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Author Topic: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?  (Read 30240 times)

Offline wings

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Re: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?
« Reply #60 on: November 29, 2010, 02:57:31 PM »
does that mean you think the shield can be moved in and out (on the linear bearing) with little effort if the spring is adjusted correctly?

tom
I think so see conical springs or spring in series with limited stroke or a mix of spring in compression an in extension.....

http://www.mitcalc.com/doc/springs/help/en/springstxt.htm

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Re: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?
« Reply #61 on: November 29, 2010, 03:37:27 PM »
wings,

if the magnets are 1" square, when in the repell mode, would they have enough energy to rise 2 inches and compress the spring on the way 1 inch?  refer to lastest figure in reply 57.  keep in mind, drawing not to scale (my bad!).

tom

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Re: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?
« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2010, 04:34:32 PM »
wings,

if the magnets are 1" square, when in the repell mode, would they have enough energy to rise 2 inches and compress the spring on the way 1 inch?  refer to lastest figure in reply 57.  keep in mind, drawing not to scale (my bad!).

tom
some idea:
- design a balanced system with one shield going in and the other out
- forget the springs and design a cam with two roller that actuate the shield in both direction with minimum backlash (compression and traction) - backlash = loss

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Re: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?
« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2010, 04:34:32 PM »
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Re: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?
« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2010, 05:09:35 PM »
wings,

i have already, but still with springs.  later versions could be as you suggest.  my art work is not very good (how is yours?) so haven't tried yet.

if it will get more interested, let's have a pic.

tom

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Re: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?
« Reply #64 on: November 29, 2010, 07:42:06 PM »
wings,

i have already, but still with springs.  later versions could be as you suggest.  my art work is not very good (how is yours?) so haven't tried yet.

if it will get more interested, let's have a pic.

tom
I have done some experiment on other area, not in magnetic motor except Orbo - toroid saturation motor.

It is important to understand the trick before starting to bult it otherwise you spend energy and money with no results.

The best way is by small test to verify the assumpions - as example with weights pulleys or electronic scales to measure acting forces with magnets approaching tangentially or axially.

I have little time for experiments. But I can help you if you like.

...  you can understand my native language is not english..

best regards




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Re: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?
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Offline tbird

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Re: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?
« Reply #65 on: November 29, 2010, 11:33:18 PM »
wings,

as i have said before, "i think any test you can do would be a grand idea!!".

i do understand about "native language is not english".  i am currently in a place where english is not the first language.  i struggle all the time.  if the desire is there, we will get by.

tom


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Re: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?
« Reply #66 on: December 23, 2010, 07:22:38 PM »
If I understood well, no replications or working models until now. Bad news compared to Muammar Yildiz magnet motor, which is available on a YouTube video.
BTW, did anybody make a model of the Carousel generator? Seems in the same state as this motor.
Regards.

ALEJANDRO

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Re: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?
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Re: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2011, 09:33:48 PM »
hi guys,

there are 2 points of interest in the picture below that might be worth considering.

1. according to the patent, this machine can run in either direction.  with the changes i've drawn (not my strong suit), this would not be possible.

2.  some one (i can't find the comment now) was concerned about the dwell angle for the cam.  this change would address that and maybe add a little extra pull to the rotor.

first note the added bell crank.  this reverses the action of the shield.  instead of the shield moving inward when the cam notch passes under the shield rod assy., the shield will move outward (lobe used now).  now the dwell angle on the cam doesn't have to be so short.  it will be more gradual, but the magnet will be fully uncovered by the time the rotor reaches it.  the stator magnet will be uncovered (at least partially) longer, but will cover quickly when the time comes.  this extra time will add extra attraction to the rotor (if it is not too far away).

this still has the benefit of being almost balanced (small effort to move) between the spring tension and the attraction of the shield to the stator magnet.  i can explain if you don't understand.

any thoughts?

tom

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Re: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?
« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2011, 02:50:18 AM »
Yes, I have a thought.

If you eliminate the part number 54, the "Stator Magnet", the device will "run" longer, given any initial starting spin.

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Re: pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?
« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2011, 12:20:52 PM »

TinselKoala,

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Yes, I have a thought.

If you eliminate the part number 54, the "Stator Magnet", the device will "run" longer, given any initial starting spin.

i have read some of your other posts.  you seem to be a smart fellow, at least when it comes to electronics.  i just have to wonder why you would come to this thread and make such a comment.  it seems beneath your abilities.

if you have something constructive to say, please jump in.  otherwise, keep your counter productive comments to yourself.

tom

 

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