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Offline Lynxis

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Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« on: April 26, 2006, 07:27:27 PM »
Has anyone come across this design posted today at Peswiki ???

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor

Seems it would be easy to replicate ??? Much easier than the Torbay design.
Does anyone here have any knowledge of this design?

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Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« on: April 26, 2006, 07:27:27 PM »

Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2006, 08:32:09 PM »
this is really nice.  :)

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2006, 03:58:40 AM »
Really I think this motor will beautifully work !
Well done ! Now I again have more feelings,
that a magnet helped gravity motor will work.

Okay, the output willbe pretty low also from bigger unity,only in the
10 Watts range maximum with also 10 meter diameter ring motors,
but at least we will have perpetual motion which could at least
pump some water in desert or something simular...
This will not run your car, but it could help
in powering your small power appliacnces or charge battery banks
all day and night long !

Well done !

Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2006, 03:58:40 AM »
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Offline Lynxis

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2006, 04:19:48 PM »
Really I think this motor will beautifully work !
Well done ! Now I again have more feelings,
that a magnet helped gravity motor will work.

Okay, the output willbe pretty low also from bigger unity,only in the
10 Watts range maximum with also 10 meter diameter ring motors,
but at least we will have perpetual motion which could at least
pump some water in desert or something simular...
This will not run your car, but it could help
in powering your small power appliacnces or charge battery banks
all day and night long !

Well done ! Regards, Stefan.

Does seem that conceptually it could work as a "proof of concept".
Seems it would also be easy and inexpensive to prototype.

Everything causing frictions needs to be carefully done-up, and, in working
out the geometry of it all, one does need to concentrate on making sure the
right-side is heavier (and over-balanced).

From the drawings, I'm not sure that the 8 spokes are best in causing an
over-balance, perhaps 5 would be better.

You comment about 10 meters, is interesting...
I think the issue is creating "weight & torgue", and that can be done on a
small scale with heavy magnets.

Either way, seems it would be much simpler to implement than the Torbay
device, as there are less "unknowns" // and the logic of it all is more straight-
forward.

Even if one can just get this to work on a small-scale // then one can
always think through improvements.

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2006, 04:44:21 PM »
No this motor will not work.

Draw a line through the middle of the fixed steel rim. on the right hand side, the magnet weights are falling, there are 3. On the left hand side , the magnet weights are being lifted, there are 5. Think about it. for every magnet that reaches the bottom of the steel rim, it has to be lifted again to the top. the magnets are not assisting in this.

The magnets aren't providing any power at all. they just hold themselves/weight to the steel rim. a similar arrangement could be built without the rolling magnets, using some kind of track to keep the weights attached to the steel rim.

In any case, it's no different from 100,s of other gravity motors. It won't turn.

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Offline Lynxis

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2006, 04:47:21 PM »
No this motor will not work.

Draw a line through the middle of the fixed steel rim. on the right hand side, the magnet weights are falling, there are 3. On the left hand side , the magnet weights are being lifted, there are 5. Think about it. for every magnet that reaches the bottom of the steel rim, it has to be lifted again to the top. the magnets are not assisting in this.

The magnets aren't providing any power at all. they just hold themselves/weight to the steel rim. a similar arrangement could be built without the rolling magnets, using some kind of track to keep the weights attached to the steel rim.

In any case, it's no different from 100,s of other gravity motors. It won't turn.

You might be right, question being if the off-center right-side is heavier to produce the force
needed to lift the left side portion...
I too am looking at this as being an issue that might not allow it to work.

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2006, 07:26:47 AM »
No this motor will not work.

Draw a line through the middle of the fixed steel rim. on the right hand side, the magnet weights are falling, there are 3. On the left hand side , the magnet weights are being lifted, there are 5. Think about it. for every magnet that reaches the bottom of the steel rim, it has to be lifted again to the top. the magnets are not assisting in this.

The magnets aren't providing any power at all. they just hold themselves/weight to the steel rim. a similar arrangement could be built without the rolling magnets, using some kind of track to keep the weights attached to the steel rim.

In any case, it's no different from 100,s of other gravity motors. It won't turn.

Sorry to say, but you're wrong. Study the pictures again and you will see de magenets spin arounf de off-centre axis and not the rim they are attracted to. So there are 3 magnets going down, 3 magnets going up (but are close to the axis!), one all the way down and one all the way up.
So, it might work as claimed.

regards,

Dutchy

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2006, 08:06:03 AM »
Quote
Sorry to say, but you're wrong. Study the pictures again and you will see de magenets spin arounf de off-centre axis and not the rim they are attracted to. So there are 3 magnets going down, 3 magnets going up (but are close to the axis!), one all the way down and one all the way up.
So, it might work as claimed.

regards,

Dutchy

No, sorry to say but you're wrong. The magnets do spin around the steel rim, the magnets are always attached to the steel rim therefore they spin around the steel rim. Do as I say, and draw a line vertically through the centre of the fixed steel rim, on the left hand side of the line you have drawn, there are five magnets all being lifted, until they reach the twelve o'clock position on the steel rim, on the right hand side there are only three magnets falling, every thing will balance out, the extra leverage the three magnets falling have, will be balanced by the five magnets needing to be lifted.

anyway don't take my word for it, build it, and watch it spin for ever...... or perhaps not.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2006, 08:38:15 AM by treb79 »

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2006, 10:06:11 PM »

Hello everybody

IMHO this device is very simple (but not so simple to build) and very clever.
It might work and anyway, deserve more pratical researchs and, perhaps, less maths.

Did you try the http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor
proposal experiment with an empty steel coffee can ?
I did it with a whiskey 'can' (I do not drink coffee :))) and a bunch of few circular weak ceramic magnets.
It works.

Any non permanently unbalanced wheel turns (with a non 'stalling' axle, of course).
Can we reason about this device with a mere *static* picture?
This apparatus is intented to move. Is it not?

Best

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2006, 12:09:04 AM »


Hi, folks

What about this Andy_Motor animation by Eric Vogels: http://fdp.nu/AndyMotor/default.asp

Of course, it *proves* nothing ...

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2006, 07:53:49 PM »
Hi All,

New here, been reading about it. I think it will work but it has to be huge or the torque would probably be insufficient to produce any usuable energy. If too small, the friction as mentioned will render it as for display only. Can see but cannot use.

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2006, 11:59:27 AM »
What about this Andy_Motor animation by Eric Vogels: http://fdp.nu/AndyMotor/default.asp


I don't see why this arrangement of magnets should move perpetually.
Did you see the advertising banner on the bottom of the page ?

For Shenzhen Shan magnetism industry this concept may have some output...
 

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2006, 02:22:40 AM »
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« Last Edit: May 01, 2006, 02:45:34 AM by lancaIV »

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2006, 12:35:33 PM »
I'm sorry to say that the small amount of torque that can be had with the off center magnets will not be enough to overcome the rolling resistance of the mechanism. But stuff like this is fun to build anyway.  ;D

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Re: Andy Gravity-Magnet Motor
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2006, 08:21:57 PM »
Have a read of this before you build it, it could save you time and money.  :)

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/GravityMotors/Andy/Andy_Motor_wont_work_proof.pdf


 

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