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tbird

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Re: Self Siphoning Water
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2010, 02:43:42 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: Today at 10:00:17 PM »QuoteQuote from: FreeEnergy on Today at 06:52:13 PMwhich way is the water flowing?


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never mind, i see it now!
when the water reservoir fills up to a certain water level the water gets flushed!


  Hi Free,
 The tall tube on the left would be for back filling it. I modified the drawing to have less waste in it.
Water would flow counter clockwise. One thing this would be testing is if vacuum allows something like this to follow hydraulic theory.
 Not sure who in here is familiar with hydraulics. The basic idea is that the 5 pounds of water in the largr diameter tube would be on a piston that is connected to a piston the one gallon of water is on. This would focus the force of the 5 pounds of water and would push the 1 pound of water higher.
 If vacuum allows for hydraulic theory, then the more water in the discharge tube should lift the lesser amount of water in the inlet tube.


according to the last pic, i would say this would not stay static.  both pipes would drain.  i believe the 5sq.in. still will only allow <1psi.  since the pipe on the right is longer (and has 1psi), it will be the one to start the flow back.  with this help and the large dia of the left pipe (no help with capillary), air will find its way in and the water in the left pipe will now drain.  now you end with empty pipes and a tank of water going nowhere.

how close am i?

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Re: Self Siphoning Water
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2010, 11:51:04 AM »
have a look at this....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heron%27s_fountain

from the page....

"Various versions of Heron's Fountain are used today in physics classes as a demonstration of principles of hydraulics and pneumatics."

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Re: Self Siphoning Water
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2010, 09:25:56 PM »
i am starting to see my system not work.
the top water reservoir will empty out and the bottom tube will overflow with water :-(


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Re: Self Siphoning Water
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2010, 09:15:23 PM »
i just have a gut feeling that the output siphon hose and the input capillary hose must be equal in diameter. it need to putout the same amount it puts in else it will overflow the system making it stop.
there must be a large water reservoir on top,...
this is just my opinion and no test(s) has been conducted yet.
someone may try it before me.

« Last Edit: August 17, 2010, 09:38:51 PM by FreeEnergy »

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Re: Self Siphoning Water
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2010, 09:37:02 PM »
i know siphoning, tests must be made.

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Re: Self Siphoning Water
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2010, 12:38:29 PM »
post results asap!  :-)

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Re: Self Siphoning Water
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2010, 08:13:00 AM »
keep it open source!
and the money should be either for the entire community as a means of improving the community as a whole, or this individual project alone once it works.

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Re: Self Siphoning Water
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2010, 04:39:05 AM »
Too bad its not possible, pressure depends on head not area. but please give it a try. splice two hoses of differant diameters together and give
it a try.
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Re: Self Siphoning Water
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2010, 08:55:23 AM »
Too bad its not possible, pressure depends on head not area. but please give it a try. splice two hoses of differant diameters together and give
it a try.
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will this help?


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did a small change to attached image.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2010, 01:02:30 PM by FreeEnergy »

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Re: Self Siphoning Water
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2010, 01:11:37 PM »
maybe even like this...

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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2010, 04:45:10 PM »
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Re: Self Siphoning Water
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2010, 09:07:10 PM »
isn't a source of vacuum an outside source of power?
you want something that will cause water to run up hill.
out side of a pump which takes power i think your out of luck.
but if you think the size of the hose will have an effect it should be cheap and quick to splice two differant size hoses together
and try it with a couple buckets of water.
or have i completely misunderstood?
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Re: Self Siphoning Water
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2010, 12:19:39 AM »
  Fritz,
 The way I would be trying it at first, is to find out how much vacuum the static head for the inlet needs.
And then I would find out how much vacuum the discharge can create. If the discharge can create more vacuum, that would be the source.
 If not, then it would not work. A vacuum gauge with pump costs $30. With something like this, no guessing would be needed. Different sizes of tubing or pipe could be tested.
 By having a reservoir on top, it nicely seperates the inlet and discharge. This would create a nice visual effect.
i still like my idea, some tape and a couple of pieces of scrap poly pipe would show proof of concept in 20 minutes of work.
as for the vacuum you need thats going to depend on the hieght. but why not do what many people do and just fill the unit with water and cover the ends of the hose till its all in position.
that works well for a single siphon.
but what do i know.
fritznien

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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2010, 03:30:18 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2010, 06:53:53 AM »
very good!