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Torana

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STEPHEN HORVATH - Australian
« on: September 06, 2010, 01:29:51 AM »
Back in the 1970s Stephen Horvath drove around Sydney streets in a Ford running on Hydrogen.
No doubt he got paid off and fair enough but its frustrating for the rest of us.
Few patent numbers= #3954592, #3980053

Theres circuit drawings but info is misleading like all patents are , after all its a patent not an instruction manual , its a legal document written IN HOUSE by a law firm.

The circuit is a saw tooth ujt 1/2 wave and a push pull ,fullwave transformer.
Worth checking out to see comparisons to Meyer and Puharich.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2010, 02:57:17 AM by Torana »

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Re: STEPHEN HORVATH - Australian
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2010, 10:51:01 AM »
There is still a bit of info out there on Horvath ,be great if there was  hell of a lot more.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/.../horvaths.../story-6freoro-1111119160884

around the same time Yull Brown was driving his car around sydney .
Im surprised Horvath isnt as well known as Meyers

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Re: STEPHEN HORVATH - Australian
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2023, 05:30:17 AM »
I studied the Horvath Patents, and derived the math formulas that matched his set up. Line by line of Patent tech data. Design is now still useful, but with a few minor changes. -- Special cast carburetor not needed. A single barrel auto Carter carb with aluminum flat adapter plate is all that's needed. A "spud in Jet" is to be used at venturi point of carb. A drilled and tapped threaded hole for copper beveled tube and lock nut as hooked to hose and water safety can as hooked to Improved electrolysis cell. The transformer embedded in cell center is replaced by large Magnets on outside of NARROW plastic box cell. The flat MAGNETIC SS 2 plates are KNURLED with machine tooling. magnetic strips are knurled + screwed on to flat plates so as like spokes, similar to Patent pictures. The electrical circuit is just a beefed up capacitor discharge ignition power supply to 600watts 40Amp battery draw with Inverter 12v DC to 300v AC TR1. Choice was either high volts or low volts from transformer TR2- (2) Patents. No final diode is present because TR2 is iron laminations , so as the output pulse becomes all positive due to high frequency 10khz going through low efficiency iron laminations instead of ferrite. Pulse is called CRITICAL positive wave as degraded, which is what is desired anyway.  The separation fine SS mesh screen for gases separation is not needed. The resulting upward fuel gases go into a separate WATER SAFETY CAN with pop off plug, before the carb, along with a brass mesh one way spring valve.  Each pulse as Tr1 secondary charges cap 300v  with discharge of 22amps into the primary of TR2. The wattage comes from the frequency used, which was 10khz, for the 600W . Duty cycle .006. Main formula  as 300vDC  X square root of  1uf 1kv polypropylene / 186UH inductance primary magnet wire = 22pulse amps per pulse.and then 10,000 pulses per second. Back in those days, a high frequency GE 35A SCR was used as main switch. Also, the Bipolar switching transistors in the inverter would now be the more efficient MOSFET. The pulsing magnetic fields in Patent of TR2 in electrolysis cell center, through the water spoked electrodes improved the efficiency of gases evolved.Frequency of Inverter has to be faster than the discharge frequency, so as there is time for cap recharge. .  Horvath ran several different cars on water in carb.(Hydrogen + oxygen + air + overunity alternator charging battery.) The N +S magnets on the different NARROW plexiglass cell outside, cause water molecules to become polarized so as easier to separate them. A RIDING lawn mower Briggs engine minimum 12HP, would suffice for testing as it has an on board alternator. A small 3 cylinder car engine from a 1994 Chevy Geo Metro on engine stand with carb change from fuel injection also would work.  To get the actual size of original TR2 transformer, I used the known dimensions of center TR2 laminations bar, and used copying machine with gradual % size increase so as became actual size. Then the other dimensions would be known.  Some 60cycles transformers have a 3/4" top bar that comes off that is already laminations.

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Re: STEPHEN HORVATH - Australian
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2023, 02:33:20 PM »
INternet archive link for Courier Mail story mentioned above. https://web.archive.org/web/20101226100909/https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/features/horvaths-hydrogen-fairlane/story-e6freoro-1111119160884

The whole things is very strange.  I mean for one when you go back and read the articles or watch the TV segments on the demo, Horvath was ridiculed before he even turned on the key to the engine.  The mockery was disgraceful (even IF he was to be found out later as a fraud)....which he wasnt.

I like to just pull things apart logically.   IF like the media suggested Horvath had hidden tanks of hydrogen in the boot then why does a man go to all that effort to build a device if he knows he cant sell it??  I mean at some stage the engineers are going to check it out.  Fact 2 - The car definitely ran on HHO because only hot air and water vapor came out the tail pipe.  So...we know its running on HHO and that he is mercilessly ridiculed before any evidence is presented that he is a fraud.  Then he simply goes back to Sydney never to be heard of again??
Granted it was 1990 and no internet existed but that nobody followed this up??
I personally knew of a real inventor from South Australia and in 1992 he had a Mini that he converted to run on water.  He was on Channel 9 night news and was threatend by the oil companies hence why he went to the media.  There were no hidden bottles and the tech was real.  2 months later he is gone.  I mean GONE.  His entire family moved and nobody knows where and nothing about the car ever again.


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Re: STEPHEN HORVATH - Australian
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2023, 02:49:32 PM »
INternet archive link for Courier Mail story mentioned above. https://web.archive.org/web/20101226100909/https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/features/horvaths-hydrogen-fairlane/story-e6freoro-1111119160884

Theres always a chance Horvaths vehicle used steam reforming to produce Hydrogen.  That would explain why he didnt show the boot if he had a small amount of hydrocarbon fuel to convert the water. 
1)  Even with the small amount of fuel use his vehicle would be fantastic
2)  also explains his statement of wanting to iron out the bugs

Steam reforming is a chemical process in which carbon monoxide reacts with water vapor. This type of hydrogen production is a long-established process, which is why special steam reforming plants with a capacity of up to 100,000 cubic meters per hour are now available for this purpose. The oxygen contained in the steam causes oxidation of the fuel, resulting in hydrogen (H2). Natural gas, but also methanol, light gasoline, biogas or biomass are primarily used as carbon-containing fuels or energy carriers. 2 In this process, the water vapor required for the reaction can be added from the outside or can come from the respective feedstock itself. 3"

The chemical reaction of steam reforming is endothermic, which means that it consumes heat. It is often supported by a catalyst or the required heat is generated by the combustion of the fuel. waste heat from internal combustion engines. Steam reforming yields a gas mixture whose energy content significantly exceeds that of the fuel used. 3

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Re: STEPHEN HORVATH - Australian
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2023, 02:53:56 PM »
Theres always a chance Horvaths vehicle used steam reforming to produce Hydrogen.  That would explain why he didnt show the boot if he had a small amount of hydrocarbon fuel to convert the water. 
1)  Even with the small amount of fuel use his vehicle would be fantastic
2)  also explains his statement of wanting to iron out the bugs

Steam reforming is a chemical process in which carbon monoxide reacts with water vapor. This type of hydrogen production is a long-established process, which is why special steam reforming plants with a capacity of up to 100,000 cubic meters per hour are now available for this purpose. The oxygen contained in the steam causes oxidation of the fuel, resulting in hydrogen (H2). Natural gas, but also methanol, light gasoline, biogas or biomass are primarily used as carbon-containing fuels or energy carriers. 2 In this process, the water vapor required for the reaction can be added from the outside or can come from the respective feedstock itself. 3"

The chemical reaction of steam reforming is endothermic, which means that it consumes heat. It is often supported by a catalyst or the required heat is generated by the combustion of the fuel. waste heat from internal combustion engines. Steam reforming yields a gas mixture whose energy content significantly exceeds that of the fuel used. 3

This article from back in 2004

Fact is there is heaps of OLD tech out there that does this. 

Remember SYNGAS?  !!!!!

Thats 1940s stuff.  Steam reforming is pretty much same

https://www.machinedesign.com/news/article/21816011/hydrogen-reformer-optional-equipment-for-your-next-car


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Re: STEPHEN HORVATH - Australian
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2023, 08:41:46 PM »
Further Horvath US Patents data --You are to see the electronics schematic page of Horvath Patent to follow the line of circuit flow that generates overunity hydrogen . US  3980053  1976, readable reference on line. The separate UJT oscillator section generates the pulse that turns on the SCR switch. 1/F = Period of the frequency in seconds. .0001sec = 100microseconds  The on pulse of osc is compared to entire 100microsecond period time so as 6 Usec of 100 usec , so as .006 duty cycle. This can be put together on plug in white breadboard and adjusted to 10,000 cycles. The duty cycle of the final output in electrolysis cell is 42microseconds on time of the 100microseconds  period. This was the CRITICAL DAMPED POSITIVE WAVE of Transformer TR2 primary.There was resonance between the cap and primary inductance of TR2. F= 1 / 6.28 X square root C X L. 1/2 of this is the positive pulse that runs the secondary winding and cell. 100-42 = 58 microseconds left of SCR shut off time available to fully recharge cap before next firing. The small amount of potash added to DISTILLED water allows better conductivity. Horvath's original positive anode was machined from piece of thick walled magnetic pipe with a drill press and spinning flycutter tool up +down against outer wall edge to form the magnetic outward fluted effect. A 1 ohm "viewing " temporary resister in series with coil will show current on oscilloscope as it is high frequency. I = E / R . The cell pressure generated would be monitored with automatic sensor that shuts off power at it's adjustable setting. Energy discharge or "dump" capacitors are used today for many purposes other than CDI. Impulse welding, camera photoflash, impulse magnetizer, taser, auto timing light, strobe discharges, and induction heating are some other methods. His output low voltage version of TR2 was about 3-7 v at 200amp pulse through the electrolyte. See Inverter designs on You tube . Also the Kilgus Patent 2016442 emphasizes use of perpendicular magnetic field added to area of electrolysis to boost output gases by 50%. Pop Science magazine June 1944 pgs 130,-133, 222 magic with magnetism. Horseshoe alnico magnet generates hydrogen from water- no battery or external power. (And yes I tried it + got bubbles of vinegar water." N + S magnets attached to 2 steel bolts inside both ends of PVC T fitting. Wire gauges chart for circular mils- 700 X amps current X duty cycle = Circular mls gauge wire needed.  An IC driven Inverter such as dual osc SG3525 operates several MOSFET in parallel that operate primary with centertap of ferrite high frequency transformer. Output diodes have to be fast recovery type at 1kv such as FR607. - Fill up your ride at the water hose?



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Re: STEPHEN HORVATH - Australian
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2023, 12:57:57 AM »
Further Horvath US Patents data --You are to see the electronics schematic page of Horvath Patent to follow the line of circuit flow that generates overunity hydrogen . US  3980053  1976, readable reference on line. The separate UJT oscillator section generates the pulse that turns on the SCR switch. 1/F = Period of the frequency in seconds. .0001sec = 100microseconds  The on pulse of osc is compared to entire 100microsecond period time

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4107008A/en

Patent with drawings.....build to your hearts content.  Yet another patent and mans life wasted trying to go against the tide of OIL  Patent expired 5 short years after he went public .....sounds like a payout to me.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4107008A/en



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Re: STEPHEN HORVATH - Australian
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2023, 09:27:04 PM »
Read the Stephen Horvath patents and the process like most others seems pretty easy to understand.

First, this isn't the standard electron conduction current electrolysis and people need to get that nonsense out of there head. As the inventor claimed, the process is based on RADIOLYSIS: Molecular decomposition of a substance as a result of radiation, molecular disintegration resulting from radiation. Not an inefficient electron conduction current but EM radiation is what is claimed to decompose the H2O into H2 and O2.

Which then begs the only real question why nobody ever mentions Radiolysis /radiation decomposition but instead go off on some absurd tangent about amps and electronics. Does anyone find it strange that most like to talk about everything under the Sun except the process that actually makes the technology work?... RADIOLYSIS: Molecular decomposition of a substance as a result of radiation.

Here's a clue, a HV spark gap produces large amounts of UV and IR RADIATION as well as visible light. Key word RADIATION, which implies the RADIATION process used may have something to do with a form of RADIATION unlike a conventional electron current. It could be that RADIATION has something to do with it?.

Another clue, we see many people connecting some electrolysis plates immersed in water directly to a low voltage/high current car battery. They claim the whole point is to drive a large current between the plates to split the water but then complain the high current is depleting the energy of there battery. Which begs the question, what the !@#$ did they think was going to happen?. In fact, all they really built is a resistance heater not an electrolysis device because almost all the energy is converted directly into heat not H2 or O2. Why would they keep building a resistance heater then complain it keeps acting like a heater?. Maybe they should try to understand how a resistance heater actually works then not do that, do something else, do anything but the thing they keep doing because it obviously doesn't work.

This Horvath guy sounds pretty intelligent in my opinion...

AC


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Re: STEPHEN HORVATH - Australian
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2023, 02:11:19 AM »
Read the Stephen Horvath patents and the process like most others seems pretty easy to understand.

First, this isn't the standard electron conduction current electrolysis and people need to get that nonsense out of there head. As the inventor claimed, the process is based on RADIOLYSIS: Molecular decomposition of a substance as a result of radiation, molecular disintegration resulting from radiation. Not an inefficient electron conduction current but EM radiation is what is claimed to decompose the H2O into H2 and O2.

Which then begs the only real question why nobody ever mentions Radiolysis /radiation decomposition but instead go off on some absurd tangent about amps and electronics. Does anyone find it strange that most like to talk about everything under the Sun except the process that actually makes the technology work?... RADIOLYSIS: Molecular decomposition of a substance as a result of radiation.

Here's a clue, a HV spark gap produces large amounts of UV and IR RADIATION as well as visible light. Key word RADIATION, which implies the RADIATION process used may have something to do with a form of RADIATION unlike a conventional electron current. It could be that RADIATION has something to do with it?.

Another clue, we see many people connecting some electrolysis plates immersed in water directly to a low voltage/high current car battery. They claim the whole point is to drive a large current between the plates to split the water but then complain the high current is depleting the energy of there battery. Which begs the question, what the !@#$ did they think was going to happen?. In fact, all they really built is a resistance heater not an electrolysis device because almost all the energy is converted directly into heat not H2 or O2. Why would they keep building a resistance heater then complain it keeps acting like a heater?. Maybe they should try to understand how a resistance heater actually works then not do that, do something else, do anything but the thing they keep doing because it obviously doesn't work.

This Horvath guy sounds pretty intelligent in my opinion...

AC

you are 100% spot on correct onepower

blunt and to the point

Steve Ryan in newzealand did exactly the same thing with the motorbike.  Radiation is the key.  BTW people....you dont do it with liquid.....you turn the water into a gas first then you SPLIT it .

Horvath and Ryan the same things happened.  Ryan was on 60 minutes and 2 weeks later not a peep out of him anymore.  The ridicule of the interviewers was disgusting.

No man invents something to go on TV and be ridiculed.  Ryan drove a landcruiser around australia on waste oil and water.

and now you cant even find his home address or linkedcIN page

You decide what to believe

But onepower is right....the horvath patent is not difficult but I suspect its beyond what most of you will ever want to put forth in effort because to reproduce  the tech will take you years of work and private funds.

So i really dont understand at what point the majority of people on this forum think free energy in a simple form is going to land in their laps??


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Re: STEPHEN HORVATH - Australian
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2023, 11:25:15 PM »
You people are just like most of the others. You don't read all the tech data in a message. You just go off on a tangent without going with the flow. Read line 8 again of my post in the MORNING message, and line 15 of the PM message. The inventor Horvath had more than one US Patent. (3) as -  Low volts + high amps, High volts + low amps, and a Radiolysis glass tube electrolyzer. Do your own research on same subject matter before complaining about someone else's post message. The post was about the low 3v and 200A pulse CDI DC electrolysis without Diode rectification type, aided by pulsing magnetic field that greatly increased efficiency so as Hydrogen evolved at rate to sustain engines with alternator fully recharging auto battery. Unusual circuit designs are necessary to become within the realm of over unity.