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Author Topic: OverUnity Prize may be way too small  (Read 10712 times)

Offline spacetrax

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2009, 07:11:11 AM »
Sooo...are you going to fight against each other or spend 10 bucks for the OU Prize?
Stefan Hartmann said it also here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5707.msg129890#msg129890

It is not my idea.

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2009, 07:11:11 AM »

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2009, 07:09:51 AM »
The prize has not been awarded because it is impossible to win. If such a device were possible you'd win the Nobel prize and money would not be a problem.
There are plenty of sites offering large sums for such a device but their money is safe.


@ blueroomelectronics

The prize has not been awarded because of the hooks that come attached to it.        If everyone was serious about getting this type of technology out to the world then we would be looking at credible ways to help the developers of these technologies achieve THEIR goals, as well as ours.   

Lets say hypothetically that I had a functional overunity device right now.    At the pre production prototype stage,   or even lets say its as far advanced as a simple easily manufactured magnetic motor/generator, the size of a dishwasher that could power a domestic home.     Whats next...

Most of you will probably say release it to the forum, and dont worry about the returns, as they will come.    But lets also say that this hypothetical overunity device has taken over $100,000 and five years of my time so far to develop, and that I have bills to pay and a family to worry about, and that I was hoping that after solving the worlds energy problems I might get some return for myself.

Am I going to see $10,000 as an attractive return on my investment of time and money?....   NO
Am I likely to believe after 5 years of everyone putting down my efforts that things are suddenly going to change, and the corporates will pay me a royalty because its the right thing to do.... NO

Although the humanitarian in me believes that the technology should be freely available to those who want to build one for themselves, the realist in me believes that if the devices are going to be commercialised by the major corporates, and they will be, that I as the developer should get compensated for my invention

If the device is open sourced the truth is that it ONLY the corporates that will profit from it.

I have heard over and over in these forums that people will all build their own devices, so it won't be the corporates that profit from it.   Thats rubbish... lets see a show of hands... how many of you built your own toaster... the technology is not that hard... or did you all wait for the corporate machine to build them for you.    Sure some will build these devices because they have an interest in it as a fun project, the other 6 Billion people will wait for the corporate manufacturing companies to build them, which they will do in mass, making billions of dollars, with no return to the inventor....   That is the reality of open sourcing a device which has to be manufactured, as opposed to software.

So as the inventor of this hypothetical overunity device, what are my choices.

Patent the device... The truth is that an overunity device could be worth billions of dollars to the major corporates, so it will be challenged, or just blatantly be copied, and unless your patent is EXTREMELY well written, filed in every country on the planet, (total cost over US$500,000) and is backed up by a very competent legal team, (add another US$500,000 to the cost) it is not worth the paper it is written on.

I hear a lot of glib comments like "if it could be done you would get a nobel peace prize", or "there are lots of sites offering big dollars" etc etc....    Well how about you geniuses that have all the answers get together and produce some factual, detailed plans on how an inventor of these types of devices can get to these large prizes, without losing their intellectual and commercial rights.     Finding some experts on patents, and international licencing, to prepare a "how to manual" to give to the developers would be far more attractive than $10k

The reality is that once you have developed an over unity device there is no way to move forward right now, unless you want to give your work away.

In my humble opinion, if you are serious about getting this technology released to the public, then you need to find a way to help the developer to protect the commercial and intellectual interests in their products, so that they can release the technology for humanitarian purposes in a way that does not harm themselves....  after all with out them you wouldn't have the device in the first place.

Magnamotion

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2009, 07:13:39 AM »
The prize has not been awarded because it is impossible to win. If such a device were possible you'd win the Nobel prize and money would not be a problem.
There are plenty of sites offering large sums for such a device but their money is safe.



@ blueroomelectronics

The prize has not been awarded because of the hooks that come attached to it.        If everyone was serious about getting this type of technology out to the world then we would be looking at credible ways to help the developers of these technologies achieve THEIR goals, as well as ours.   

Lets say hypothetically that I had a functional overunity device right now.    At the pre production prototype stage,   or even lets say its as far advanced as a simple easily manufactured magnetic motor/generator, the size of a dishwasher that could power a domestic home.     Whats next...

Most of you will probably say release it to the forum, and dont worry about the returns, as they will come.    But lets also say that this hypothetical overunity device has taken over $100,000 and five years of my time so far to develop, and that I have bills to pay and a family to worry about, and that I was hoping that after solving the worlds energy problems I might get some return for myself.

Am I going to see $10,000 as an attractive return on my investment of time and money?....   NO
Am I likely to believe after 5 years of everyone putting down my efforts that things are suddenly going to change, and the corporates will pay me a royalty because its the right thing to do.... NO

Although the humanitarian in me believes that the technology should be freely available to those who want to build one for themselves, the realist in me believes that if the devices are going to be commercialised by the major corporates, and they will be, that I as the developer should get compensated for my invention

If the device is open sourced the truth is that it is ONLY the corporates that will profit from it.

I have heard over and over in these forums that people will all build their own devices, so it won't be the corporates that profit from it.   Thats rubbish... lets see a show of hands... how many of you built your own toaster... the technology is not that hard... or did you all wait for the corporate machine to build them for you.    Sure some will build these devices because they have an interest in it as a fun project, the other 6 Billion people will wait for the corporate manufacturing companies to build them, which they will do in mass, making billions of dollars, with no return to the inventor....   That is the reality of open sourcing a device which has to be manufactured, as opposed to software.

So as the inventor of this hypothetical overunity device, what are my choices.

Patent the device... The truth is that an overunity device could be worth billions of dollars to the major corporates, so it will be challenged, or just blatantly be copied, and unless your patent is EXTREMELY well written, filed in every country on the planet, (total cost over US$500,000) and is backed up by a very competent legal team, (add another US$500,000 to the cost) it is not worth the paper it is written on.

I hear a lot of glib comments like "if it could be done you would get a nobel peace prize", or "there are lots of sites offering big dollars" etc etc....    Well how about you geniuses that have all the answers get together and produce some factual, detailed plans on how an inventor of these types of devices can get to these large prizes, without losing their intellectual and commercial rights.     Finding some experts on patents, and international licencing, to prepare a "how to manual" to give to the developers would be far more attractive than $10k

The reality is that once you have developed an over unity device there is no way to move forward right now, unless you want to give your work away.

In my humble opinion, if you are serious about getting this technology released to the public, then you need to find a way to help the developer to protect the commercial and intellectual interests in their products, so that they can release the technology for humanitarian purposes in a way that does not harm themselves....  after all with out them you wouldn't have the device in the first place.

Magnamotion

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2009, 07:13:39 AM »
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Offline utilitarian

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2009, 10:42:20 AM »
The whole question is absurd.  A working overunity device would be valued in the trillions of dollars, at least as far as the value of the invention to humanity.  Obviously, the inventor would not be able to sell it for that, but given a decent patent, he ought to be able to profit quite handsomely still.  So anyone interested in profiting would take the market value of the invention.  Anyone wanting to give it away, would give it away.  $10K is a non-factor one way or the other.

Realistically, the prize is not even $10K, because that $10K is in the form of unsecured pledges.  So when it comes time to pay, only some small fraction of the pledges would be collected.  And some of these pledges go back how many years?  Try tracking all those people down.  Oh, and all we have are their screen names.

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2009, 10:59:44 AM »
I have wonderd many times what would happen when it comes to payment.....
I do NOT think Stefan will be able to raise the money in 3 months.
We call that a "dead bird" over here.
Given the social value of this competition, i think this game should be rendered more serious.

Marco.

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2009, 10:59:44 AM »
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Offline BEP

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2009, 12:45:57 PM »
No one should be banned for voicing opinion. That is ridiculous.

However, make your opinion known and then shut up. You are interfering with my entertainment  :P

I know it feels good to repeat your cranial capacity or lack thereof. Some wish to collect souls under their flock? Others primarily lurk waiting for an interesting circuit or mechanical design they can stick on their web page for sale.
Not much of that posted anymore. Not because it wasn't OU or not of value but because they will receive nothing for their efforts.

@Magnetmoti

As we say here "You hit the nail on the head". Your statement about disclosure is the most correct I've seen to-date. Those not believing it are welcome to learn on their own.

A legal document is only worth the weight of your lawyers in camel dung. Anything else is B.S.

« Last Edit: February 11, 2009, 01:38:37 PM by BEP »

Offline Paul-R

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2009, 04:00:03 PM »
I think you are missing it.  Think of an OU device like a magic genie lamp, where upon a rubbing, a genie comes out a gives you wishes.  This is surely incredibly useful. 
Blueroomelectronics and Utilitarian:

At a guess, I would respectfully suggest that you have heard of
neither Hal Puthoff nor Lee & Yang (Nobel Physics prizewinners
for 1957). Nor have you read Chapter 1of the Patrick Kelly book:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

If this is true, I respectfully suggest that you do some homework.

Paul.

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Offline Cairun

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2009, 08:18:35 PM »
even if it is raised to 100,000 USD it would still be way too small considering what you can get with a working device.

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2009, 11:40:45 PM »
I think that the amount the prize has risen to, clearly shows any inventor of such a technology, exactly how much the 19528 members of this site, (not to mention the thousands from other associated sites) really want to support someone in their efforts.

Lets face it... If the free energy community was serious about raising a couple of million dollars to advance these projects, given the number of active members, and the surrounding networks, it should not be that hard.

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Offline htg

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2010, 10:39:57 PM »

it is too hard to make a OU device at home. We are not even able to make regular solar cells at home.
What if all members donate 10 USD for the prize, in order to bring it over 100.000 USD?
Funding is needed to build an OU device. I know how to build a practical OU device, but I need at least $300 000 to do it.

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2010, 12:26:18 AM »
Funding is needed to build an OU device.


Funding is not needed to build an OU device.

The things you need are Time, some research, creativity and technical insight.
You also need Materials&Tools.
And pherhaps a strong will.

As you can see most of those things are basically for free, exept for the materials and tools.
But not much people have them all, and that is the reason why they do not suceed.

And there is a BIG difference between knowing how to build something and actually building it.....some people will know what i mean by that.

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Offline mscoffman

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2010, 02:25:19 AM »
Funding is needed to build an OU device. I know how to build a practical OU device, but I need at least $300 000 to do it.

The prize is not meant to be payback for building a device but
only as a token of the fact that someone very knowledgeable in
the field with certain consultative resources has validated several
important characteristics of the device. It's basically bragging rights,
but can be leveraged during the early design lifetime of it.

Also, there are other prizes like this from other organizations, I'd
win these too if I could.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Offline JasonD

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2010, 05:19:46 AM »
Well, in my opinion... if a goal seems unattainable, and "asks" for donations... it is a scam.

To reduce the "scam" feeling, since no-one has actually submitted anything, and no-one has, or possibly ever will create such a device, with harsh limits, beyond the scope of anything ever invented in our human life-time...

Lower the limits to something realistic, and obtainable.

This contest has us trying to beat all the history of humanity, for a few bucks. For creating something that is obviously beyond any prize. If you seriously wanted to "get us to work together and create this"... Change the rules to, "the most efficient device, closest to unity", for a title-prize, and a monthly dollar prize.

This contest does not say, or indicate, or to any extent... encourage development. It offers a petty reward, for creating the unfathomable, and dropping a copy into your lap... so you can say you invented it? (Because you know that none of us would have shown anyone but you, once it was submitted. Or you are just expecting people to keep donating to the magic-lamp fund, for personal gain.)

I have taken down many websites that had good intentions, but poor judgement. (Most were illegal, and they didn't like getting audited by international authorities for over-seas scams. When you collect currency across a border, that becomes a federal action, hope you have those proposed winnings in a bank-account, because a lottery/contest held in multiple countries, has international laws that your country can not offer you protection for.)

Though, I am not suggesting that this contest is a scam... I am only questioning the intent of the contest, which is not reflected by the contest rules, which has zero participants and many donations... even after a year.

It is a contest... I doubt that you would find others helping me win... Unless that wasn't the goal. However, I could see others helping me perfect my submission, or all of us working on a singular submission... completely altering the contest beyond the original proposed scope.

By the way, they already have a national grant, in almost every country, which will be awarded to anyone who makes an actual perpetual motion device, and another grant for an over-unity device. (That sort of makes contests like this illegal, by some extents, unless you are a documented, "not for profit" or "non-profit" organization.)

But you would know that, if this was a serious contest... as you would have looked into the legalities, being so smart. Unless this is not serious, and just for fun, in which case, most likely making this a scam with no intention of giving an actual reward, or returning any of the over-unity devices, since it is, "not a legal contest, and undocumented, and not on the records".

Even in a race, you need someone to participate, and one person to finish. With no participants or winners, it isn't a contest, it is a stale gesture without expectation of reward.

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Re: OverUnity Prize may be way too small
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2010, 01:11:39 PM »
I have several free energy devices operating in my home on a daily basis.  Free energy is NOT overunity.  I am hopeful that one day, this will be achieved and documented so the detractors can be silenced.

But, having said that, I know of no documented OU devices operating at this time.  This does not mean there will not be any, but as of this time, this is my opinion.

My topic: What is overunity?  Raised so many differing opinions that it seems no one can agree to agree on what OU is.  If this is really the case, how will we know when we have found it?

This is why I call my devices free energy devices and not overunity devices.

Bill

 

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