arts. After all, everyone could smell the foul stench of
sulphur, ammonia, or whatever nasty chemical, and in those times that was immediately associated with demons.
lol.
So, Ian, your first demon visit. ;D

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Anyway once the flames were out I put the cell in a plastic container of sand, one to support it and two to slow the cooling process.
The cell was polarized for 20 minutes with 2KV.
After 20 mins I disconnected the HV and discovered another interesting fact.

Dry sand in an insulated container makes a very good capacitor, good enough to hold 2KV. Pulling the cell out of the sand was a shocking experience.  ;D

Anyway the cell is a good capacitor and will hold a charge but does not operate as a current source.
Hmm too bad... Then again, sulphur was used as isolator in the olden days, so not terribly surprising...


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So although this was a spectacular failure it was also another step on the path to success  :)
That's the spirit! :)

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I seem to remember something about clay pots and sand as a power source, can anyone please jog my memory.
Well nothing springs to mind... I'd like to hear about that...

kind regards,
Koen

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #116 on: March 09, 2008, 04:14:40 AM »
http://tvufo.tripod.com/id10.html

10. MANUFACTURED METALS MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD
For the past three decades miners at the Wonderstone Silver Mine near Ottosdal in the Western Transvaal, South Africa, have been extracting out of deep rock several strange metallic spheroids. So far at least 200 have been found. In 1979, several were closely examined by J.R. McIver, professor of geology at the University of Witwaterstand in Johannesburg, and geologist professor Andries Bisschoff of Potsshefstroom University.
The metallic spheroids look like flattened globes, averaging 1 to 4 inches in diameter, and their exteriors usually are colored steel blue with a reddish reflection, and embedded in the metal are tiny flecks of white fibers. They are made of a nickel-steel alloy which does not occur naturally, and is of a composition that rules them out, being of meteoric origin. Some have only a thin shell about a quarter of an inch thick, and when broken open are found filled with a strange spongy material that disintegrated into dust on contact with the air.
What makes all this very remarkable is that the spheroids were mined out of a layer of pyrophyllite rock, dated both geologically and by the various radio-isotope dating techniques as being at least 2.8 to 3 billion years old.
Adding mystery to mystery, Roelf Marx, curator of the South African Klerksdorp Museum, has discovered that the spheroid he has on exhibit slowly rotates on its axis by its own power, while locked in its display case and free of outside vibrations. There may thus be an energy extant within these spheroids still operating after three eons of time.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #117 on: March 11, 2008, 11:17:37 AM »
G'day all,

@dcarlson:  Thanks for the info. I'm sure theres more to it, somewhere.

@ Koen:  Mate, lost the contents of my inbox, can you please resend.  ;D


Now about that sulphur cell.  It regenerates a voltage (200mV or so), bugger all current, after repeated shortings. One thing I do know for sure, this baby is not galvanic.
I'm going to make another one. I know..shock horror and all that, but someone has to do it  ;D ;D

Oh I haven't told you about the kitty litter yet  ;D
 
Jurys out on the magnetic polarization at the moment.

more soon

Ian

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #118 on: March 11, 2008, 10:59:44 PM »
Hi guys,

look what I've found here...

http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/cmatex/2004/16/i25/abs/cm048804r.html

@ Ian
if you want to insert sulphur into the mix...why don't you try to use sodium dithionate? It should be easier....

Ciao


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #119 on: March 11, 2008, 11:58:58 PM »
G'day all,

@Sutra:  Very interesting link, we may be producing something similar in our mixes without knowing it.

The reason for using elemental sulphur ( instead of any of it's compounds ), was to create , as best as possible, a water free mix. The only water available was  the 5(H2O ) in the sodium silicate. Not enough to create an alkaline electrolyte between the copper and aluminium electrodes after baking.

This was a test cell to investigate how a recrystallized sulphur matrix reacted with our usual mix ingredients. Not unexpectedly the internal resistance of the cell is over 10Mohm. However after repeated discharges the cell developes a potential of around 200mV . I feel that a galvanic reaction is most unlikely in this case.

Any comments on this  would be welcome.

Regards   Ian