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Offline tbird

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2010, 05:43:38 PM »
hi all,

thanks to the post by the_big_m_in_ok (don't know how i missed it before)...

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If you get an error message like this from Google Patents Advanced Patent Search, try:

http://www.pat2pdf.org

They have a lot more complete database.

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat7770389.pdf

--Lee

i now have seen the drawings and read the patent.

i am still sure your machines won't work.

if you give some real numbers regarding each machine, such as their physical size (overall and each part that does work), the depth they will be working in, expected rpm of generator drive, sealing method (the area that holds the liquid and gas from the surrounding liquid), starting gas pressures, and anything else you know for sure about the machines, i will try to give you exact reasons why they won't work, not just in general.

there is one way you might be able to make your machines work.  instead of using a liquid and a gas, use a gas and a lighter than air gas.  this would take you away from the biggest problem your machines have, overcoming the drag and resistance of a liquid (kills momentum).

check out this airplane....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPbu5UeW4uk.

too cool!!


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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2010, 05:43:38 PM »

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2010, 06:16:33 PM »
Forget machine #1 it will fall to slow to work.
Machine # 2 spins as it falls. Assume machine # 2 displaces 1 cu. Ft. of
water. Water weighs about 63 lb./cu.ft. put a 63lb. lead weight in the bottom half of  the tank. The top of the tank weights about 3 lbs. the total weight of the tank is about 66lbs. Or 3 lbs. more than the water it displaces.  Let  the tank free-fall 10 ft.  How fast will the tank spin? Will the momentum of the spinning 63lb. Lead weight be enough to expand the tank by more
than 3 lbs?

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« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2010, 12:31:59 AM »
brian,

i'm not sure if i have the skills to get the answer to your question.

we would need to know the exact size of the container (for a lack of a better word) the blades are attached to.  as you can imagine, this could be a lot of different numbers.  with each different dimension, will come a different area of resistance on the leading surface(s)  and surface area that would create drag as the container spins.  if you make it long and skinny, the resistance will be small, but the drag area large and vice versa.

also to consider is the surface area of the blades themself.  more surface might give a more positive drive, but would slow down the rotation.  smaller blades would have less resistance, but may not be able to create rotation.  it might just free fall.

just keep in mind, i think, anything you use will have a trade off of some type. 

example;
1) short and fat = small number of turns (threads) to gain extra volume, but would have large surface area resisting direction of movement.

2) long and skinny = large number of turns (threads) to gain extra volume, but would have a good fall rate, depending on how large the blades were.

another thing to figure out is slipage.  i know it is there but i don't know how to figure it short of building it and putting it to the test.

still yet another factor is the material the threads will be made of.  how easy or hard will it be to engage and disengage them.  anything better to make them from than teflon?

lots to consider here without mentioning the capturing and transferring of the power.

i guess i spoke too soon when i said i could give you exact reasons.  i'm sorry for that. 

wasn't that a cool plane?

tom


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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2010, 12:31:59 AM »
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Offline brian334

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2010, 01:28:55 AM »
The volume of the tank is 1 cu. Ft. or 1728 sq.in. of surface area.
Regardless of the shape the surface area is the same.
The surface area and angle of the wings needs to be determined by testing to figure out the maxium efficiency.  The size and angle of the wings might need to change as the tanks fall.

The question is can a spinning and falling 63lb. lead weight increase the displacement of the tank by more than 3 lbs?

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« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2010, 03:10:58 AM »
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The volume of the tank is 1 cu. Ft. or 1728 sq.in. of surface area.
Regardless of the shape the surface area is the same.

not true.  to prove the point, take an empty tobacco can (you know, the one that is oval) and fill it with water.  now squeeze the top until it is round.  can you now add more water (volume)?  did the surface area change?

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The question is can a spinning and falling 63lb. lead
 weight increase the displacement of the tank by more than 3 lbs?

i think not.  it would be nice if you can prove me wrong.

tom

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Re: Patent announcement
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Offline bolt

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« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2010, 04:53:50 AM »
  bolt,
 Do you think anythng like that would have a chance of going ou ?

                                                   Jim

YES for sure indeed i'm not even quite sure because its a FACT it has been done. Beside that patent things today is a huge scam im surprised so many people full for it. When you patent something you are asking the State for permission to use your creativity to go ahead and build something in return for 17.5 years grace or whatever country law says it is. BUT we all have copyright protection under common law world wide for 75 years.

For patent only protection it provides is for blue chip companies. No one else can afford the legal fees to take people to court which often takes 3-5 years or as much money as lawyers can squeeze out of you. And if you make some a TPU and try to patent it what you going to do when CHina starts making them for 100 bucks each?

People need to get a reality check the patent system may once worked over 50 years ago had some credibility but not anymore. I can patent my kitchen table as a UFO and it will pass:) They will only be too pleased to take my money.


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« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2010, 06:17:35 AM »
Bolt:

I agree 100%.  My attorney told me 20 years ago that the average patent defense case cost 1 million dollars. (even back then)  The main thing to think about is that if 5 companies jump your patent and you can only afford to sue 4 of them, then the courts will rule that since you did not totally defend your patent, it is now null and void.

Total waste of time and money. Besides, if you invent something and someone else patents it, they still can not keep you from making them as long as you can prove prior art.  It happened to me many years ago.

Bill

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Offline mr_bojangles

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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2010, 07:48:49 AM »
the common misconception is that the majority of patents have never been proven, some are just schematics, and have never even been constructed

all a patent does is cover you if it does work, it never says it will or does, and it doesn't have to

i could patent a trampoline for use on the moon so that if someday we localize it i could get the royalties



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Re: Patent announcement
« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2010, 11:52:50 PM »
Anyone figure out how fast machine # 2 will spin?

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« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2010, 12:06:30 AM »
If the 63 lb. tank falls 10 ft. I estimate it will spin at 17 ft/sec.

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« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2010, 01:18:12 AM »
I am still waiting for one of you einstein’s to explain why the machines will not work.

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« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2010, 09:39:28 AM »
I am still waiting for one of you einstein’s to explain why the machines will not work.

It was explained already and it is for you to understand the explanation. Noone can understand it for you.

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« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2010, 12:32:37 AM »
I am still waiting for one of you einstein’s to explain why the machines will not work.

Take a syringe. Close it's small hole with a finger. Than just try to suck some air with it by pulling a plunger. It's of course not possible. But it will look like you really suck it - the air portion will get bigger in the tube. But... if you stop holding the plunger it will go back to it's oryginal position. That's because you didn't really suck any air but only changed it's volume due to the change of pressure. If you stopped pulling the plunger, the volume of air returned to it's oryginal state. This property of gases and liquids is called compressibility:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressibility

The same will happen with machine #1. You need to apply pressure to change volume of air in the tank (change volume from almost 0 to something). Now note, that the deeper your machine will flow in the ocean, the bigger will the hydrostatic pressure be - acting on the piston which you want to move by using only gravity force. So... the deaper you go, the more momentum you will gain. But also the deaper you go, the higher the hydrostatic pressure is. Perfect equilibrium.
If you don't know what a hydrostatic pressure is look at the following page. You can move a small red tank using a mouse. You will see what happens (the page is in polish, but this doesn't matter):
http://www.walter-fendt.de/ph14pl/hydrostpr_pl.htm

So as you can see, there is absolutelly no way to make your machines work. It looks interesting at first but that's just it. You should have showed us it earlier, so that you would have more money in your pocket now ;] Why haven't you built a prototype first ? Sorry but that's just stupid acting.

By the way... I'm not worthy to be called Einstein :P

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« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2010, 12:55:38 PM »
Machine # 1 will not work, it will fall to slow.
Machine # 2 spins as it falls.  How fast do you think it will spin?
Also in latter versions of the machines there are breather tubes to the surface to allow air into the expanding tanks.

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« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2010, 02:41:15 PM »
Machine # 1 will not work, it will fall to slow.
Machine # 2 spins as it falls.  How fast do you think it will spin?
Also in latter versions of the machines there are breather tubes to the surface to allow air into the expanding tanks.


brian,

i guess you didn't try the volume test.  too bad you are not here to learn when the chance presents itself.

what do you think the breather tubes will do for the machine?

i don't have faith in your momentum effect in water, but i might offer a way your prop might be used.  have it turn a screw (like a siccor jack for cars) that compresses a spring or some other clever way of storing energy the prop can make to be used at the top and bottom of the cycle.  this way you turn the negative of water to a positive.

tom

 

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