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Author Topic: Homopolar Stack (multiple generators on one common shaft) Brent Hasty  (Read 29736 times)

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Re: Homopolar Stack (multiple generators on one common shaft) Brent Hasty
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2010, 01:47:31 AM »
Brent,

Do you have any videos or photographs of your experiments?

GB

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Re: Homopolar Stack (multiple generators on one common shaft) Brent Hasty
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2010, 01:50:33 PM »
@Hypercom

Interesting reading, seems to explain the HPG very well. I need to read it again and try to understand more on the concept of the spiral, and the exact effect it generates and why the author thought it was important.
@lumen

This pattern of a homopolar generator according to the Tesla's principles.
The spiral configuration of the disk rotation reduces the reaction, the counterforce and eddy current.
This project, if developed properly, could lead to the creation of the first regenerative electrodynamic turbine as directed by prof. Serra-Valls.

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« Last Edit: September 12, 2010, 03:59:57 PM by Hypercom »

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Re: Homopolar Stack (multiple generators on one common shaft) Brent Hasty
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2010, 08:34:48 PM »


Twin disk homopolar motor generator.
Some indications

Iron-core magnetic circuit + permanent magnet.
Spiral configuration twin disk electrically coupled via  conductive strip or belt.
This configuration allows to take power from the rotation axis greatly simplifies the electrical connection that can be achieved with brushes or mercury.

Hypercom

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Re: Homopolar Stack (multiple generators on one common shaft) Brent Hasty
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2010, 10:19:29 PM »

Twin disk homopolar motor generator.
Some indications

Iron-core magnetic circuit + permanent magnet.
Spiral configuration twin disk electrically coupled via  conductive strip or belt.
This configuration allows to take power from the rotation axis greatly simplifies the electrical connection that can be achieved with brushes or mercury.

Hypercom

There are much better solutions than this.  Look carefully at the twin disk setup and you will see there are four sides of the magnets which aren't being utilized.  This is a waste of energy.  Learn how to use opposing fields, which allows both sides of the magnets to be utilized.  Learn how to put everything onto a single axle where the current will be extracted from the axis's of each disc, which in turns eliminates the brushes at the rim or the conductive belt which introduces additional unwanted friction into the system.  Also, the conductive belt doesn't make contact around the entire circumference of each disc.  It's making contact 180o with the disk on one axle, and makes contact 1800 with the disk on the other axle.  This is equivalent to only making full contact with one disk only, and defeats the purpose of the twin discs.  You may have doubled the voltage, but you cut your amps in half, which is the same power output as a single disc.

1)  Not utilizing all sides of the magnets, which cuts your potential output power in half.
2)  Conductive belt introduces additional friction and increases input power requirements.
3)  Additional axle introduces an increase in weight and bearing losses which increases the input power requirements.
4)  Conductive belt only making contact with half of each disc at any given time, which cuts your potential output power in half.

GB
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Re: Homopolar Stack (multiple generators on one common shaft) Brent Hasty
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2010, 11:37:57 PM »
There are much better solutions than this.  Look carefully at the twin disk setup and you will see there are four sides of the magnets which aren't being utilized.  This is a waste of energy.  Learn how to use opposing fields, which allows both sides of the magnets to be utilized.  Learn how to put everything onto a single axle where the current will be extracted from the axis's of each disc, which in turns eliminates the brushes at the rim or the conductive belt which introduces additional unwanted friction into the system.  Also, the conductive belt doesn't make contact around the entire circumference of each disc.  It's making contact 180o with the disk on one axle, and makes contact 1800 with the disk on the other axle.  This is equivalent to only making full contact with one disk only, and defeats the purpose of the twin discs.  You may have doubled the voltage, but you cut your amps in half, which is the same power output as a single disc.

1)  Not utilizing all sides of the magnets, which cuts your potential output power in half.
2)  Conductive belt introduces additional friction and increases input power requirements.
3)  Additional axle introduces an increase in weight and bearing losses which increases the input power requirements.
4)  Conductive belt only making contact with half of each disc at any given time, which cuts your potential output power in half.

GB
Hi

Excellent considerations GB,

These examples in fact are only starting points, ideas that must be analyzed and improved by the contributions of all researchers ...

Post some drawing, see if you can make a brushless system.

Regards Hypercom.

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Re: Homopolar Stack (multiple generators on one common shaft) Brent Hasty
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2010, 12:11:57 AM »
Hi

Excellent considerations GB,

These examples in fact are only starting points, ideas that must be analyzed and improved by the contributions of all researchers ...

Post some drawing, see if you can make a brushless system.

Regards Hypercom.

I have posted many drawing over the years on this forum.  Increasing the voltage in the HPG isn't really an issue in my opinion.  The brushes aren't really a problem with the right setup either. The problem is the counter torque.  There is an easy way to analyze the counter torque in a HPG.  If it can be ran as a motor, then the HPG has a counter torque.  If you reduce the counter torque in a HPG, then you will more than likely reduce the HPG power output proportionally.

Design a HPG that has more power output than the input power requirements and where it can't be ran as a motor also, then it will be a great discovery.

GB

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Re: Homopolar Stack (multiple generators on one common shaft) Brent Hasty
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2010, 12:54:06 PM »
I have posted many drawing over the years on this forum.  Increasing the voltage in the HPG isn't really an issue in my opinion.  The brushes aren't really a problem with the right setup either. The problem is the counter torque.  There is an easy way to analyze the counter torque in a HPG.  If it can be ran as a motor, then the HPG has a counter torque.  If you reduce the counter torque in a HPG, then you will more than likely reduce the HPG power output proportionally.

Design a HPG that has more power output than the input power requirements and where it can't be ran as a motor also, then it will be a great discovery.

GB
Hi

Can you give me links?
Thanks GB

Regards Hypercom.

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Re: Homopolar Stack (multiple generators on one common shaft) Brent Hasty
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2010, 01:10:07 PM »
Hi

Can you give me links?
Thanks GB

Regards Hypercom.

Do a search.  I'm not going through 1,100 plus postings of mine to find the links.  Also, I don't have the drawings on this computer.  The computer which has the drawings has a bad CPU unit.  The computer I'm on now is very slow and hard to do any research on it.

GB

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Re: Homopolar Stack (multiple generators on one common shaft) Brent Hasty
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2010, 05:19:55 PM »
Hi

Great improvements in Halbach config.