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Author Topic: What is over unity?  (Read 40507 times)

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #60 on: August 17, 2010, 05:30:00 PM »
So, mass is conserved but chemical bonding changes (re-arrangement of the molecular structures). In other words you treat the resistor as some kind of fuel. Take coil, for instance. When a limp of coil burns mass is conserved but various changes occur with the bonding. That's pretty trivial. This isn't overunity.

Let alone, no such re-arrangement takes place whatsoever. That's unfounded to no end.

This is a bit difficult to follow.  Do you mean a 'lump of coal' or do you mean a lint of cotton from a bobbin coil?  But either way.  Yes.  I don't have to speculate on this.  I know.  There is absolutely NO change to the atomic structure of that lump of coal or that lint of cotton in the event that they burn.  Their atoms remain intact.  Even when we are exposed to a nuclear explosion atoms remain in tact.  Unless only that the applied force is that strong that it can bring about fusion within the atoms themselves.  That would need to be particularly hot and that level of heat is only assumed to be naturally available in our suns. 

The atoms themselves do NOT change.  In an electromagnetic interaction there is NO predicted change to any of the atoms.  In a chemical interaction there can be a redistribution of charge - related to the valence electrons in the outer energy levels of those atoms.  But that's it.  The atom and it's nucleus will remain pretty much in tact in the face of, and notwithstanding some considerable disruption to their bound state and to their locality.  That's mainstream science.  I'm proposing nothing new here.

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Re: What is over unity?
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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #61 on: August 17, 2010, 05:38:27 PM »
Rosemary, you are totally confused. Learn what fusion and what fission is first before getting into discussion about that. Even before learning about fusion and fission, learn what atomic structure is as opposed to molecular structure. Read even the earlier chapters of a physics book to find out what work is and how it is related to force and so on and so forth. I'm afraid that participant who told you to first acquaint yourself with some basic stuff was right. I didn't know at the time the situation was that bad so I didn't side with him. There's no need to fill a forum like this with your confusion, self-righteous at that. Sorry for the strong words but there's a point when you have to hear them.

It's absolutely hilarious that one should preach about dark matter and claim big discoveries when he or she is obviously unfamiliar with the basic principles of physics and chemistry. One who cares about these disciplines and their advances cannot be polite about pointing this out.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #62 on: August 17, 2010, 05:45:37 PM »
Rosemary, you are totally confused. Learn what fusion and what fission is first before getting into discussion about that. Even before learning about fusion and fission, learn what atomic structure is as opposed to molecular structure. Read even the earlier chapters of a physics book to find out out what work is and how it is related to force and so on and so forth. I'm afraid that participant who told you to first acquaint yourself with some basic stuff was right. I didn't know at the time the situation was that bad so I didn't side with him. There's no need to fill a forum like this with your confusion, self-righteous at that. Sorry for the strong words but there's a point when you have to hear them.

LOL Omnibus.  You again ignore what I've written and then post a lot of irrelevancis that claim AGAIN that I know not whereof I speak.  I submit - with respect - that it is you who need to learn from your books.  When you can show me a lump of coal that has any variation to the atoms after burning - then indeed I will be happy to go and revisit what little I know about physics.  There may be the evaporation of some of the gases trapped in that coal.  But what you are left with after combustion is EXACTLY the same number of atoms and molecules in that coal that were there to begin with.  Some of the carbon may have escaped into the air and it may have bonded with oxygen.  The variation to their localities are, potentially infinite.  But there is NO change to their atomic structures.  The only variation apart from locality is in the bound condition of the amalgam. Fire somehow 'unbinds' that bonded atomic condition.  The thing that was previously an identifiable amalgam.

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Re: What is over unity?
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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #63 on: August 17, 2010, 05:49:41 PM »
LOL Omnibus.  You again ignore what I've written and then post a lot of irrelevancis that claim AGAIN that I know not whereof I speak.  I submit - with respect - that it is you who need to learn from your books.  When you can show me a lump of coal that has any variation to the atoms after burning - then indeed I will be happy to go and revisit what little I know about physics.  There may be the evaporation of some of the gases in trapped in that coal.  But what you are left with after combustion is EXACTLY the same number of atoms and molecules in that coal that were there to begin with.  Some of the carbon may have escaped into the air and it may have bonded with oxygen.  The variation to their localities are, potentially infinite.  But there is NO change to their atomic structures.

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Who says otherwise? Of course the atoms remain the same when a lump of coal burns. The overall mass too. What's the point?

The resistor remains the same in every way as well, not only its atoms. All the experience we have with resistors proves that. There's absolutely nothing to that and no overunity can be expected from that fact.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #64 on: August 17, 2010, 05:53:01 PM »
So, you think the resistor is losing mass when current passes through it, is that it?

Here's the relevance Omnibus.  You asked me a question.  I've now answered that question.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #65 on: August 17, 2010, 05:53:07 PM »
See, here we go again:

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The only variation apart from locality is in the bound condition of the amalgam. Fire somehow 'unbinds' that bonded atomic condition.  The thing that was previously an identifiable amalgam.

Learn first what amalgam is before talking about it. There's no amalgam forming due to burning of coil. What is this banter about?

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« Reply #66 on: August 17, 2010, 05:56:00 PM »
Here's the relevance Omnibus.  You asked me a question.  I've now answered that question.

What kind of answer can that be based on terminology and concepts you're obviously unfamiliar with? None, of course. Like I said, before juggling with big words and claiming discoveries you have to become familiar with the basics of science which you demonstratively are not.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #67 on: August 17, 2010, 06:06:30 PM »
See, here we go again:

Learn first what amalgam is before talking about it. There's no amalgam forming due to burning of coil. What is this banter about?
LOL - you're absolutely right.  I have actually defined 'amalgam' in my thesis - not here.  Let me address that.  An amalgam is here used in the sense that anything with a three dimensional structure is considered to be an amalgam.  It applies to solids and liquids and - in special cases - molecules. 

Now return the favour.  What is this burning of coil?  Do you mean coal?  If so.  Then again.  The coal is the amalgam prior to burning.  Thereafter it is disassociated carbon atoms loosely assembled in an identifiable 'ash'.  It has LOST it's bound condition. 

And why do you call this 'banter'?  It's way too important.  LOL.

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« Reply #68 on: August 17, 2010, 06:08:29 PM »
The pursuit of overunity is not about destroying science and its achievement but is to further science. There are well-established and well-understood concepts such as the nature of electric current, what chemical bonding is and how it differs from what atoms are, what fusion versus fission is, what is work, what is force and how they are related, what amalgam is and so forth and so on. In the pursuit of overunity we should build on these basic concepts and not get into frivolous banter just because some of the participants haven't taken the time and effort to understand them.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #69 on: August 17, 2010, 06:12:11 PM »
What kind of answer can that be based on terminology and concepts you're obviously unfamiliar with? None, of course. Like I said, before juggling with big words and claiming discoveries you have to become familiar with the basics of science which you demonstratively are not.

You will need to be precise here lest our readers assume you're ducking behind a slew of unsubstantiated allegations. 

What terminology and concepts are you referring to?
What 'big words' am I using?
What discoveries am I claiming?
What aspects of basic science do I not understand?
Where am I demonstrably unfamiliar with these basic concepts?


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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #70 on: August 17, 2010, 06:14:04 PM »
LOL - you're absolutely right.  I have actually defined 'amalgam' in my thesis - not here.  Let me address that.  An amalgam is here used in the sense that anything with a three dimensional structure is considered to be an amalgam.  It applies to solids and liquids and - in special cases - molecules. 

Now return the favour.  What is this burning of coil?  Do you mean coal?  If so.  Then again.  The coal is the amalgam prior to burning.  Thereafter it is disassociated carbon atoms loosely assembled in an identifiable 'ash'.  It has LOST it's bound condition. 

And why do you call this 'banter'?  It's way too important.  LOL.

Coal isn't amalgam period. On the other hand current is directed flow of electrons. Period. Misunderstanding of terminology and frivolous attributing irrelevant meaning to it is not a discovery.

I don't know what the exact situation is but now I don't really believe you did the experiments yourself. Someone must have helped you in that too because the experimental results are the only part that deserves attention in your work. I don't see at that level of understanding of the basics how you could have possibly done proper experiments.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #71 on: August 17, 2010, 06:16:33 PM »
@Rosemary
Do you supply energy to the resistor just to change its molecular structure? Will this change in structure propel anything with more energy than you put in?

More questions:
If you heat a resistor with electricity (In this case), the material will expand. Maybe you can use both the heat and expansion to do work?

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #72 on: August 17, 2010, 06:17:04 PM »
The pursuit of overunity is not about destroying science and its achievement but is to further science. There are well-established and well-understood concepts such as the nature of electric current, what chemical bonding is and how it differs from what atoms are, what fusion versus fission is, what is work, what is force and how they are related, what amalgam is and so forth and so on. In the pursuit of overunity we should build on these basic concepts and not get into frivolous banter just because some of the participants haven't taken the time and effort to understand them.

And here.
Where am I destroying science and its achievements?
Where have I discussed fusion versus fission
Where does my knowledge of the forces vary from mainstream.
Where does my knowledge of work vary from mainsteam
Where exactly do you regard my efforts here as 'frivolous'.

And my last question.  Where have you been officially appointed as the arbiter of Over Unity and how it should be advanced or even expressed?  What Omnibus are your credentials.  Tell us.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #73 on: August 17, 2010, 06:19:15 PM »
You will need to be precise here lest our readers assume you're ducking behind a slew of unsubstantiated allegations. 

What terminology and concepts are you referring to?
What 'big words' am I using?
What discoveries am I claiming?
What aspects of basic science do I not understand?
Where am I demonstrably unfamiliar with these basic concepts?

You don't know what work and its relation with force is. You don't know what chemical bonding is and how it relates to conservation of mass and the structure of the atom. You don't know the difference between fusion and fission. You don't know wht amalgam is. You don;t know what the nature of electric current is. Is that enough?

You're using big words such as dark matter before caring to acquaint yourself with the basics of physics and chemistry as i noted above.

You're claiming overunity which you have no background to sustain.

Your posts, especially the most recent once are a demonstration of glaring gaps in your understanding of basic chemistry and physics as I repeatedly pointed out.

You should know your deficiencies and should not bother experts with your irrelevant banter because it harms everybody who cares about overunity to be taken seriously. Colleagues associate thouse who study overunity with people like you and try to avoid them like the plague. Honestly, I don't blame them. One only has that much time on Earth to waste it with straightening out confused people who don't even want to listen.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #74 on: August 17, 2010, 06:20:20 PM »
Coal isn't amalgam period. On the other hand current is directed flow of electrons. Period. Misunderstanding of terminology and frivolous attributing irrelevant meaning to it is not a discovery.

I don't know what the exact situation is but now I don't really believe you did the experiments yourself. Someone must have helped you in that too because the experimental results are the only part that deserves attention in your work. I don't see at that level of understanding of the basics how you could have possibly done proper experiments.

You haven't answered my questions.  And you continue to use spurious excuses to dismiss my work.  But I've learned to expect that from you Omnibus.  You do not know how to argue your statements - only how to state your opinions.  They're boring, with respect.  When you can actually refer to what it is you've determined with reasonable example and with reasonable argument then I'll be inclined to believe that you're as well qualified as you pretend.  Until then I see these opinions as interesting but - nonetheless - irrelevant.

 

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