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Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #15 on:** August 23, 2010, 08:26:36 PM »

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>I reserve the right to object to secret conspiritorial efforts by Glen

One more LIE or post like that Jib, energetic forum Admin , Arron ,Glen Harvey and my self Ashtweth will make a case yo remove you from the forums. Stefan can choose what he wants, it will effect what a lot of people who have witnessed you spread this disinformation feel

You got removed for a reason Rose and i dont want to hear your lies any more , and its not just me more thin 5 people can testify to your behavior you are giving us grounds to remove you TRY ME. Post one more thing insinuating that. We need it for our public records

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Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #16 on:** August 23, 2010, 08:28:12 PM »

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>I reserve the right to object to secret conspiritorial efforts by Glen

One more LIE or post like that Jib, energetic forum Admin , Arron ,Glen Harvey and my self Ashtweth will make a case yo remove you from the forums. Stefan can choose what he wants, it will effect what a lot of people who have witnessed you spread this disinformation feel

You got removed for a reason Rose and i dont want to hear your lies any more , and its not just me more thin 5 people can testify to your behavior you are giving us grounds to remove you TRY ME. Post one more thing insinuating that. We need it for our public records

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Ashtweth - do your worst. If I am to be banned - then so be it. I realise how urgently you need to silence me. There are indeed 5 of you who will actively attempt it. The sad truth is that all five of you subscribe to the need to lead this OU drive when it is not yours to lead. It is frightening. Every member and every reader and, for that matter every citizen alive can choose to read and study the work of whoever they will. And you are rather underestimating the support I have. What you are trying to insinuate is that you lot have some kind of monopoly on these efforts. I have now been advised by many members that I should simply prevent you from posting here. I will make all such advisement available to Stefan should it be required to defend my membership. Meanwhile - PLEASE. Do your worst. I will not - at this stage in my life - succumb to threats - least of all from you. I am MORE THAN READY to fight my corner.

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Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #17 on:** August 23, 2010, 08:32:30 PM »

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Guys - I've woken up to another slew of nonsense. I'll deal with each point as appropriate.

Quote from: ashtweth_nihilisti on Today at 04:28:52 AM

Rose you can ask Stefan and other moderators of forums... if you do character abuse and do not stay on topic, then dont blame me when you get banned, EF.com already showed you this reality.

Ash

If 'character abuse' were the criterion to getting banned then you are GUILTY AS CHARGED Ashtweth. I believe it is YOU who insinuated publicly and ON MY THREAD that I am deluded, delusional, paranoid, mistaken, confrontational, culpable, debilitated, deranged, addled, to be ignored, to be dismissed and to be ABUSED. If that is not character assassination then I've truly lost the plot and you are right. I must therefore be delusional.

The thread topic is NOT about replications. How dare you impose your preferred theme on my work.

IF indeed, character assassination is the litmus to getting banned or not - then first on that list is you. Unless it is that this assumed POWER that you assure us you have - actually entitles only your rights to indulge in this blood bath. The rest of us must be quiet? While you set to and do your damndest?

I am absolutely NOT guilty of character assassination. I deal with proven facts. And when I state that Glen is a scoundrel I do it with this caveat. "It is my opinion that Glen is a scoundrel" There is no law in any land anywhere that I know of where one's opinion cannot be freely expressed - unless it's China or various autocracies in the Middle East or elsewhere. Which may explain why it is that our members here jealously guard their rights to freedom of speech. Clearly you look to deny these my rights.

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #18 on:** August 23, 2010, 08:34:51 PM »

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Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on August 22, 2010, 08:14:33 PM

Guys, also, while I'm on the subject. It seems that Ashtweth has got some considerable clout with both the EF.com Admin and with OU.com. I get the distinct impression - actually because he claimed as much - that he need only say the word and anyone that he nominates will then be banned. Personally I find this troubling - in the extreme. I always thought that both forums were independently owned. It means that I will indeed need to get his approval to post and his approval on what I post. If this is true - then I wonder if Stefan could perhaps advise us - in due course - and when he returns from holiday. I think that if Ash is some kind of authoritative administrator or perhaps even a shareholder on both forums - then that should be more openly acknowledged by Stefan. At least then we'll all know.

I also get it that he feels free to advise you that I'm deluded, delusional, paranoid, troublesome, but somehow 'not ALL bad' and for that matter that there may even be some residual 'good' in me. Not only is this in rather bad taste but I very much doubt that he's a qualified practising psychologist or psychiatrist. Which means that his diagnosis is possibly flawed and may first require some professional support before I or anyone need get unduly alarmed. Quite apart from the excessive bad taste of his comments and his manner of relaying them - is the added indignity that I was obliged to endure while he determined the manner in which this thread needed to be conducted and the subject to be imposed on it. And all this under the imminent threat that I do not underestimate his power. He also advised Stefan - on an email copied to me - that his work has DWARFED my own contributions to OU. Here he's right. Everyone has dwarfed my own contribution. I have nothing to offer other than a reasonably clear insight into electric current flow. How that is eventually used is entirely not in my expertise. Truth is I'm expert at nothing.

But here's the point of this post. If he is right - and if indeed, he succeeds in getting me banned - then I have this to say in my defense. I am concerned that you are all fully alerted to the actual history of this technology and it's multiple and changing fortunes. It's been grossly abused. On and off these forums. Personally I see it as a measure of how desirable the technology is - in a kind of perverse and obscure way. But, in the event that I do disappear again - for those who I know follow these fortunes - then look for me on Scribd. Here too Glen posted that I had 'plagiarised' his work. Unhappily for Glen, they also investigated the allegation, as did our academics. And they too decided to ignore his complaints and then reposted our paper. It's unlikely he'll be able to intervene there again. They've got his number - so to speak.

I am not sure to what extent I've managed my warnings regarding Harvey and Glen but hope, that at it's least you all see some need to deal with their advances with a bit of circumspection. But it is already evident that the most of you already realise this. The truth here is that I am not qualified to tell you what they think or even what their intentions are. I only know that they lied to and about me, that they're lying about this technoly. Some of those lies I can prove. Others - based as they are on pure allegation - I can do absolutely nothing about.

But having said all that I think this subject can now be dropped. I feel better for airing my views on this subject. Unless I get another 'attack' from any of them I think this matter is entirely closed. And apologies for this diversion. I just felt that the 8 hour attack that I endured yesterday still needed a summation.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary
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Rose you can ask Stefan and other moderators of forums... if you do character abuse and do not stay on topic, then dont blame me when you get banned, EF.com already showed you this reality.

Ash

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #19 on:** August 23, 2010, 08:37:42 PM »

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Quote from: ashtweth_nihilisti on Today at 10:22:53 AM

>I reserve the right to object to secret conspiritorial efforts by Glen

One more LIE or post like that Jib, energetic forum Admin , Arron ,Glen Harvey and my self Ashtweth will make a case yo remove you from the forums. Stefan can choose what he wants, it will effect what a lot of people who have witnessed you spread this disinformation feel

You got removed for a reason Rose and i dont want to hear your lies any more , and its not just me more thin 5 people can testify to your behavior you are giving us grounds to remove you TRY ME. Post one more thing insinuating that. We need it for our public records

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Hi all. I'm not sure that it will serve any purpose but I'm going back to this post with specific reference to the following.

>One more LIE or post like that Jib, energetic forum Admin , Arron ,Glen Harvey and my self Ashtweth will make a case yo remove you from the forums.

And this with specific reference to my right to defend myself in the face of an attack.

>I reserve the right to object to secret conspiritorial efforts by Glen

The implication here is that I am lying and that Glen did not message the members here. I now have SUBSTANTIAL proof of all those messages and with everyone's permission will be forwarding these to Stefan when he returns from holiday. The only one I no longer have was the message he sent to Chet with that 'link' to an 'adult' site owned by someone called Fuzzy Tom Cat. It apparently featured someone called Ainslie. But, notwithstanding any evidence to the contrary it seems that this was a result of one of those amazing co-incidences in this strange world of ours. Glen must have found himself in the grips of randomness - and a remarkable series of typing errors. One would need to be a fool to believe this. And, strangely Ash, Jibguy, Harvey et al - are entirely satisfied with Glen's denial of being the author or of sending the link. Which says much about their intellectual abilities. But - in all fairness - Glen did explain it as evidence that the name Fuzzy Tom Cat must be popular. I trust he sees now that it is not. And Ashtweth seems to think that Glen does not 'message' our members notwithstanding the evidence and their own statements to this effect. And then - I am accused of LYING when I mention this?

I may have said this already. But in case I haven't here it is again. It is my opinion that Glen is a scoundrel.

So. Moving on. Perhaps Ashtweth can advise me where exactly it is that I 'LIED' that now requires my BANISHMENT from public forums devoted to Free Energy?

Regards,
Rosemary

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #20 on:** August 23, 2010, 08:39:19 PM »

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Right now Rosemary your fate on the free energy forums is in question, Energetic forum adim , 5 individuals who have never seen your COP 17 replicated can testify to your questionable FALSE LIES and behavior(why Admin banned you) and WE are all putting a case to remove you from distracting open source engineers. Plus making them look stupid by questioning 5 people and admin from a forum.

Glen, Harvey, MYSELF, Aaron and jib (who you have offended with wasting time with false accusations and can all testify) have all testified to making this case now.I warned you to talk about technology and not make false assumptions. Just cause Stefan is behind the 8 ball ATM does not mean you will be tolerated.

It was recommended to Stefan that even after offending pioneers in the open source community and getting banned form the energetic forum that you ONLY discuss the technology, but you have no technology, no COP17 , your name is not in the mosfet heater circuit as i dont see you reproducing the same results, just causing slander and wasting posts

As a result I Will be recommending that if you dont reproduce what Glen has or Aaon has done, your slander and inaccurate false posts HERE are fare grounds to either being moderated or removed as it was already in EF.com fourm your time wasting which 5 people can testify too is of no use here, and your slander is going to result in more banning you.

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Quote from: nievesoliveras on Today at 02:46:59 AM

At this time I cannot afford to buy such a scope.
I will see what happens.

Jesus

Hello Jesus. I realise these scopes are expensive. But you'll usually find that they're available at universities and technical colleges. Maybe take your rig there and ask if you can borrow their equipment? Most university colleges are happy to 'assist' if the interest is to further science. Just a thought.

But let me know if I can help in any way.

Kindest regards,
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Quote from: vonwolf on Today at 04:46:58 AM

She's only defending herself you should be proud of your self you got her kicked off EF, now you want to follow her over here and threaten her. I guess all your talk of open source and freedom of speech don't apply to those that don't agree with you. It's very sad

Thanks for this Pete. All support much appreciated.
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Quote from: vonwolf on Today at 05:36:57 AM

Oh ya I'm high and mighty, your right you don't know me but that doesn't stop you from discounting anything I have to say.But ya I'm "high and mighty"

Pete

LOL. I think we're being assured here that the highest and mightiest is not about to brook competition.

Pete - it's a tough world out there and right now there's a battle of representative authority on some rather desirable technology. And standing between that representative authority is myself and some earnest need to keep it open source. The more that rally the better. But I get it now that OU.com has some discerning readers and discerning members. It's a comfort.

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Quote from: ashtweth_nihilisti on Today at 10:22:53 AM

>I reserve the right to object to secret conspiritorial efforts by Glen

One more LIE or post like that Jib, energetic forum Admin , Arron ,Glen Harvey and my self Ashtweth will make a case yo remove you from the forums. Stefan can choose what he wants, it will effect what a lot of people who have witnessed you spread this disinformation feel

You got removed for a reason Rose and i dont want to hear your lies any more , and its not just me more thin 5 people can testify to your behavior you are giving us grounds to remove you TRY ME. Post one more thing insinuating that. We need it for our public records

Ashtweth Palise

I can't believe that your threats and disinformation are welcome here on OU dot com.

There were threats...call them what they are really. Have the guts to say what your posts really mean.

IF, as you say, there is nothing to see here, then why are you here? Why are you making these threats? If there is nothing to see here then just go away and let it be what it is.

I really do have to question your motives now....after reading your posts. This is getting beyond ridiculous. If everyone is wrong, and you are correct, then let it go and post somewhere else.

Why did you have to follow her over here to make your point? Was it not enough that you got her banned from the EF ?

What is your purpose here? Is it to suppress really good info? Is that what you are doing?

Or, is it something else that we do not know about?

If you do not agree with what Rose posts....move on and let it go. The fact that you CAN'T seem to do that speaks volumes to me...and many others.

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Quote from: Pirate88179 on August 22, 2010, 03:43:44 AM

First, I am not on anyone's "side".

Second, don't do what to Glen? He is the one pm'ing everyone about another forum member behind their backs saying terrible things and as a PI, I do recognize underhanded tactics when I see them. As I said before, this does not help his case at all, whatever his case may or may not be.

Also, no offense intended, but what part of "Glen please do not pm me ever again" has anything to do with you?

This is supposed to be open source and if pm'ing behind some member's back is part of the open source creed, I would like to see where that is written.

Again, no offense intended but I was not directing any of my posted comments at you.

Bill

Hi Bill,

You got the same PM as every one else .... and I hear some pride in your ability as a investigator

Did you by chance "look" at the links provided you

http://cid-6b7817c40bb20460.office.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Mosfet%20Heater
http://cid-6b7817c40bb20460.office.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Ainslie
http://www.energeticforum.com/84279-post1.html

Anyway .... Rosemary Ainslie is the "MODERATOR" of the thread here "EDIT" city and I said my piece at Energetic Forum and almost got banned there .... there were 7 people involved in the IEEE submittal she references how many have posted here in support of her ...... zero (0)

the best link, if you actualy read it ...

http://cid-6b7817c40bb20460.office.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Mosfet%20Heater/Legal%20-%20Notes

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----- Original Message -----
From: <info@esmhome.org>
To: <ainslie@xxxx.co.za>; <hwgramm@xxxxx.com>; <fuzzytomcat@xxxxxxx.net>
Cc: <ashtweth@xxxxx.com>; <totl@xxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:11 AM
Subject: Forum

Greetings,

Unfortunately, there are still numerous posts occurring on the forum
that contain unnecessary disagreements between certain members.

It is obvious that there are conflicts that are not going to be
resolved any time in the near future.

The forum is a place to share and learn. Questioning is fine if it is
done with respect, but we have seen that this is not what is happening
here.

It is possible to share your work without speaking of each other?s.

We ask from now forward that you do not reference or question the work
of each other (Rosemary, Harvey, FuzzyTomCat) in any posts on
Energetic Forum or via Energetic Forums Private Messaging.

To be quite clear, you are welcome to share your work, your ideas,
your results. Just do NOT reference each others work, ideas, results.

Each one of you is valued on the Forum, however, the Peace and good
nature of the Forum have been interrupted and this cannot continue.

There are four admins to the forum, Aaron is one of them, however he
has wisely recused himself on this matter. The three others admins
have made this decision.

To repeat, it is our place to make sure the good nature of the Forum
is maintained. We believe that is possible by simply posting about
your own work and in no way referencing (directly or indirectly)
anyone else with which you have a conflict.

If you do (reference anyone that you have a conflict with), you will
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Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #22 on:** August 23, 2010, 08:43:09 PM »

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Quote from: Pirate88179 on August 22, 2010, 03:43:44 AM

First, I am not on anyone's "side".

Second, don't do what to Glen? He is the one pm'ing everyone about another forum member behind their backs saying terrible things and as a PI, I do recognize underhanded tactics when I see them. As I said before, this does not help his case at all, whatever his case may or may not be.

Also, no offense intended, but what part of "Glen please do not pm me ever again" has anything to do with you?

This is supposed to be open source and if pm'ing behind some member's back is part of the open source creed, I would like to see where that is written.

Again, no offense intended but I was not directing any of my posted comments at you.

Bill

Hi Bill,

You got the same PM as every one else .... and I hear some pride in your ability as a investigator

Did you by chance "look" at the links provided you

http://cid-6b7817c40bb20460.office.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Mosfet%20Heater
http://cid-6b7817c40bb20460.office.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Ainslie
http://www.energeticforum.com/84279-post1.html

Anyway .... Rosemary Ainslie is the "MODERATOR" of the thread here "EDIT" city and I said my piece at Energetic Forum and almost got banned there .... there were 7 people involved in the IEEE submittal she references how many have posted here in support of her ...... zero (0)

the best link, if you actualy read it ...

http://cid-6b7817c40bb20460.office.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Mosfet%20Heater/Legal%20-%20Notes

Best Wishes

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #23 on:** August 23, 2010, 08:45:23 PM »

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Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 22, 2010, 10:14:17 PM

this is merely your opinion and opinions are like arsholes... everyone has one, and everyone thinks everybody else's stinks.
i hope you won't mind then when i apply this ideal to all of the things you have talked about but never practically demonstrated...
why don't you step up? and as far as the ONLY WAY... do i even need to go into how fallacious this kind of wording is? enough with the NEVER and ALWAYS and ONLY hyperbole...

have at it.

rosemary, i wouldn't worry too much about ashtweth. he thinks he holds more sway then he really does, and i doubt he holds any over stefan. even if he does, i can and will set you up with a forum that is most definitely not under the sway of anyone.

WilbyInebriated, my recommendations are just that to Stefan about keeping things on topic,something many better experimenters who contributed other than you including my self did for months which is why your reading about it today, so dont fool your self about what you think you know or think about me my friend,

Trust me on that
Ashtweth

WilbyInebriated · « **Reply #24 on:** August 23, 2010, 08:58:08 PM »

i never trust anyone who says "trust me"...

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Quote from: Pirate88179 on Today at 12:46:24 PM

Glen:

Congratulations, you are finally posting in the open instead of "secret" pms. You are actually maybe making some progress. This is much less underhanded than your previous attempts. I salute you for this giant step forward.

Bill

Hi Bill,

It appears my Posts are gone again but I took images of them for the record ..... I'll have to ask Stefan where these went ??

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk15/fuzzytomcat/001_01_001.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk15/fuzzytomcat/001_02_01.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk15/fuzzytomcat/001_04_01.jpg

WilbyInebriated · « **Reply #26 on:** August 24, 2010, 03:36:43 AM »

i googled 'ashtweth panacea' and what comes up right on the top???

Panacea and Ashtweth declare war on Bedini and Freidrich
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3371.0;wap2

it's a typical ashtweth rant, puffing up his chest and beating on it, saying 'look what i'm doing', 'i'm an altruist', 'what about the children' and making a general mess of things based upon what he was fed, but the ironic part is the apology by ash at the end where he talks about how "this does not make it right but should make me look like enough of an ass to never react the same way again." apparently it did not... as once again he is ranting and wrong.

my personal favorite part is how he calls rick friedrich "RICK HEAD" over and over and then tells him "don't put a mocking post in this group EVER again, your[sic] among MEN here mate."

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #27 on:** August 24, 2010, 06:12:14 AM »

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Hi Greg /ALL

Some one like Omnibus with the needed scope, (a person who does not have 13 post behind him) could do well, we offer to send him a board as an independent and tune other boards for others, just a reminder that those who discuss the technology only and want to take us upon this offer will get results sooner, we are here to help tuning and Glen has the best experience so far. Mean time i am still trying to source a 200hmz scope to tune boards for others to test, its a very cheap circuit.

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Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #28 on:** August 24, 2010, 06:47:32 AM »

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Quote from: gmeast on Today at 02:33:25 AM

Hi Ash,

not sure what's meant by "(a person who does not have 13 post behind him)" but anyhow, is there a board layout of Rosemary's circuit available? Has the precise design of the resistive heater/inductor been pinned down (diameter, wire size, turns, etc)? Also, there are several 'grades' of 555 timers available as well as the other parts. I know the circuit is simple, but I have seen (and so have you) what's supposed to be identical replications of other devices wherein one works and the other does not. Then someone finds (for example) that if they use a Fairchild part instead of a Texas Instruments part, it suddenly works.

I'm just trying to identify an inarguable methodology to further Rosemary's cause (in fact everyone's cause).

Just for the record, information was posted by me to Greg to help him with the circuit and was deleted by Rose.
This matter is currently being taken up with Stefan.Greg has answered on record testifying to this.

Ash

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 24, 2010, 07:42:50 AM »

Ash:

Leave Stefan alone. The man is on a well deserved vacation ok? Do not bother him with your crap.

Thank you,

Bill

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