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Offline frankl

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Linden Experiment
« on: April 18, 2006, 12:16:25 PM »
I'm an armchair dabbler with an interest in the Testatika. I'm wondering if any of you folks have attempted to replicate the "Linden Experiment" with the U-shaped magnet and two-metal capacitor.

I managed to obtain (after a lot of searching) some large steel u-shaped magnets and have started doing a few tests.
Wrapping house wire round the magnet about 15-20 times and joining the two ends together, I got a clear dip on the dip meter at around 70 mhz, then two harmonics at 140 and 210. Changing the length of the wire or number of turns did not appear to affect the resonant frequency.

I did attempt to create the capacitor but it didn't produce any voltage (I think I need plexiglas instead of the bit of plastic packaging I used)
My primitive observations are:
1. Its like a magnetic tuning fork producing standing waves, I suspect the frequency will change according to the size of the magnet used
2. I think the distance between the plates (i.e. thickness of the plexiglas) may need to be an accurate fraction of the gap between the legs of the magnet. Having looked at various photos of the machine there always seems to be the same number of plates packed between the legs of the magnet.
3. Somehow it is causing the metals to emit electrons but not in equal amounts (due to some quantum thing) causing a potential difference.

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Linden Experiment
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Offline frankl

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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2006, 05:33:46 PM »
sorry that was misinformation - the frequencies increase with less turns and vary in separation between the harmonics.

Haven't tried changing the length of the free loop to see if that makes any difference.

It seems like their might be a point somewhere between about 20 and 25 turns where the 1st, 2nd and 3rd harmonics are in correct proportion with each other. (i.e. a, a*2, a*3)
Like you're tuning it so both legs are singing the same tune

Offline Steven Dufresne

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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2006, 07:17:53 PM »
Hi Frank,
This is a very interesting test. My guess is that the loop is a lecher line
as in the picture I've attached. Changing the length of the free
loop, and possibly the orientation, would also have an affect on
the frequency. It may be easy to do this is you make the loop
as in this picture.

To make it easy to try different lengths you could do something
like in the picture. Have the ends of the coil that's wrapped around the
magnet be connected to two bare conductive rods. The rods are therefore the
lecher line. To close the end of the line/rods and to vary the length,
simply have a bare conductive cross bar, e.g. a bar of copper, and just
sit this on and move it along the rods (taking your hand off it each time,
or moving it by using an insulated stick so that your body's voltage won't
interfere.) For the spacing between the rods, just make it so you can move
them closer or farther appart. If all the entire setup is sitting on a
piece of wood then you can just rotate the wood for different
orientations. The overall experiment would be tedious due to all the
permutations to try. Start with a Earth magnetic north-south first though,
just in case that's the proper orientation. Just keep your volt meter
attached to the capacitor between the legs of the magnet as you vary
things. You might all of a sudden see a spike!

Possibly what Paul Baunmann realized from this simple experiment is
that if you ran the right frequency through the coil around the magnet
then a voltage would be induced in the capacitor between the legs of
the magnet. The use of the lecher line was how he gathered the energy
and set the frequency with this experiment. With the other machines
he used other means (since there's no lecher line in them.)
-Steve

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Re: Linden Experiment
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Offline frankl

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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2006, 02:22:02 PM »
Thanks for the reply Steve

I was testing with a fairly long loop last night and I noticed a change of about 2mhz just moving the loop round about 120 degrees.
It doesn't seem to matter too much though if the loop is in a big circle or tight together like the lechter wires.

2 rods and a bar seems like an excellent suggestion for tuning it, I'll see what I can rustle up for that.

I still need a better capacitor- I'm now using copper and aluminium foil both about 1/2 mm thick. Can't get plexiglas anywhere so I was thinking of making a thicker plate using resin. Maybe that's what Baumann used to make everything fit so neatly between the legs of the magnet.

I'll put some photos up once I get a better set up.


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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2006, 02:38:49 PM »

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Offline wings

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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2007, 08:51:42 AM »
another effect related to the magnet is the "Magnetic Neutral Center Concepts" - ?Bloch Wall,?

"This is an area where there is no rotational movement and tremendous energy" from:
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/vacuumenergy2.htm 
CHAPTER EIGHT:  KEELY AND THE PHYSICS OF VIBRATION

Probably the coil provide the modulation of this center and on the plates you can have the voltage, see also:   

http://community-2.webtv.net/SkyVessel/MagneticNeutral/

Ciao Marzio

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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2009, 06:54:13 AM »
hmmm,

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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2009, 07:21:16 AM »
if you can figure out how to tune one of those to the natural frequency of the earth, or an octave thereof, perhaps it will generate energy on its own?


as for the center of the magnet -  the flux-lines are so constricted, and close together that they form into a parallel mesh which is for all intensive purposes...  "neutral".
as it resembles the magnetic-eather-mesh of the environment around us.

this is a basic drawing of it, but keep in mind the "lines" represented here in red and blue are actually helix-paths of BOTH N and S, forming a complex mesh.


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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2009, 10:15:31 PM »
Although this thread is very old and I want to clear something up that bothers me. I also needed a place to put this opinion on though I don't want to offend this specific forum by any means, in fact my following critics apply to other internet sites and forums. I am sure many of you know this picture:

http://www.linux-host.org/energy/elinden.gif

There is some text to be found about the Thestatica picture described which describes how the 700 Volt were produced (taken from here http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/lindenexp.htm but you also find the text in german language etc. on other sites):
 Paul Baumann took two small metal plates and put them together with some paper in between (Fig.3) This was like a flat capacitor. Now he placed this "sandwich," holding it with his fingers in the "jaw" of the Magnet, i.e. between the poles. After a short trial to find the best position, he asked the engineer to put the probes of his voltmeter onto the plates. ____'s surprise: there was a voltage of 700 volts indicated! P.B. said, "When you understand this, you know how it works. This is just the beginning."

Now on every website you see this 700 Volt, but in fact, almost no one hast tested out by himself/herself. Please read exactly what Baumann did and repeat this experiment by yourself!

Hint: he hold it like a sandwich between his fingers. Now remember that and keep in mind that Baumann did nothing else than that and put this sandwich - holding in between his fingers - on the voltmeter...

I did this very simple experiment myself and what I found out is that: I had an output of 680. Not Volt - but Millivolt! The operative word is Milli! Obviously this person in the article, who saw the 700 Volt was not able to read the voltmeter correctly and misinterpreted it as Volt instead of the correct Milli-Volt. It is very likely that Baumann also had only Milli-volt and not Volts! Therefore there is nothing magical in that. The principle is based on the row of electrochemical elements whereas the hand - specifically the moisture of the hand plays the most important role. Another one with dry fingers may only reach 200 or less milliVolts.

I tried it out with Aluminium & copper and plexiglass in between and it worked. Also -  there is no need to put it between a Magnet's legs, or even put a spool around the magnets (these are for other purpose I guess, such as oscillation amplifier or else). I also tried it with or without magnet, coil etc. No change. You can test the volts while holding it in the air. The volts stay the same.

While trying to build some objects from free energy devices one will find out, that many websites are really useless. And the same nonsense is being repeated over and over again on other websites - dragging the free energy scene into a mess - simply because most people are obviously too dumb to try out the most simple experiments themselves, and instead spend hours for hours of wondering where this big value had come from...
Please if anyone getting into free energy reads that - try to build simple devices yourself first instead of repeating and posting mistakes from others on new websites.

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Re: Linden Experiment
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Offline Steven Dufresne

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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2009, 12:01:26 AM »
Welcome @gauschor.
On:
 http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/lindentests1.htm
I pointed out that I saw the same thing, measuring as much at 540mV with my fingers and 0V if using a plastic clamp to hold the plates instead. But my conclusion was the opposite of yours, i.e. that I haven't figured out how to get the 700V yet. Perhaps it isn't that few have tried this yet, but that many have tried and chosen a different interpretation than you have. Of course any kind of mistakes or fakery are possible but if we were to go on that assumption then we wouldn't be here.
-Steve
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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2009, 12:55:38 AM »
Hello Steven. Yes, I've read lots of your experiments and appreciate your effort. You are one of the few people who actually puts hand on these experiments. I regret that I named your site at first, since it is obvious that you are working hard on getting some of the energy devices run and explain it as well, and honestly I didn't want to put your site in bad context with my previous post. In fact I remembered so many times having read in forums this thing about 700 Volts from people without even questioning the cause that it got really annoying and I had to post somewhere that people should use their brains.
By the time of posting in here however I couldn't find these awful copy&paste sites anymore but recalled from my brain only a single website which had this text in it, which was yours. This was a mistake by me, and I apologize for that. Any reader will hopefully see that you are not one of "them" anyways.

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Offline Steven Dufresne

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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2009, 01:24:16 AM »
Hi @gauschor,
No worries. I didn't think you were putting my website in a bad light or that you were refering to me as someone who doesn't try things. I just wanted to point out that I saw the same thing you did and had a different interpretation. Thinking about it, I'm glad you're at least making an effort too.
-Steve
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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2009, 10:26:05 AM »
"540 milivolts", ...at how many amps?
"540 milivolts", ...at 10 amps would be just fine.

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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2009, 03:24:36 PM »
"540 milivolts", ...at how many amps?
"540 milivolts", ...at 10 amps would be just fine.

I didn't measure the current but it should be minimal. The 540 millivolts is just the result of an electrolytic battery with the different metals supplying the voltage and the hand acting as the current path. This works without the magnet present. Just take a piece of aluminium and a piece of copper with a piece of paper in between them, hold them together as a sandwich using thumb and finger of one hand and measure the voltage across the two metal plates. No magnet needed. Then as a control experiment clamp the plates together using something nonmetallic, like a plastic clamp, and measure the voltage. In the second case you'll get none.

But given the small voltage, this is likely not the cause of the Linden experiment. I do suspect that the small bias voltage and current path provided this way may be necessary though.
-Steve
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Re: Linden Experiment
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2009, 10:52:20 PM »
Hey wait a minute, is this you...
http://rimstar.org/equip/wimshurst_27cm.htm

Ha, I was just looking at that page before I came in here.

 

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