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Offline nievesoliveras

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Re: N-Pole Motor Trifilar Design
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2010, 02:30:39 AM »
The most used position for the neon bulb and the one that always has worked for me is the one on the graph.

Jesus

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Re: N-Pole Motor Trifilar Design
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Re: N-Pole Motor Trifilar Design
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2010, 03:27:50 AM »
It seems the time has come to begin obtaining suitable parts to
put this thing together, so I've been searching around for ferrite
rods and some other things - batteries as well.  I'll be going with
the 450-turn coil(s).

My concern at this point is in regards to the types of battery
that the Bedini Motor is capable of using. Below I've gathered
together a selection of the ones I'm currently thinking might
possibly work; alternatives to expensive lead-acid. 

...  ?

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Re: N-Pole Motor Trifilar Design
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2010, 12:40:28 PM »
Effectively doubling the ratio of coil matter per unit of flux charge
is looking to be my foward direction.  Opposing connections on the
windings, each with their own 600V recovery system.

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Re: N-Pole Motor Trifilar Design
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2010, 12:40:28 PM »
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Re: N-Pole Motor Trifilar Design
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2010, 07:23:12 PM »
That is a goo idea!
But there seems to be a problem with this system you should study before spending lots of money and time.
The batteries get kind of damaged after just a few charges.
They show what is called a ghost voltage. There is voltage but not amperage strenght if it is called that way.

You install the batteires with full voltage on a device and as soon the device is turned on, consumes the whole charge of the batteries in seconds.

Maybe I am wrong though. Just check it.

Jesus

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Re: N-Pole Motor Trifilar Design
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2010, 05:28:40 AM »
Do you mean to say that ghost voltage is a problem with using the
types of batteries I've shown above ? or that it has to do with
the double-coil arrangment ? or the whole Bedini system in general?

I would be confused though if it turned out that a lot of people
had built his device and had this problem, as previously it has
seemed to me that Bedini systems were more on the conservative side
of Overunity - extensively researched as a viable technology.

 ???

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Re: N-Pole Motor Trifilar Design
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2010, 05:28:40 AM »
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Re: N-Pole Motor Trifilar Design
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2010, 02:13:13 PM »
Search information on conditioning the battery with the bedini charger or something on the like.

I have heard that the batteries need to be discharged and charged several times in order to cure the ghost voltage.

Note:
Maybe they do not call it ghost voltage. But it is sure that a long battery conditioning by charging and discharging is needed.

Jesus

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Re: N-Pole Motor Trifilar Design
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2010, 08:45:39 PM »
It seems the time has come to begin obtaining suitable parts to
put this thing together, so I've been searching around for ferrite
rods and some other things - batteries as well.  I'll be going with
the 450-turn coil(s).

My concern at this point is in regards to the types of battery
that the Bedini Motor is capable of using. Below I've gathered
together a selection of the ones I'm currently thinking might
possibly work; alternatives to expensive lead-acid. 

...  ?

May I suggest you avoid Lithium Ion and for sure don't use AA cells labeled Lithium (which are not rechargeable).  Lithium Ion batteries like to explode and overheat and are very picky about being charged safely.  NiCD or NiMH are fairly rugged and can take a lot of abuse but lead acid may be the best.  There are some new Lithium technologies that can take more abuse but they aren't cheap and are largely unknown quantities when dealing with RE or alternate energy charging. 

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Re: N-Pole Motor Trifilar Design
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2010, 12:53:16 PM »
There doesn't seem to be anything definite indicating to me yet
what size guage(s) of magnet wire to use.  Currently I'm under
the impression that all three may be the same size.

I've included a bit of math operating under this principle to
determine the resulting dimensions of the coil.  With a few other
items I'll be casting three ceramic magnets into the wheel shape,
and drilling out holes to bolt on a wheel bearing.



Calculations
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The thickness of a 25g strand of wire is around .45mm

Wrapped on a length of 1.75in of core material, there is
enough room for 98.78 winds.  In order to obtain enough
winds to match the specification on the N-Pole Motor, it
will require a bobbin with endpieces wide enough to
contain a 6.15mm layer of trifilar coil winds.



450 / 32.927 = 13.67 layers

.45 * 13.67 = 6.15 mm


    98.78         32.927 turns
 ----------- = -------------
   3 strands       1.75in


450 / ( 98.78 ) = 4.55 layers

.45mm * 4.55 = 2.04mm


 X winds 25g
------------- 
   1.75in                   44.45
                            ------- =  98.78 winds 25g
25g = .45mm           .45 mm


1.75in =  1in         
------   ------
   x     25.4mm

1x / 1.75 = 25.4

25.4 * 1.75 = 1x

x = 44.45 mm

 

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