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Omnibus

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2010, 04:36:43 PM »
Rosemary,

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Over unity is the measure of energy delivered from a supply or many supply sources that is less than the energy measured to be dissipated as a result of that energy transfer.

but this means that part of the dissipated energy has come from no pre-existing energy supply, right? I've proved in three different ways that there are conditions where it does happen. In the case of electrical circuits which is of most interest to you, you may read about it in the Steorn thread, I told you that already.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #46 on: August 17, 2010, 04:41:13 PM »
Rosemary,

but this means that part of the dissipated energy has come from no pre-existing energy supply, right? I've proved in three different ways that there are conditions where it does happen. In the case of electrical circuits which is of most interest to you, you may read about it in the Steorn thread, I told you that already.

Publish it in a peer reviewed journal and I'll be happy to read your proof.  Until then I simply cannot buy into the concept of Over Unity resulting from No other energy source than the supply.  It makes no sense.  It never will.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2010, 04:41:58 PM »
Sorry - duplicate posting.  I keep doing this. 

Omnibus

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2010, 04:46:18 PM »
Publish it in a peer reviewed journal and I'll be happy to read your proof.  Until then I simply cannot buy into the concept of Over Unity resulting from No other energy supply source than the supply.  It makes no sense.  It never will.

But you said it even yourself that it can. It is implied in your previous posting in the excerpt I cited.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2010, 04:50:31 PM »
But you said it even yourself that it can. It is implied in your previous posting in the excerpt I cited.

I have NEVER stated that OU is the result a single supply source.  I have only claimed that OU is the result of the latent energy in the resistor that is somehow potentialised by the current that first flowed through it.  In other words the resistor itself becomes an energy supply source.  Strictly speaking my predictions conform to classical requirements more stringently than is even required by you electrical and chemical engineers.  It just does not conform to equivalence principles that assumes the only energy available is from the supply.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2010, 04:51:05 PM »
Overunity, if you really mean it, implies that either part or the entire amount of the produced energy has come from no pre-existing energy source. I said energy source but it doesn't mean the energy has come out of nothing because it definitely has come out of other physical components (other than energy). Say, the produced energy source may have come out due to the spontaneous displacement under the action of a force. Force isn't energy and yet when there are conditions for spontaneous displacement what is produced is work (energy).

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2010, 04:52:06 PM »
I have NEVER stated that OU is the result a single supply source.  I have only claimed that OU is the result of the latent energy in the resistor that is somehow potentialised by the current that first flowed through it.  In other words the resistor itself becomes an energy supply source.  Strictly speaking my predictions conform to classical requirements more stringently than is even required by you electrical and chemical engineers.

If that's the case then it isn't OU and presents no interest. That would be trivial.

Let alone that there is no such thing as latent energy in the resistor.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2010, 04:58:33 PM »
Overunity, if you really mean it, implies that either part or the entire amount of the produced energy has come from no pre-existing energy source. I said energy source but it doesn't mean the energy has come out of nothing because it definitely has come out of other physical components (other than energy).

Say, the produced energy source may have come out due to the spontaneous displacement under the action of a force. Force isn't energy and yet when there are conditions for spontaneous displacement what is produced is work (energy).

You're losing me Omnibus.  Over Unity relies on the measure of more energy being dissipated at a circuit than is delivered by an energy supply source.  There is no known 'FORCE OF DISPLACEMENT' that I have ever learned about.  The forces relate to electromagnetic forces, gravity and the strong and weak nuclear force. These are known and accepted by mainstream.  What is not yet acknowledged or understood is the force from Dark matter resulting in Dark energy.  That is yet to be incorporated.  I know of no other forces.  Not anywhere.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2010, 04:58:53 PM »
The above is obviously an opinion and you should restrain from further pushing it in this way trying to make it look as truth. You may repeat it 100 times but it will still remain an opinion.
No, it's not an opinion. It's the truth as long you haven't been able to prove anything yet. When it comes to you, I know it doesn't help to repeat this 100 times, because you have already decided that you're right, and are too scared to rethink your "prove of over unity". I know you are wrong, and that is good enough for me, but I find it very refreshing to argue with you once in a while ;D

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #54 on: August 17, 2010, 05:00:51 PM »
If that's the case then it isn't OU and presents no interest. That would be trivial.

Let alone that there is no such thing as latent energy in the resistor.

If there was no latent energy in the resistor then E would NOT equal MC^2.  Are you proposing the Mass does not have energy?  That would be a really exotic branch of physics to develop. 

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #55 on: August 17, 2010, 05:03:41 PM »
You're losing me Omnibus.  Over Unity relies on the measure of more energy being dissipated at a circuit than is delivered by an energy supply source.  There is no known 'FORCE OF DISPLACEMENT' that I have ever learned about.  The forces relate to electromagnetic forces, gravity and the strong and weak nuclear force. These are known and accepted by mainstream.  What is not yet acknowledged or understood is the force from Dark matter resulting in Dark energy.  That is yet to be incorporated.  I know of no other forces.  Not anywhere.

So you don't know that displacement under the action of a force is work, correct?

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #56 on: August 17, 2010, 05:05:20 PM »
If there was no latent energy in the resistor then E would NOT equal MC^2.  Are you proposing the Mass does not have energy?  That would be a really exotic branch of physics to develop.

So, you think the resistor is losing mass when current passes through it, is that it?

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2010, 05:06:05 PM »
No, it's not an opinion. It's the truth as long you haven't been able to prove anything yet. When it comes to you, I know it doesn't help to repeat this 100 times, because you have already decided that you're right, and are too scared to rethink your "prove of over unity". I know you are wrong, and that is good enough for me, but I find it very refreshing to argue with you once in a while ;D

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Don't repeat 100 times your opinion, it will not become truth that way.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2010, 05:13:51 PM »
So, you think the resistor is losing mass when current passes through it, is that it?

NO, not at all.  I know the resistor is NOT losing mass.  I'm reasonably satisfied that in the standard transfer of electric energy there is little - if any - change to the atomic structure of the resistor.  The only thing that changes is the integrity of its bound condition.  For that matter, nor do I think that there's changes to the mass from the supply - be it a motorised generator or a chemical cell.  The difference in the cell is only ever in the re-arrangement of the molecular structures in that cell which vary the distribution of charge and the location of those molecules.  But the mass is entirely conserved - give or take some minor evaporation of some of the liquid - or the escape of some of those gases.

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Re: What is over unity?
« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2010, 05:20:50 PM »
NO, not at all.  I know the resistor is NOT losing mass.  I'm reasonably satisfied that in the standard transfer of electric energy there is little - if any - change to the atomic structure of the resistor.  The only thing that changes is the integrity of its bound condition.  For that matter, nor do I think that there's changes to the mass from the supply - be it a motorised generator or a chemical cell.  The difference in the cell is only ever in the re-arrangement of the molecular structures in that cell which vary the distribution of charge and the location of those molecules.  But the mass is entirely conserved - give or take some minor evaporation of some of the liquid - or the escape of some of those gases.

So, mass is conserved but chemical bonding changes (re-arrangement of the molecular structures). In other words you treat the resistor as some kind of fuel. Take coil, for instance. When a limp of coil burns mass is conserved but various changes occur with the bonding. That's pretty trivial. This isn't overunity.

Let alone, no such re-arrangement takes place whatsoever. That's unfounded to no end.