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Title: Energy Reciever design
Post by: Diode on April 18, 2006, 03:11:05 AM
Hi to all those energy device builders-Have any of you had any success in lighting even one LED(any color)?-Diode
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: Tink on April 18, 2006, 03:27:26 AM
Never give up hope Diode!
It is out there i am sure.
Just as sure as the Earth we are walking on is real.
Just some patience. :-)
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: lancaIV on April 18, 2006, 04:26:11 AM
AMEN,or "so wird -ES-sein/werden"

S
  dL
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: Diode on April 20, 2006, 03:42:24 AM
So far-no one seems to have any real designs or demo to post. If you could light one white LED-you could at least make a driveway safety light!-AGD
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: Elvis Oswald on April 20, 2006, 09:52:59 PM
The earth and the ionosphere act like two plates in a capacitor.  There is energy avaliable there... a conductive plate, elevated above ground will become charged.  The key is to bounce this charge around (like a voltage multiplier in a microwave) to amplify the "electronic size" of the plate.... and thereby increasing the amount of charge it catches.

In order to receive energy from a 7.4Hz signal, you'd need a HUGE antenna.  But, amplifying a small antenna should work too.

Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: lancaIV on April 23, 2006, 01:22:15 AM
A windforce-converting generator,using the earth-magnetic-field:
DE3211338 Dr.Giles Pearson,M.A.N
The only problem:
where is,a cheap,source for pure natrium !?
But easier as the development of a little "H.A.A.R.P."-device.
S
 dL
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: UFOresearcher on September 26, 2006, 05:28:04 PM
Quote
But easier as the development of a little "H.A.A.R.P."-device.

Could you write me how?
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: lancaIV on September 29, 2006, 02:23:20 AM
Hallo UFOresearcher,
the description is a part of the "windconverter"-publication,
the real problem is to get pure natrium,
this is not a common commercial product !
Probably the own kitchen-lab ("Kochsalz"-Extraktion) could be a solution !

Sincerely
            Lanca
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: Rainman on November 06, 2006, 09:17:45 AM
here's a video that could help with the LED thing:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6537266223222682967
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: Rydan on August 27, 2007, 09:27:07 AM
Easy experiment to light up a small red L.E.D (not fully but enough to notice)

parts list:

one piece of copper tubing around 10cm long (length isnt important as long as you can hammer it into the ground firmly)
one galvanized (zinc) screw.
2 alligator clips
1 compass
some water

find some firm soil to hammer your copper tube into the ground about half it's length.
grab your compass and find north and align it to your north probe. take note of where south is on your compass and make a mark there and push your screw into the ground, about a foot apart from your copper tube is fine.

copper will be positive, zinc screw will be negative.

add some water to the ground around your probes to boost the current even more if ground isn't already moist or wet.

You should get around 0.85v-1.00v depending on magnetic alignment of probes + other various factors I wont go into for now. The magnetic alignment is important as it increases the current considerably.

connect your L.E.D up and it should light up dimly if you have done it right.

You wont power your house with it, but it is a very simple cheap experiment to demonstrate power from the ground. If you are feeling energetic you could add some sort of circuit and capacitor to collect the charge for later use.

Enjoy :)
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: FreeEnergy on August 27, 2007, 11:01:59 AM
Easy experiment to light up a small red L.E.D (not fully but enough to notice)

parts list:

one piece of copper tubing around 10cm long (length isnt important as long as you can hammer it into the ground firmly)
one galvanized (zinc) screw.
2 alligator clips
1 compass
some water

find some firm soil to hammer your copper tube into the ground about half it's length.
grab your compass and find north and align it to your north probe. take note of where south is on your compass and make a mark there and push your screw into the ground, about a foot apart from your copper tube is fine.

copper will be positive, zinc screw will be negative.

add some water to the ground around your probes to boost the current even more if ground isn't already moist or wet.

You should get around 0.85v-1.00v depending on magnetic alignment of probes + other various factors I wont go into for now. The magnetic alignment is important as it increases the current considerably.

connect your L.E.D up and it should light up dimly if you have done it right.

You wont power your house with it, but it is a very simple cheap experiment to demonstrate power from the ground. If you are feeling energetic you could add some sort of circuit and capacitor to collect the charge for later use.

Enjoy :)


sounds really good! welcome to OverUnity.com.

 i am guessing the bigger and conductive the electrodes are the better results. the aligning and distance is very important  between your south and north. :)

hmm maybe the size isn't that important.

thanks for sharing :)

please tell us more :)



peace 
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: hartiberlin on August 27, 2007, 11:07:24 AM
What is the difference to a Copper-Zinc galvanic cell battery ?
For sure the copper and zinc material is used up
so maybe you can try also a graphite rod instead of the copper,
that would give you at least only one consumable eletrode ?

How much short circuit current do you get ?
Voltage alone is not important, it depends on
the current you can draw with this setup.

Can you draw more short circuit current than 20 MilliAmps ?

Does the short circuit current change, if you change the
position to north or south alignment ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: Rydan on August 28, 2007, 08:50:12 AM
Thanks for the Welcome FreeEnerg.

There's not really a great deal more I can tell you about the experiment, other than it's just an example of how to get a little bit of power output from galvanic action boosted by magnetic alignment. It is true that you could use electrodes even further apart in the electro-potential series to get even greater voltage output. You could also use probes of larger surface area, and putting them futher apart to perhaps increase current. Though there are better materials to use than copper and zinc, they are relatively easy to get hold of and reasonably inexpensive - most people would have a few galvanized screws and maybe a piece of copper laying about. You could use gold and platinum probes and would get quite a nice voltage, but overkill in cost for the power output.

Re: Hartiberlin

Well it's pretty much the same thing, but you get a boost in current from the magnetic alignment. As for actual output current, I don't really know but can only guess it to be around 20-30ma. I could be wrong, but it will light up a red led rated at 30ma from a voltage of around .85-.90v so must be some current there. I know that if you get your alignment in a special sweetspot the current will be continious upto a couple of months as long as you keep the ground moist. The magnetic alignment seems to do two things, boost the current output and also give consistent current output.

If you don't use the magnetic alignment, your current drops considerably to the point where your probes won't light up the L.E.D at all.

Hope this helps. :)


Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: FreeEnergy on August 28, 2007, 09:22:25 AM
Thanks for the Welcome FreeEnerg.

There's not really a great deal more I can tell you about the experiment, other than it's just an example of how to get a little bit of power output from galvanic action boosted by magnetic alignment. It is true that you could use electrodes even further apart in the electro-potential series to get even greater voltage output. You could also use probes of larger surface area, and putting them futher apart to perhaps increase current. Though there are better materials to use than copper and zinc, they are relatively easy to get hold of and reasonably inexpensive - most people would have a few galvanized screws and maybe a piece of copper laying about. You could use gold and platinum probes and would get quite a nice voltage, but overkill in cost for the power output.

Re: Hartiberlin

Well it's pretty much the same thing, but you get a boost in current from the magnetic alignment. As for actual output current, I don't really know but can only guess it to be around 20-30ma. I could be wrong, but it will light up a red led rated at 30ma from a voltage of around .85-.90v so must be some current there. I know that if you get your alignment in a special sweetspot the current will be continious upto a couple of months as long as you keep the ground moist. The magnetic alignment seems to do two things, boost the current output and also give consistent current output.

If you don't use the magnetic alignment, your current drops considerably to the point where your probes won't light up the L.E.D at all.

Hope this helps. :)




nice stuff, so couldn't we just use a neodymium magnet to simulate the north and south? then just calculate how far or near the probes should be from the magnet. inside a sandbox maybe? :)
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: tao on August 28, 2007, 09:40:19 AM
http://www.icehouse.net/john34/stublefield1.html
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: hansvonlieven on September 01, 2007, 08:59:49 AM
G'day Lanka,

You were wondering how to get some pure Sodium (Natrium in German and Latin). Some scientific supply houses sell it in small quantities but this is expensive and they probably wouldn't sell it to you because it is very nasty stuff.

If you really need some you have to make it yourself. Sodium Chloride (Kochsalz) is not a good starting point, Caustic Soda (Sodium Hydroxide NAO2) is much better.

All you have to do is to get rid of the Oxygen and you have the metal. This is not as difficult as it sounds.

You will need two carbon rods and an electric welder, some sort of small ceramic vessel and some ingenuity.

You must mount the carbon rods in such a fashion that they can maintain an arc in the bottom of the vessel using the electric welder as a power source. Once the arc burns you simply add the Sodium Hydroxide to the vessel. The arc will rip the oxygen from the sodium Hydroxide and the metal remains. As long as the process is going there is no real danger as the space on top of the reaction is a reducing atmosphere.

The moment you stop things become tricky. On no account must the metal come into contact with the air or any moisture. Even the small amount of moisture in the air can trigger a violent reaction.

The metal is a white silvery stuff about the consistency of cheese, you can cut it with a knife. It is usually stored in a jar full of oil. Any contact with water will set off an explosive reaction combining with the oxygen in the water to form Sodium Hydroxide and releasing Hydrogen gas.

If you ever are tempted to try this please read a lot more on the subject and familiarise yourself with the necessary precautions you must take to ensure your safety. Contact between the metal and the skin must be avoided at all cost as very nasty burns result, safety goggles are an absolute must as the smallest bit of the metal hitting your eye will destroy it.

As I said, it is nasty stuff.

Hope this helps.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: Grumpy on October 31, 2007, 09:51:57 PM
Method and Apparatus for Converting Electrostatic Potential Energy
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: Localjoe on October 31, 2007, 10:33:30 PM
Hey i posted a very similar idea in the other batteries section and trees have a huge impact on current so try that too but my post is left hanging where i need some ideas for a circuit that would collect this energy and step it up a little. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3500.msg55406.html#msg55406 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3500.msg55406.html#msg55406) we should collaborate together.
                                                                                                          Joe
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 01, 2007, 01:15:07 PM
I am working on this even as we speak.  Everything I have read on this (Google: Earth batteries) speaks of not only north/south alignment but the angle from the bottom of the rods in the ground need to match the declination and can be measured by using a dip needle.  I am going to start by attempting to light a very small red LED and then may progress to using a capacitor to see how much it might charge it.  Then, I want to attempt an array and wire them in series to see what max volts might be achieved.  My electronics background is weak so I will need input from you smart folks here on this forum.

Bill
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 09, 2007, 03:26:28 AM
This "ground battery" is nothin more than an electrochemical battery.

utilizing electrolytes in the dirt/soil. 

you can achieve the same effect with the copper + steel/zink in a bucket of saltwater.

personally, i think it is salt that does this, but ive had a geologist tell me there are hundreds of other minerals in the ground that could be equally responsible.

while i haven't performed this experiment myself, i propose that the power (Volt * Amp) is going to be proportional to the surface area of the two electrodes. it should be stackable in both parallel and series to create a battery of any size, but one would deductively conclude that this will eventually deplete the ground of electrolyte, so this would have to be replenished over time in order to sustain a very large array.

:::as to the effects of the magnetic allignment, it should be viewed as not a "boost" from the
   magnetic allignment, but rather a reduction in the back-EMF caused by perpendicularlly
   crossing the earths field. which decreases the power.  So, alligning it with the field causes
   almost no back EMF, and essentialy lowers the resstance of your circuit, allowing for more
   efficiency.

Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 09, 2007, 03:47:35 AM
@ SmOky2:

Have you read the thread Earth Battery experiments?  Have you seen some of the videos there? (including mine)  I think we have proved, at least to my satisfaction, that this is more than just galvanic reaction.  I like your explanation about the back emf, I have never heard that before.  But, when I first tried this, why did I get voltage from two metals of the same composition? (copper pipe north, copper pipe south)  If I put them into salt water....nothing right?  I am now getting about 1.8 vdc and 2.7 vac with my small setup.  I have read that this is higher than pure glavanic reaction can do.  Please read the thread over there as it sounds like you have a lot to add to the discussion.  I can light one LED and I have 50 more on order.  We are all looking at ways to boost the volts and amps...coils, arrays, etc.  I would like to know more about the back EMF that you mentioned if you have the time.  I am fascinated by all of this.

Bill
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: troyd1 on February 27, 2008, 01:36:15 PM
In thinking about this, I hypothisized that maybe there is current running through the earth and by placing stakes in the ground with a wire in between, you are just giving it an easier path than going through the earth. If the current is wanting to go from north to south, that would explain the greater current/voltage if aligned. This would make sense if what Pirate said about copper north and south giving off a voltage as well. One way to test this would be to just place a wire in the ground at each end and see if you get voltage. Please comment. I am going to try this once the ground thaws here in Minnesota.
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 27, 2008, 04:13:09 PM
@ SmOky2:

Have you read the thread Earth Battery experiments?  Have you seen some of the videos there? (including mine)  I think we have proved, at least to my satisfaction, that this is more than just galvanic reaction.  I like your explanation about the back emf, I have never heard that before.  But, when I first tried this, why did I get voltage from two metals of the same composition? (copper pipe north, copper pipe south)  If I put them into salt water....nothing right?  I am now getting about 1.8 vdc and 2.7 vac with my small setup.  I have read that this is higher than pure glavanic reaction can do.  Please read the thread over there as it sounds like you have a lot to add to the discussion.  I can light one LED and I have 50 more on order.  We are all looking at ways to boost the volts and amps...coils, arrays, etc.  I would like to know more about the back EMF that you mentioned if you have the time.  I am fascinated by all of this.

Bill


What if we take those two copper pieces
put them into a (roughly) equal solution of hemetite, gypsum, augite, quartz, NaCl.

would they then still be inert?
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: chrls on February 27, 2008, 05:36:22 PM
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/915226/free_electricity_from_thin_air/

has this anything to do with this topic?
just wondering
thanks
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 27, 2008, 05:43:34 PM
@ All:

Just a quick update on the earth battery work.  We are now using bifilar coils (with iron core) copper wire and iron wire as did Stubblefield.  Now I am getting .9 vdc and 19 mA.  Another guy in our topic is getting about the same vdc but 35 mA.
The beautiful thing with these coils is that they are stand alone units and can be wired in parallel or series without the shorting problem we encountered with the single electrode approach.  Off topic a bit but possibly relevant to your topic.
Tesla's fingerprints are all over this design and he knew Stubblefield and had some dealings with him.


Bill
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 27, 2008, 07:34:34 PM
@ Pirate


 Thanks!!! - that sounds like it solves the very problem i was having with multiple 'nodes'
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: lancaIV on February 28, 2008, 06:11:03 PM
permanent magnet receiver
developped:1876
Inventor:Graham/Alexander Bell

Ding-Dong
               CdL 
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 29, 2008, 02:54:12 AM

Coincidentally I grew up a 45 minutes away from the Bell Museum in Baddeck on Cape Breton Island.

It seems I read a very convincing account a while back, where Bell like Edison 'borrowed' Tesla's technology and ran with it while Tesla was involved in other things.

Regards...

Title: Re: Energy Reciever design
Post by: lancaIV on February 29, 2008, 03:48:48 AM
Bell + Anderson = Time-Tec
but I feel that there is not the question more about TIME and the MACHINE, it is about
overunity, in living action !
CdL
Title: Re: Energy Reciever design-by Lawrence Rayburn
Post by: Diode on April 22, 2008, 03:27:56 AM
Any info or updates on this design by Lawrence Rayburn?

http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/RadiantEnergy/LawrenceRayburn/index.html

Device has antenna, tuned circuit, ac or dc output..works by either using electrostatic capture or EM (7.3 Hz) capture. Has anybody tried this, or is related to other circuits in other categories?