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Author Topic: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY  (Read 9168 times)

UTiLeeTY

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NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« on: August 15, 2010, 12:52:05 PM »
Dear Members of overunity(dot) forums and fellow seekers after new working technologies,

... may I introduce my new project?

Codename: UTiLeeTY's NaLi GeaRS.

Any information you may jet know of, is based in following data_archive, which is online for download:

http://www.wikiupload.com/YCM1mX42

Some structural information on that:

1. First, you may show an .AVI file, which is an simulated video of my idea.
There is an quad-gate concept (4x gates, or 8x magnetic rows) involved, it is showing some schematic action.

2. Next, you may read an attached .PDF file (.ODT is raw source file, so of
a bit better quality), which include some technical information and pictured examples.
You may find a double-gate principle (2x gates, or 4x magnetic rows),
hopefully coherently explained.

3. All other data (Maya_ascii, .OBJ and .DXT) should be just 3D-Models for propriety understandings of
dimensions of all the components. You may need respective 3D editing program for viewing these sources.

All the information you see is willingly declared as Open Source by founder UTiLeeTY and is now intellectual property in public domain.

Status of invention: theoretically is anything ready to go for building some prefabricated parts, to develop first working sample and do some
measurements, then some tuning on completed device.

Well, please feel free to ask questions or to leave critiques.

We will be happy to start and develop some replications and tunings on that device, too.

Best wishes,

UTiLeeTY

P.S.: Fellow replicators, especially Whipmag: you may just need to replace your rotory wheel with one of NaLi GeaRS kind to do some first tests ;).

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Re: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2010, 05:43:40 PM »
Thank you for sharing.

Looks great.

Question: What casues the stators to spin??
Please forgive the question if the answer is too obvious.

Rich

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Re: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2010, 07:34:38 PM »
Looks great. Where can it be seen in action, however?

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Re: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2010, 08:34:27 PM »
I am glad to receive some response on topic  ;D.

@ragnew:

You can see a stators moving in a magnetic gate (V-Gate or SMOT like gate), based only on attraction.

BUT there are more then one stator per gate and they
just switch polarity, if they pass trough sticky point  ;).

On the way, magnetic field of one stator which jet passes sticky point should be much lower than magnetic fields of all other stators on one respective magnetic gate!

I guess, air gaps may be here of much advantage, where each gate just 'starts'!

@Omnibus:

Sorry, but we have not build a working device jet.

But we just on it  :D.

Voluntary replicators are heartily appreciated!

Anytime you may need help for construction purposes or just questons then please ask for it.   

Best Wishes,

UTiLeeTY

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Re: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2010, 09:11:34 PM »
You mention that unfortunate Whipmag. How do you envisage the stators to be changed for it to work? Sounds like a worthless pursuit. Have you tried it? I have one and I'm willing to try your approach if it isn't too complicated to make. Probably you can contact @CLaNZeR too. He did a lot of work on that and he has the tools to easily make the additions needed. By the way, he also put a lot of work on that proposal with the slanted magnets on the rim, very similar to what your rotor is.

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Re: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2010, 09:47:56 PM »
You mention that unfortunate Whipmag. How do you envisage the stators to be changed for it to work? Sounds like a worthless pursuit.

Really, thank all your guyz first who ever made a whipmag replication and have shown your findings on videos or pictures.

You rock a lot and your replications are truly awesome!

@Omnibus:

If you've read my .PDF file, you could see 2 magnetic gates on 2 rotor wheels (there are just 2 magnetic rows per 1 wheel, too).

What I meant was to replace NOT stators
BUT you may replace just the 1 rotory wheel  (=WhipMag) with one of NaLi GeaRS type.
(You can keep all the stators like they are, ever more than better; please read rotor to stator rule in .PDF file, 2nd page I guess).

It's like if you would mix V-Gate (or SMOT) like device with a WhipMag prototype ;D.

Of course, stators may be adjusted while testing the device.

There must be not only 2 rotors, 1 wheel with 2 mag. rows with variable polarity (= part of NaLi GeaRS effect) will do it too.

Edit: Well, really complex is it not. All you may need to mill, were 3 parts of plastic rotors.

The middle part includes just piercing holes; not much precision at all and they may have some 'play', too.

Then both other parts, preferably from plastics, will need a bit more precision, because a shift between each bar round magnet 'profiles' should be like 0.2 - 0.5mm. I used 0.3mm (or 1/3mm) in my example  ;).

Otherwise, you may need bearings of your choice and ring/torus magnets from WhipMag project; smaller ones have preference, I guess.

Best Regards,

UTiLeeTY
« Last Edit: August 16, 2010, 10:10:01 PM by UTiLeeTY »

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Re: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2010, 09:57:47 PM »
Will be interesting to see what you mean by actually making it. Stators are the four small cylinders, right?

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Re: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2010, 10:18:36 PM »
Will be interesting to see what you mean by actually making it. Stators are the four small cylinders, right?

@Omnibus:

Well, I tought of something like 4+ stators PER gate rule;
so if you have usually 2 gates on 2 wheels (or 2 rows on 1 wheel), you may need at least 8+ stators  ;).

You can see it very clear in my .PDF file, page 8, last page I guess.

Greetings,

UTiLeeTY

BTW: time for bed, then see you all tomorrow  8).

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Re: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2010, 11:42:03 PM »
@Omnibus:

Well, I tought of something like 4+ stators PER gate rule;
so if you have usually 2 gates on 2 wheels (or 2 rows on 1 wheel), you may need at least 8+ stators  ;).

You can see it very clear in my .PDF file, page 8, last page I guess.

Greetings,

UTiLeeTY

BTW: time for bed, then see you all tomorrow  8).

Yeah, I see it. So, I will wait for you to make it and show it how it works.

UTiLeeTY

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Re: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2010, 09:56:15 AM »
Yeah, I see it. So, I will wait for you to make it and show it how it works.

Thank you a lot, Omnibus  :D. We may just go for it too.

Please feel free to ask for help or questions.

Best Regards,

UTiLeeTY

After EDIT:

By the way, ... is anyone out there wanna 'sell' his non-working WhipMag replication?

Of importance were bearings, case and may be some ring/torus magnets for stators (at least 4 of them). Thank you for your offer.

« Last Edit: August 17, 2010, 09:27:56 PM by UTiLeeTY »

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Re: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2010, 06:02:17 PM »
Hello everyone  ;D,

... after some endless weeks of finding a competent manufacturer and letting him finish all the 3 parts of my NaLi_GeaRS prototype (I was waiting for it approximately for 4 weeks or so  :-X), I finally can hold them in my hands ^^.

Anyway, I just cannot wait to stick them alltogether and make some tests. I guess, it will happen on some nearly weekend if I'll find some time off, don't really know...

Well, till then I've got few pics for you to show:


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Re: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2010, 06:05:05 PM »
... and couple more:

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Re: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2010, 06:07:48 PM »
Oh, really appreciate your critique and possible updates  ;D.

Many thanks for your concern.

BTW: sorry for not sooo well pics quality, I tried to make it quick and it was my low pixel mobile cam ^^.

Best regards,

UTiLeeTY

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Re: NaLi GeaRS by UTiLeeTY
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2010, 05:38:33 PM »
Hello again  ;D,

...  after some testing time I have found out that it happens something weird with my concept.

Exactly, at magnets placement in an arc type magnetic row such as V-Gate on a wheel. Of course, there are always the same magnets in the row/ magnetic gate.

Following issues I could monitor lately:

(For quote:
     - torque is some ability of a stator magnet to move in direction from 1st. magnet to the last magnet
    - backdraft is jast flipped torque ability of a stator magnet to move in direction from last magnet to the 1st. magnet (also backwards).)

-> where the gate starts/ at first magnet in row:
    - gaps before 1st. magnet included, I noticed
more torque than backdraft
-> in the middle of the gate:
    - torque is pretty much the same than backdraft
-> where the gate ends/ at last magnet in row:
    - there is more backdraft then torque

So, IMHO, there is some much important issue in case of causing 'trouble' in moving on one direction (of torque) than only sticky point, namely backdraft(!).

Therefor, to prevent or even to reduce influence of backdraft is the half way to overcome that sticky point!

By the way, the original V-Gate magnetic row build style is not the way to go in my design.

Moreover, looks like normal axially magnetized magnets dont want work out well on me.

I may be really keen to your opinions on that ... :), soooo ... what can you say on that matter?

Well, it is time to find out other ways to build my device.

Let's put some new theories into practical use :D!

Best Wishes and thank you for advices,

UTiLeeTY