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Author Topic: Theory for looping magnetic force  (Read 2642 times)

Offline mangyhyena

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Theory for looping magnetic force
« on: July 27, 2010, 11:31:54 PM »
This is a copy and paste from a longer post I put in the half-baked ideas forum.  I outlined how I think both a magnet motor and a gravity motor can be made to run continuously.  I excluded the gravity motor from this post.  I'll say straight out that I don't know if I'm right about this method/theory for looping magnetic force.  I'm putting it in here for others who know more than I do to consider.  If you can see why it can't work please feel free to explain where I went wrong.  No offense will be taken.

"I honestly can't construct a proof of concept model because I have absolutely no mechanical skills and even less equipment that I wouldn't know how to use even if I owned it.  I look at the replications members here do in their home workshops and marvel at the craftsmanship.  If I had those skills I would have already attempted my idea for looping static forces.

My idea has to do with static forces, like gravity and magnetism.  So, let's throw down with it.

We'll do magnets first.

A magnet motor set in repulsion will encounter a gate at one point in the rotation.  That gate will stop the motor by repelling the array and sending the motor backward.  It will take more energy to push through the gate than the motor produced while running just before it was stopped by the gate.  So, a magnet motor will require more external energy to push by the gate and reset the motor than the motor will produce when it's back in it's power band.

This is where most people stop considering a magnet motor to be a viable source of energy.  If we have to use electricity or fossil fuel to power it and we're not going to get more energy out than we have to put into it, it can't produce usable energy, right?  No sense in wasting more creativity or time thinking it through, right?

But, I still think there is a way to make a magnet motor work while still producing excess, usable energy.  We need external energy to make a single magnet motor reset itself so it can again produce energy.  And we need that external source of energy to be greater than the single motor will produce.

Where do you get the external energy required to reset a magnet motor?
You get it from other magnet motors running out of phase.

I propose to link separate magnet motors using a horizontal axle that is long enough and with a big enough diameter to accommodate multiple magnet motors.  The arrays would be fixed to the axle and they would spiral away from the stators.  The stators would hang next to those arrays, fixed to a frame.

Out of phase in this instance would mean setting up the other motors so their gates are staggered from one another.  No two gates happen at the same time during rotation.  If you have, say, ten motors linked to one another, only one motor will encounter its gate at a time, leaving nine motors actively pushing to overcome the one gate.  When motor #1 reaches its gate, motors 2-10 continue to push.  Once motor #1 is reset and back to powering again, motor #2 would encounter its gate.  Motors 3-10, and the newly reset motor #1 would still be in their power bands, providing the external power to reset motor #2.  And so on until all ten motors had been reset and it's time to do it all again during the next revolution.  Ten gates would be encountered at different points during each revolution, but not one of those gates would be any stronger than normal because they're staggered while multiplying the number of motors would multiply the total power for rotation.  How many motors in their power band does it take to overcome a single gate?  I'm not sure.  But increasing the diameter and length of the axle would leave more room for more motors.  A diameter of one hundred and one inches, for example, would leave room for one hundred staggered motors.  A motor like that would encounter 100 different gates during one rotation, but none of those gates would be encountered at the same time.  A motor like that would also have ninety nine motors pushing the rotation while just one gate at a time would put resistance on the spin.  Seems to me that all those other motors pushing would overcome the resistance of just one gate at a time.

The Orbo motors seem to work on this principal, if I'm right.  You'll notice that each plastic disc is on an axle---multiple motors attached to one another and running out of phase with one another.  In those plastic discs are magnets, so you can't see the arrays.  But it looks to me like they're using the same principal I've outlined above.  Just one gate while all the other motors continue to push.  One gate at a time, all the rest of the motors pushing, providing the external energy required to reset each and every motor, one at a time during each revolution.

And, if you go look at the youtube videos
from RobRoy, you'll see his work on magnetic shielding.  It occurred to me that you can shield the stator magnet on the side the first, closest array magnet will approach and shield the first magnet in the array on the side which it will encounter the gate.  What you would have is one shield approaching the other shield, which would reduce the power of the gate.  The first magnet in the array would approach the stator and it would be shield to shield.  Once those two shields pass one another, the other unshielded side of the stator would react with the other unshielded side of the first array magnet, pushing the motor to spin while reducing the power of the gate.

So, by reducing the gate's power through shielding, you can reduce the resistance against the spin.  By adding more motors running out of phase with one another, there should be more than enough external power to reset each motor with plenty left over to produce useful energy for consumption elsewhere.

(continued next post)

OK, so wow.  Reading over my post, that felt like a volcano that had so much pressure inside it just exploded because I've been keeping this inside for a while, now, turning it over and over in my mind.  Or, if a member here can look at my theory and point out some way in which it breaks a law of physics, I guess it would look more like me vomiting a putrid glop of nonsense.   ;D

I do not believe either of these machines would break any of the laws of physics.  These machines would not make power out of nothing.  The push of the magnets against one another is not nothing.  Weights falling due to gravity are not nothing.
What these machines would do if a proof of concept could be demonstrated is force the assumption that static forces can not possibly be looped without adding a different source of external energy to be questioned or reevaluated.  I say assumption because physicists looked at one fact---the fact that a single motor powered by a static force requires more energy to run than it makes per rotation---and threw their hands up and stated that no motor like that could ever produce a viable source of energy.  These two motors would contradict that assumption if they worked.

Also, these two motors I've described are just two examples of a mechanical means to harness the energy from this theory.  I am positive there are other mechanical means to harness it, probably better, more efficient means.  Perhaps units that function more like oil rigs, pushing up and falling down, could be linked to one another out of phase to push a lever that spins an alternator or generator.  Sort of like those crank flashlights where you push the lever to make something inside the light turn and produce electricity to run the light?  Or, perhaps this theory could be applied to a motor that runs on buoyancy---several floats rising to the surface out of phase, the one at the surface forced back down so quickly it's reset and rising again before the next float in the series reaches the surface and using the energy created by the other floats rising to accomplish this.  Don't know for sure.  Again, when it comes to mechanical engineering, I'm quite stupid; a total moron.

But, when it comes to the history of free energy suppression---the techniques the elite use to stomp inventors of free energy devices and who the elite are---and this theory I've proposed---that you get the external energy to run a static force motor from other motors exactly like it linked and running out of phase---I am not a moron.  I don't know about you all, but I've never seen this theory described on the net before now.  At the least, I'm hoping to put forth something that has not been considered before.  Maybe some small part of this will lead to something good or help someone else make their motor run, even if my theory is flawed to the point of unworkable.

It is my opinion that if motors like these work, there is far more energy going into the motor than the motor would produce.  These motors would not change the magnetic thrust or the falling weights into usable energy with 100% efficiency, not even close.  Some of the energy that propels these motors would be lost---more energy would go into the motor than would come out.  This is why I do not believe these motors would break any of the laws of physics.  They would only contradict an understandable assumption drawn from the fact that a single motor using a static force will require an external source of energy that is greater than the individual motor produces in order to keep running.  Also, these machines are not perpetual motion machines.  The bearings will eventually break down and stop the motor, so it will not run forever and ever.

The two motors described could be built from off the shelf parts or, barring that, made from commonly available materials.  Made and/or replicated by someone with mechanical skills, that is.  Moron that I am, it ain't me who will accomplish this.  But I would be willing to help in any way I could.
It is important that the blueprints, parts list, and assembly instructions for a useful, working machine that is easily replicable by local craftsmen be made available to the public, no charge.  Ideally, someone like me who has no mechanical skills would be able to download the plans or take plans on hard copy to a local person with a home workshop, along with all the parts on the parts list, and pay that individual to fabricate the machine from the plans and parts I brought him or her.  From there I would want to pay an electrician to wire the 5-12KW generator that runs off one of these motors to my fuse box at home.  Viola, I'm off the grid and I can pass those plans on to my family and friends so they can get off the grid as well.  And it would not cost me 30K-50K as with a windmill or solar panels.  Grass roots movement.  Get it?  This is how you beat suppression.  Patents and media coverage serve only to alert the elite to what you're attempting so they can step in and shut you, as an individual, down once and for all.  It would be harder for them to do if a lot of people were actively replicating a machine like this and the elites had no idea who was doing it and who wasn't.

I think a large percentage of members here are capable of understanding what I've laid out here.  Even if you're reading this and do not fully understand what I'm proposing here, please copy and paste these posts into a document saved on your computer.  Or make a hard copy of these posts.  When you encounter someone with a knowledge of physics or mechanical knowledge, show them these posts and see what they make of it.
I know there are other members here who are much smarter than I am.  Some of our members here are extremely intelligent and capable of evaluating what I've put forth in this post.  Some members here are even capable of fabricating and testing machines that run on this theory.  If you know some of them, would you copy and paste these posts into an email or PM and send it to them, please?  I would like it very much if this information is saved in several places instead of just sitting in this one place.

My main goal in life is to break free energy suppression by making sure the general population understands why a motor like this works---making it common knowledge within the population.  This is a fifty year or so process toward changing things for the better in this world that has to start somewhere.  Whether or not this theory can be applied, the process of change starts in places like this with people like you who are interested in putting your hands on the problem to fix it.

Lets roll.

(continued last post)

As you can see, I'm trying to lay something out that might help others who are attempting to make a working magnet or gravity motor.  I forgot to share something I had a very hard time finding on the web.  This is in regards to magnets set in repulsion demagnetizing one another.

There is debate about whether or not neo-magnets will demagnetize one another if repelled frequently enough.  I don't know if they will or not, but I've seen enough posts from inventors who claim success in getting constant rotation, but whose magnets they claimed wore out, to think maybe there is something to magnet depletion.

I found a chat room log between two inventors who were working on magnet motors.  One of them claimed success.  When asked about magnet depletion, he said that yes, that is a problem.  He said he overcame the problem by adding attraction into his repulsion motor.  I should mention the chat log was gone when I went back to look at it again.  Probably, the logged chat sessions were set to delete within a few days.  Don't know.

Basically, he said that for every dose of repulsion, you need a dose of attraction.  From what I've learned about magnets, this makes sense to me.

What happens when two magnets are repelled against one another is the atoms in the magnet begin to align.  It's the fact that atoms in the magnet are out of alignment that makes the magnet magnetic.  If those atoms ever align, the magnet will no longer be magnetic.  Heat, for instance, aligns the atoms and demagnetizes the magnets.  (This is my understanding of the way magnets work.  If I'm wrong don't hesitate to correct me.)

What happens when two magnets in attraction pass one another is the atoms will try to go farther out of alignment, up to the material's magnetic potential.  So, a dose of attraction will push the atoms further out of alignment, increasing the magnetic force of the magnet, in theory.

What this guy was saying was that you give a dose of repulsion to power the machine, which does a little damage to the magnet, then give a dose of attraction to fix that damage on the fly.  In this way he claimed magnets could be used for powering a magnet motor without wearing out, or losing their magnetism.  He claimed a one to one dose, but it would be easy enough to give more doses of attraction for each dose of repulsion if the motor is running on repulsion.  Plenty of power for that.

I don't know if this guy was right or wrong.  Both of them could have been completely full of crap, for all I know.  But if they're right it would be best to share that info here where others are attempting to accomplish a working magnet motor.  Hope this helps someone.

Also, I've read about heat issues due to friction.  Heat will absolutely wear out magnets in a magnet motor.

The fix I read about has been suggested several times in different places on the web by people working on magnet motors.

It has been suggested to add an iron band beneath the array magnets to control the flux, which they say is the source of much of the friction that heats the magnets.  Again, I don't know if this is true or not, but if you get a magnet motor turning and run into heat issues, it might be worth trying to fix it.


Where do you get the external energy to reset a motor using a static force to run?
You get it from other motors just like it running out of phase.
Where do you get the external energy to reset a motor using a static force to run?
You get it from other motors just like it running out of phase.
Where do you get the external energy to reset a motor using a static force to run?
You get it from other motors just like it running out of phase.
Where do you get the external energy to reset a motor using a static force to run?
You get it from other motors just like it running out of phase.

And did I mention that you get the external energy to reset a motor that uses a static force from other motors just like it running out of phase? ;D

Or, if someone can explain why this will not work, this is just another unworkable idea for clean, free energy production and it'll be time to get back to the drawing board.  From my research on suppression of free energy, I know others have accomplished motors that run on magnets and gravity, not to mention all the other methods that got suppressed.  Without success, there would be no suppression.  If they could figure it out then so can we, if we stay focused and keep at it. "

I apologize if anything came across as preachy.  That was not my intent.

Hope something in all this helps someone here get a magnet motor working.  I figured there was a 100% chance that I would help absolutely no one if I kept this to myself.  If you find value in this post or you think it might help others working to build a magnet motor, please save a copy and post it at other free energy research sites.  If it's viral-worthy info, in your opinion.

Good luck and please keep working towards a better world.

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