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Author Topic: Eric the free energy skeptic  (Read 38987 times)

erickrieg

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Eric the free energy skeptic
« on: April 08, 2005, 12:17:47 AM »
Hey people,

I appreciate being allowed to post here as I've been thrown out of some lists that don't like ideas being challenged or questioned.  I have been looking for quality proof of free energy claims for 9 years now and offer a $10,000 prize for undeniable proof at:
www.phact.org/e/freetest.html

I offer a number of pages with reason to be particularly skeptical of many of the following claims:

Dennis Lee
www.phact.org/e/dennis.html

GWE
www.phact.org/e/z/GWE.htm

Bearden
www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm

Lutec.
www.phact.org/e/z/lutec.pdf

Tilley
www.phact.org/e/z/tilley.htm

My general list of the larger free energy claimants in the last few centuries is found at
www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html

I have generally found that people making money promoting general free energy claims don't want people to hear my warnings about all the con men out there.   I'm a volunteer, but have been accused of being hired by big oil or the CIA or whatever - there is a lot of conspiracy theory among FE believers.    I get about 1 new claimant a week trying to assure me he will soon have real proof.   I would much rather become convinced a given idea really works and then set about trying to bring it out.   But I'm not going to lower my standards of truth just to have a far more significant cause than my minor one of offering the skeptical voice.

eric krieg
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joegatt

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2005, 10:03:44 AM »
Hi Eric.

For a working over-unity demonstration build the circuit described at

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/atep1.htm

Of course, as it stands, it has no practical use whatsoever.
It just adds 1 joule to a 5 joule pulse.
But it does demonstrate the existance of the the elusive Zero Point Energy, and it gives us the motivation to try and pursue it.

Regards
Joseph Gatt
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erickrieg

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2005, 04:36:59 AM »
I would like to believe your Bearden device works.   To the best of my knowledge, the Naudin site is censored to erase information from people who find error's in Bearden's claims or errors in claims of those who say they have found MEG OU.  I offer info on bearden at
www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm

You referenced a book by Bearden, "the final secret of free energy"  - it came out 10 years ago, should it not be fair to expect that someone like you would have used these final secrets to have made at least a device that self runs by now?   I have been seeing delaying excuses for about 10 years now from free energy claimants - I have a feeling that in my remaining maybe 40 more years (statistically speaking) I will keep hearing the same "very soon" estimates.

   still, I wish you the best - I rarely have any criticism of tinkerers like you = only with those who sell you false hopes.  Let me know if/when you have something that even runs its self.

eric krieg
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BushWacker

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2005, 09:53:07 AM »
Eric,

    I believe that we need a few skeptic's out there to keep people on their guard against all the scams. I also believe however, that a few of the people on your lists, have been well meaning people but, that when their devices/technologies were found to be simply novel in nature, they were immediately written up as frauds and charletons. We need both sides to even the scales Eric, but we must also be careful that we do not cause good people harm that are undeserving of the kind of shame that some of these well meaning people receive. I have a bit of personal experience in these matters, as I know how people rush to conclussions on both sides before knowing the entire story. In fact, that is how I came to be so involved with this all to begin with. I personally welcome both sides of the argument because I believe that most people, deep down inside, only want to know the whole truth, and that without skeptic's in our midst, people would simply de-volve into nothing more than sheep for the slaughter so-to-speak. When the skeptic's are finally convinced then we will all know that we have something. Keep up the good work!

Best Regards,

J.D.
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joegatt

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2005, 07:46:58 AM »
Ok Eric.

I understand your position, mainly because I tend to be sceptical myself. In fact, I was half expecting you to point out some quirk related to the TEP circuit. But it seems to me that you're not too keen on the experimental side. Me, on the hand, I prefer to dismiss options by trying them out. So I still have a lot of experimenting to do.

I agree with your views about Bearden. I think he's out of touch with reality.

As for getting older without witnessing any significant improvements, all I can say is, I hope I won't disappoint you.

Regards
Joe Gatt


 
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dracozny

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2005, 04:31:51 AM »
wow and i thought i was the only one who thought bearden was a nut!

really I dont trust anything that comes out of that guy, he has his own adgenda and has been know to spat out allot of misinformation for whaterver reason he has.
I do beleive in almost free energy. I say almost free because it still takes work from somewhere even if the work is only 10% of the produced energy it still doesnt constitute as 100% free. call it discounted if you will :)
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Jim_Mich

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2005, 03:02:41 PM »
When most of us speak of 'FREE ENERGY' many are talking about getting energy from some previously uknown source such as Zero Point Energy or Ether Energy. Once the mechanics are known of how to use this energy then we'll quickly realize that it is free in the same sense oil is free energy. Also wind, sunlight, biomass, wood, coal, hydro, ocean waves, gravity, etc. are free energy sources.

For every energy harnessing devise there is an energy source. What's important is whether there needs to be a middle-man between the source and the end user. Other aspects are initial and on-going costs of production, along with dependability and availability.

An ideal device would be something that gains unending perpetual energy from a steady free source like ZPE or gravity.

Jim_Mich
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PaulLowrance

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2005, 08:01:55 PM »
Quote from: Jim_Mich on April 22, 2005, 03:02:41 PM
An ideal device would be something that gains unending perpetual energy from a steady free source like ZPE or gravity.
 
Actually the best source would be from ambient heat.  Such a device at room temperature or any temperature would merely move energy.  This would be great for global warming since it would not create any energy from any potential energy source and heat up the world.  If everyone had unlimited free energy then global warming would be far far far more dangerous than it apparently is becoming.

Yet, don't get me wrong.  I for one would be far more than happy to have any free energy regardless from ZPE as long as it's safe.  I am just suggesting that free energy from ambient heat is the best option for our planet.

Sincerely,
Paul
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hartiberlin

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2005, 10:03:09 PM »
Yes, Paul you are right, free energy from surrounding heat is a closed circle process,
where you just locally cool down the environment and when you use the produced
energy you just dissipate then again, so there is again heat produced.
So this would be the best clean cycle to get the energy and doesn?t have any
negative side effects.

Regards, Stefan.
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Paul-R

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2005, 04:10:16 PM »
Quote from: erickrieg on April 10, 2005, 04:36:59 AM
I would like to believe your Bearden device works.? ?To the best of my knowledge, the Naudin site is censored to erase information from people who find error's in Bearden's claims........

What is your evidence for this statement?

I glanced at your site:
http://www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm
and it appears to me to be a strange patchwork of remarks from
people here and people there whose reputations and track record
are not made clear.
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erickrieg

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2005, 03:12:30 AM »
Quote from: Paul-R on April 24, 2005, 04:10:16 PM
Quote from: erickrieg on April 10, 2005, 04:36:59 AM
I would like to believe your Bearden device works.   To the best of my knowledge, the Naudin site is censored to erase information from people who find error's in Bearden's claims........

What is your evidence for this statement?

I glanced at your site:
http://www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm
and it appears to me to be a strange patchwork of remarks from
people here and people there whose reputations and track record
are not made clear.

I agree that the heat energy all around us is real energy - but it is not generally viable to harness due to the 2nd law of thermo (many claim it can be violated, but I seriously doubt that).   I understand the claim of ZPE - maybe it is energy that holds stuff together, but I see mater as being very stable.   I would expect that there would be a good way to harness fusion power before one could really harness ZPE.   
     I honestly feel that people going to Bearden conferences are just all deluding themselves.   I've studied pretty advanced math and can't follow his math - so I feel quite sure people saying they follow it are deluding themselves.  It's like the emporor's new physics.  I know a fellow who says the MEG design was stolen.  Bearden has faked credentials and vouched for kooks like Newman.  To the best of my knowledge, the MEG builder effort has not had any positive results and some of the discussion forums kick out people who ask too many questions.  One thing people have to ask about Bearden and free energy is"if Bearden published a book called, 'the final secret of free energy' 10 years ago, then why has no one actually done it?".     If you can find anyone who really understands the newman theory (that I think is just jibberish) enough to explain it to me over the phone, let me know.
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Paul-R

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2005, 12:24:18 AM »
Quote from: erickrieg on April 30, 2005, 03:12:30 AM
Quote from: Paul-R on April 24, 2005, 04:10:16 PM
Quote from: erickrieg on April 10, 2005, 04:36:59 AM
I would like to believe your Bearden device works.   To the best of my knowledge, the Naudin site is censored to erase information from people who find error's in Bearden's claims........

What is your evidence for this statement?

I glanced at your site:
http://www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm
and it appears to me to be a strange patchwork of remarks from
people here and people there whose reputations and track record
are not made clear.

I agree that the heat energy all around us is real energy - but it is not generally viable to harness due to the 2nd law of thermo (many claim it can be violated, but I seriously doubt that).   I understand the claim of ZPE - maybe it is energy that holds stuff together, but I see mater as being very stable.   I would expect that there would be a good way to harness fusion power before one could really harness ZPE.   
     I honestly feel that people going to Bearden conferences are just all deluding themselves.   I've studied pretty advanced math and can't follow his math - so I feel quite sure people saying they follow it are deluding themselves.  It's like the emporor's new physics.  I know a fellow who says the MEG design was stolen.  Bearden has faked credentials and vouched for kooks like Newman.  To the best of my knowledge, the MEG builder effort has not had any positive results and some of the discussion forums kick out people who ask too many questions.  One thing people have to ask about Bearden and free energy is"if Bearden published a book called, 'the final secret of free energy' 10 years ago, then why has no one actually done it?".     If you can find anyone who really understands the newman theory (that I think is just jibberish) enough to explain it to me over the phone, let me know.

You haven't answered my question. What is the basis for your
view that JLN censors?

Paul.
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lanca

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2005, 03:42:22 AM »
"to think to give a serious statement/testat":
there is a cafe,with an esplanade and ten tables and fourty chairs.
there are sitting thirty people,in a calm atmosphere.
suddenly,an accident with two cars in front off them.
how many different color-definitions of the two cars,carmodels,people-inside and other indizes you will find later in the official accident-protocoll? 
"in dubio pro reo !"
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rlm555339

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2005, 04:01:53 PM »
Quote from: lanca on June 01, 2005, 03:42:22 AM
"to think to give a serious statement/testat":
there is a cafe,with an esplanade and ten tables and fourty chairs.
there are sitting thirty people,in a calm atmosphere.
suddenly,an accident with two cars in front off them.
how many different color-definitions of the two cars,carmodels,people-inside and other indizes you will find later in the official accident-protocoll??
"in dubio pro reo !"

To claim something functions that never works............
To claim to have something that everyone wants, but noone ever wants it..........
To claim to be able to do something that never gets done...........
To endlessly pontificate in pseudo-aura of grandeur............

*Res Ipsa Loquitor*
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joegatt

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Re: Eric the free energy skeptic
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2005, 01:15:21 PM »
Just to set the record straight... my TEP replication attempt did NOT achieve over-unity. I've just realised I had made a mistake in the math as I processed the readings obtained. ZPE is looking more distant now than it ever was. I must concede, Eric, you were right after all.? I now think that the best way to try to achive over-unity is to utilise ambient thermal energy.

Regards
Joseph.
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