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Author Topic: Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.  (Read 20094 times)

mramos

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Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.
« on: April 23, 2006, 04:04:50 PM »
I have looking outside of my normal searches over the last week.  I see a lot on this simple to make unit called the Joe Cell, yet I do not see a lot about it here.
Has anyone made one, the stainless is the hard part to find local. 

Is this unit a hoax and that is why it is not here?  I realize it looks to good to be true. But years ago build the, "condenser" as I see it has a name now, for my fuel enjected car and still to this day use it, if I keep it clean, get an extra 40-50 miles per tank.  I would have never thought that would have worked. Simple to make.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2006, 10:42:44 PM by mramos »

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Re: Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2006, 04:38:37 AM »
I have watched about ten videos of the Joe Cell in operation and probably have a couple of days reading and watching time logged so far.  The Joe Cell is definately for real and is not a hoax. 

I am very interested in developing my own Joe Cell car and am presently looking into doing same.  I just ordered four books from Amazon on the topic and am actively looking for a sound carburated car with an aluminum block engine to experiment on. This can't be all that hard,  but it seems that it could be dangerous without the proper background.  It aappears that Joe may have been lucky to have survived his initial success.  It also appears that Joe would likely be hard of hearing at this point,  if nothing else.

I have a lot of experience in auto repair and renovation and own several classic cars that I have fully restored and I built a 25' sailboat many years ago from scratch,   plus I have a pretty good theoretical background,  so I should be able to tackle this project successfully.  I also have a good friend who is well versed on steam engines and another with a machine shop.

From all that I have read on the Joe Cell and having followed the Cold Fusion debate since 1988  and have been an avid reader of Infinite Energy Mag since Dr. Gene Mallove first brought it out.  I now am fairly convinced that the Pons & Feischman experiment is a specialized form of the Joe Cell (not the reverse).  This would account for the problems that scientists have had in replication.  Since the Joe Cell has been developed almost entirely from the empirical side by hands on,  creative people,  it seems to me that it is quite a bit further along in development and amounts to a very sophisticated Cold Fusion reactor.  There have been several scientists along the way who have suggested that the Cold Fusion device did not hinge on heavy water... so we have dueterium and palladium left.  The Joe Cell produces deuterium on its own and may be a much better developed environment than the palladium cathode which allows the reaction to move up.  The addititional use of a water jacketed aluminum  piston engine may have been a case of extreme luck.  Without the work that Joe did,  it may have taken another thirty years before anyone ever got to such a useful application as an actual engine.

The Joe Cell is worthy of a lot of attention and quickly.  Joe accomplished where the scientific field failed when demonstrated that  he was able to predict and duplicate virtually every phase of this reaction precisely. 

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Re: Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2006, 01:32:17 PM »
I can state with certainty that this is a most difficult system to duplicate.  I spent probably better than a hundred hours on this project, built three different cells, achieved stage three and never had a motor change its characteristics.  You can pursue this but know that only a few people managed to make one work and all had help from Joe.  Even of those that stated it worked, at least one said the effect only lasted 30 seconds which, imo, was only the gas running out of the carb before it died.

Remember this fellow that demonstrated free energy many times?: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,393.0.html

Even though he would show people what to do while he was there, their devices would not work.  It's basically the same with the Joe cell, without the JOE, it does not work.

Rich

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Offline huuman60

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Re: Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2006, 04:43:48 PM »
You achieved Stage III in a hundred hours ?   And you are complaining?  Let's see, we are talking "free" energy here,  are we not?  I will be ecstatic if I am rewarded with that kind of progress.  As I understand it,  Joe started working on his after the first flukey response in 1991 and the 2 1/2 hr video that I watched with all of his working  cells was made in 1995...   four years.  I'll bet that,  by that time,  he had literally thousands of hours into it.  He was obviously extremely well versed on its working aspects even if his science may have been a bit shakey.  He knew just what to expect and when.  You don't get this kind of knowledge in a hundred hours.  You get your feet wet.  I plan on reading everything that I can get my hands on relative to Orgone Energy and Joe's cell,  and watching Joe's Video ten more times before I start. Being a slow reader,  that is a hundred hours before I turn a wrench.  I  probably read thirty books and talked to every sailor that I could find  before I started designing my sailboat.  I was rewarded with a great sailing,  but not perfect, boat in about three years spare time...  over two thousand hours.   This is infinitely more important than any sailboat.

Considering that the future of our offspring and possibly the planet (though I think the planet will be fine)  is at stake here,  this sounds like a great way to spend my next twenty years of spare time.  I don't see anything out there that is competitive in terms of measurable results, utility,  and real promise in the free energy field. 

In any case, thanks for the warning.  It will help keep me from becoming discouraged.   Now,  let's all get to work and make this thing a viable part of the next generation's life.  We owe it to them after having screwed up this planet like we have.  It is the least we can do. 

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Re: Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2006, 05:14:36 AM »
Yes, I'm complaining.  Why waste resources on something that is known not to give results except to a very few and then not reliably?  And no, Joe didn't have hundreds of hours in the cell when he got the first one to work.  He was trying to get a vehicle to run on hydrogen but made a mistake in where he placed the intake hose from the cell.  So yes, please read and maybe you'll start to see why I chose not to pursue the matter any longer.  I would highly suggest you divert your resources into something with a better chance of success.  But if you choose to waste the next 20 years of your life and the promise of other systems that seem more viable, you are not only cheating yourself but all the others that need our help.

And like others that have experimented with the cell, I've had at least one helicoptor come close enough to my house while the cell was at stage 3 to blow the toys out of the pool and wake-up my in-laws staying in the guest house.  Been there, done that, have the t-shirt.  You act as if I gave-up to early, sheesh.  You go out and buy the 316L pipe in  minimal 20' lengths, pay to have them cut, pay to have them machined and then buy a lathe to polishe them.  Then you put hours upon hours of work into the cells, driving hours to find different types of water.  After you've done that for a couple of years then you can criticise me, until then I suggest you reform your opinion of why I left the project.

You want to read the story?  Start from the beginning:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/joecellfreeenergydevice/  That was my site until I turned it over to someone I trusted.  My screen name was oouthere on that forum as well, and that is my cell on the homepage.  I read every book, article and saw every tape and video that was available before I started my first cell.  This sounds like the same research you INTEND on doing. 

When you get one running, let the world know and I'll offer my deepest apologies for this reply.  Until then, I'd settle down and listen to someone whose been there.

Rich

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Re: Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2006, 12:25:59 PM »
Hi, anyone knows whow to charge the cell? it dont charge only with 12v,
nor only with negative. How to create a magnetic vortex inside the cell only with pure potencial? There are some modifications in the transformer that have to be done. The aether in cell is condensed with a pure magnetic vortex [rotating vortex]. High speed rotating magnets create accumulative aether that resolves in energy and anti-gravity effects. but how we create that vortex in the water cell without current and magnets, only with voltage [pure potencial]?  Please Mail me to: platinix555@yahoo.com

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Re: Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2006, 04:32:02 PM »
OK, here's the deal, Be careful calling this an "Ogone" energy device. Reich's work is far removed from that of Schauberger, and if anything this device is far closer to things that Schauberger did than reich. A lot of people call Orgone the exact same thing as Aether. I doubt that is the case. There are far too many claimes about Orgone that differ from the basic description of Aether IMO to make them the same thing. I believe the device is using Aether somehow at stages 3, 4, and 5. If it's using Aether, we need to be VERY careful about how we use this device. Some folks have reported weather changes, while using these devices at stage 3(vortices), some have reported weight loss in the device and it's surroundings(spacetime warping), some have reported the device failing in the presense of negative energy(entanglement, schroedinger's uncertainty principle? Causality?) after weeks of working, and many have reported it being radio active at stage 3. I've even read one report about a teleportation. This thing is working at the quantum level, folks. And if it's really tapping the Aether/ZPE and causing these effects, one zealous experimenter is all it would take to wipe us all out instantaneously. Don't get me wrong, I think we've got something here, but at this stage we're like a bunch of cavemen playing with C-4, if those reports are true..


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Offline pg46

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Re: Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2006, 06:41:12 PM »
Hi All-

 I think we need a Joe Cell section all on its own now. Can we do that moderator?

 You know that there is a lot of trashing of the MIB, the nasty govts, big oil etc. etc. and rightly so for the most part. We all want the freedom to move about in our cars as cheap as possible and do whatever we want, go where we want and when we want. Who wants to be controlled by Gov'ts and big oil ?? However if this argone energy or whatever the heck it is proves out to be half of what they claim it is then you can't blame gov'ts and others from trying to keep it out of the average guys hands. It might be kinda  like each of us suddenly having nuclear energy to muck around with in our garages and back yards :o
 Its one thing for a few of the boys in the outback of Australia to rip around in pick up trucks on free energy to save a few bucks and have a bit of fun but if it gets in the hands of the wrong crowd then who knows what kind of catastrophe could happen?
 For example, this stuff(argone) is supposedly able to drastically effect weather patterns- yikes!

 It's seems that the hydrogen cat is out of the bag now and nobody is going to get it back in there. The various gov'ts seem to be now allowing the hydrogen technology to develop without too much of their regular hanky panky. But they seem to be a tad touchy regarding this here argone stuff - hmmm... wonder why?? Probably because it's pretty darned powerful stuff.
 Having said all of this, I will continue to investigate this interesting project. Here is a website with much helpful info in that regard.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Bill_Williams'_Joe_Cell

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Re: Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2007, 09:53:48 PM »
100 hours of work for achieving overunity and still complaining for wasting his time .. more than a year passed after that post and i wonder what miracles he had achieved in this 100 times 100 hours of time ..

is not that baloon experiment in which they used such a small electricity a good proof of overunity ?
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Re: Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2007, 05:45:38 PM »
100 hours of work for achieving overunity and still complaining for wasting his time .. more than a year passed after that post and i wonder what miracles he had achieved in this 100 times 100 hours of time ..

is not that baloon experiment in which they used such a small electricity a good proof of overunity ?

Apparently you didn't read the post accurately.  I NEVER achieved over unity.  The Joe Cell is not an over unity device, only a non-fuel vacuum powering device.  My cells never did power a vehicle or increase the fuel mileage.  Yes, there were strange phenomina associate with the electrical items around the Joe Cell at stage three but never anything that would lead me to continue throwing money and time it's way.

Rich

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Re: Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2007, 07:05:48 PM »
Apologies for being ignorant, I'm new, however;

Firstly, these Joe Cells, are they the same devices as Stanley Meyers was producing?

Secondly, how much product (I believe they produce Hydrogen and Oxygen?) do you get for the input of how much power, for example, x volts at y amps produces z ml of combined gases. I realise this information is probably available in books, but i though i'de ask anyway, if it is, which books?

Thirdly whats all this about effecting the weather? isnt global warming sort of what we are trying to avoid? ;)

OK, thats me, feel free to ridicule my Noobishness.

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Re: Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2007, 11:07:14 PM »
Hi ,
I live in Joe cell country,
they dont work as claimed despite hundreds of attempts world wide. At best they are a hydroxy generator. No one has a vehicle that is powered only by a joecell that can be demonstrated as self running. Some have been documented as one of instances of doing so.
I know people who put years of effort , both scientific and non scientific.
A lot of stories and mythology surround not only the Joe cells but many other devices.
As much as i hate saying it there is no real value in going down this path.
There are a few Yahoo sites if you want a few days reading on Joe Cells.
Kind Regards
Mark

 

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