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Offline brian334

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2010, 04:39:29 PM »
Did you ever hear of a water hammer?

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2010, 11:11:32 PM »
Ok I've just read wiki about water hammer. So what ?

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2010, 11:31:07 PM »
one of the first machines i ever designed did this easily, i don't know how yours works, mine was a simple flap valve on the top that opened when it reach the top the tank would fill and sink again, the floating tank was inside a large fish tank, the base of the tank had a hole and a long flexible piece of tube that went out through the wall of the fish tank glass with some simple silicone, naturally as the tank hit bottom it simply pushed a rod that opened the base hole and pushed closed the flap at the top and gravity emptied about half of the water. a better engineer would have had a hollow rod through the hose to allow air in, as mine kept making a vacum, it worked, and you could patent it as it does work and could produce power, but as you can imagine where water flows with gravity for it to be commerciallly viable it must produce more than a hydro setup of equal flow. The patent office will grant a patent on anything that works, it does not have to be practical nor be commercially viable, simply be a novel inventive step and work, the one you just read works, but is simply a toy, anyone wishing to build it do not forget the airline inlet through the outlet hose, and the upper flap had a cork on top that pull the lid closed from above and when in free air the weight of the lid makes it fall open, and stay open until water stops pouring in, the lid of the floating tank had grooves from the outside running to the centre because the top would always be too high out of the water to refill, the rod is simply through rubber gromits from clark rubber. and an aluminium tank sealed with silicone.

I imagine this device has a similar principal, other wise a gravity pump not relying on a downhill freefall could be used for anything, and something much more powerful that this.

Not raining on your parade, i thought mine was the coolest thing ever, and was indeed a novel patentable invention.

Note, I am involved in the design of a hydro project being funded by venture capital, and you can bet the first math that was done was flow rate for work of the new machines of existing hydro before they even looked at it, my input was the physics and mechanical side of the design. The math I leave to everyone else, I knew my design was better simply by flow weight volume over time, what that means in kiliowatts I have no idea. I hope I am wrong and you have discovered something no one else has thought of in this gravity pump.

I like Quinn's idea a lot better. It seems not to be affected by hydrostatic pressure at all. The idea used to empty the tank completely out of water by allowing the air to come in is also great. What am I missing Quinn ? Why do you say it's not a good machine to build ? You say: "where water flows with gravity for it to be commerciallly viable it must produce more than a hydro setup of equal flow". I don't agree with that. In a hydro setup you need a difference in altitude between two levels for the water to fall and "make" power. But this will only work (in a commercial way) if this water falls free in a natural way (you don't have to pump it back to the first level). As for your design, you can place it anywhere. So again... what am I missing ? Maybe I will have to say sorry for not taking you seriously Quinn.
By the way...Did you publish some more info on this anywhere else ? Pictures maybe ? Just asking. Cheers.

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2010, 11:31:07 PM »
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Offline brian334

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #63 on: September 15, 2010, 12:20:06 AM »
Who the hell is Quinn?

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #64 on: September 15, 2010, 12:22:09 AM »
Ok you don't have to answer my last questions Quinn. I know the answer. The trick is... that the big tank will finally become empty ;] All the water will fall out of it through the mentioned flexible tube ;] So no closed loop. Sad. And indeed it acts like hydro setup ;]

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2011, 08:55:25 PM »
Does anyone want to explain why machine #3 will not work?

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2011, 09:38:46 PM »
It is a bit odd to me. I put three patented gravity powered machines on the table and not one of you can explain why they will not work.

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2011, 09:59:59 PM »
To get a patent on a invention the invention must have what the patent office calls utility. Utility means some value. Or to put it differently a invention that does not have any value is not patentable. Therefore the U.S. patent office thinks these gravity powered machines have some value.

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2011, 02:19:17 AM »
if you say these patents of yours are working then show us. It's not us to prove anything here.

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« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2011, 02:31:55 AM »
It is a bit odd to me. I put three patented gravity powered machines on the table and not one of you can explain why they will not work.

Wrong again. I and several others have explained clearly to you why they will not work, you just don't want to believe the explanations. What you don't seem to grasp is that when you empty the water out of the container at depth, THE WATER LEVEL IN THE OUTER "UNIVERSE" MUST RISE. That is, you are raising the container's volume of water all the way up the water column; the deeper you go, the higher you have to raise this volume of water -- that's the force you feel, that you must work against, when you empty the water out of a submerged container. The weight of the water column you are lifting. That takes input of work, the same work, plus a little more to overcome losses, that you can theoretically get during the "output" part of the cycle. None of your three machines will turn on their own, and the fact that you may have had patents granted is proof, not that anything will work or is useful about your ideas, but that the patent system is severely flawed.

Feel free to prove me wrong by demonstrating a model of your patent, turning on its own. But please stop claiming that no one has told you why they won't work, because that is simply not true.

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2011, 03:28:54 AM »
Cola,
If the tank displaces 1 cu.ft. of water and water weights about 63 lbs./cu.ft. and tank falls 10 ft. than to double the volume of the tank at the bottom the tank needs to lift 63 lbs./cu.ft. x 10 ft. = 630 lbs.
And you still cannot explain why any of the three machines will not work.

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« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2011, 03:28:54 AM »
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« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2011, 03:53:09 AM »
Cola,
If the tank displaces 1 cu.ft. of water and water weights about 63 lbs./cu.ft. and tank falls 10 ft. than to double the volume of the tank at the bottom the tank needs to lift 63 lbs./cu.ft. x 10 ft. = 630 lbs.
And you still cannot explain why any of the three machines will not work.

I am quoting your post because it is clear that you don't understand units or calculations very well. pounds per cubic foot multiplied by feet does not equal pounds. It equals pounds per square foot.... which figures into your calculation how?
Once again, your machines will not work because the maximum amount of work you can get from the output side will be equal to the work you have to put in to displace the water to increase the volume of your buoyant container, minus losses.... which, in any buoyancy drive, are HUGE. Not only do you have to lift that water, but your moving parts have to continually push it out of the way as they move.

I recommend that you spend a couple days looking at simple kinematics problems in Beer and Johnston, just for practice. If the units don't work out then you made an error; that is just basic engineering math.

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #72 on: January 13, 2011, 09:05:29 AM »
@Brian
many people (even I) have fallen into the trap of doing the maths wrong. believe me its wrong. However I and very other nay sayer would happy to be proved wrong if you could demonstarte it? i hope you did this before the patent application.
TK
there is a way of doing this...you can do the numbers if you like Tk..using natural osmotic pressures in a tank with stratafied salinity....if you want the details let me know.
Mark

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2011, 11:51:55 AM »
He either has something or he does not.

Put up or shut up. Why be even a little bit nice to this person. He is not what he claims or does not have what he claims. Attention Ho from what I can see.

This used to be posted on the Eskimo web site by some fool that railed on about wacking some kid with a poorly designed seat rail on a school bus. Is that you Brian?

This thread is not even worthy of trolling but hey, at least it is something.. It's been a bit slow lately. Thank God for Lawrence Tseung's cop >280 claim!

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2011, 01:09:53 PM »
cola,
How much does 10 cu. ft. of water weight? 630 lbs.?

 

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