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Author Topic: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .  (Read 326685 times)

Offline twinbeard

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #210 on: May 05, 2011, 09:03:48 AM »
Hi, I'm new to the forum. Been reading your information for a while though. Very interesting all. If I may, I've a question for anyone who's been to the Castle and investigated the wheel. First, assuming everything that was in the photo is still in his workshop, and also assuming most everything he used came from a model T(I know, I'm assuming a lot), has anyone identified what part of the car sits on the block of wood in front of the machine? Is it still in the shop?

Hi,

Take a look at these vids I made during a recent trip there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMeLNf9t2Bo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wsUSqrm4C4

He placed coils wrapped on glass bottles on the blocks... there are tie down terminals on the ends of the blocks.  It is quite possible that there was something in the bottles as well... water, another liquid, powdered metal, or similar, although the "core material" is just speculation on my part.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #211 on: May 09, 2011, 06:44:57 AM »
Thanks for the links Twinbeard.

Still, I saw nothing that resembled the thing on the block of wood in the picture of Ed posed using his machine though. I've built this machine 5 times, each time using different windings. One gave me slight but repeatable results of magnetizing chain hanging above it. So, for now, frustration has moved me on to how he may have kept it in motion. But, that thing on the block of wood perplexes me still.

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #212 on: May 09, 2011, 11:12:39 PM »
Though the pic doesnt have high resolution the block of wood may be a stack of iron. Just like a transformer coil to diminish eddy currents. The wooden looking bar seems to hold weight down on the block to keep the chain down as it seems a little bowed. The chain itself is at a 90 degree angle to the block. The rotor itself looks like it may put out a magnetic sine wave. If that is the case,then maybe the chain being at a 90 degree angle is being energized or charged. If the chain is truly charged thats a lot of charge for something that size. If the chain werent a closed loop the charge may have remained until the loop was closed creating a circuit in a device. Something that may relate to this is the U shaped Pmh with the keeper and 2 coils on it. One coil was energized with a dc voltage and the other coils leads were tied together If I remember right. This apparently puts out Ac. 

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #213 on: May 09, 2011, 11:56:20 PM »
The bottles were filled with sweet sixteen

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #214 on: May 10, 2011, 07:39:49 AM »
Here is a different shot of it I had.

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #215 on: May 11, 2011, 09:23:04 AM »
All good info, thanks.

IotaYodi, I've not completed my own experiments with this idea as I'm in the process of another rebuild, but the field emanating from the top of the magnets at 90 deg to the ends of the magnets could be redirected towards a hidden pickup coil. One perhaps the length of the block of wood? One, say, the length of the long loosely wound coil on the wall?

My theory is that the long coil wound round the white paper(?) went into a hole cut through the entire block of wood. This might account for the wires attached at the points of swivel, no? And the metal(?) atop the ornamental iron arms(?) redirected the field emanating at 90 deg from the ends of the magnets to this coil.

Still, that box perplexes me. Was it's sole purpose to hold the chain?

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #216 on: May 11, 2011, 07:19:40 PM »
All good info, thanks.

Still, that box perplexes me. Was it's sole purpose to hold the chain?

In looking at the colorized image a few posts back, it appears that it is a small trafo or maybe just a core to pick up the flux... the chain is attached to it, and it is held down by a horizontal stick with wire wrapped to the tie down posts.  I remember seeing a similar shaped core on his wall of components...

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #217 on: May 11, 2011, 09:06:24 PM »
please check out my latest video, is shows the nature of the energy Ed was using...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC2NKeGO0W8   my devices are based loosely on Eds design....david

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #218 on: May 11, 2011, 09:23:17 PM »
hi rc,   do you energize your "generator" like a PMH?     also you might try the vermiculite to see if it creates this same effect.....can you tell me more about your build that magnetized the chain....i am very curious....david

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #219 on: May 12, 2011, 07:05:48 AM »
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In looking at the colorized image a few posts back, it appears that it is a small trafo or maybe just a core to pick up the flux... the chain is attached to it, and it is held down by a horizontal stick with wire wrapped to the tie down posts.  I remember seeing a similar shaped core on his wall of components...

Twinbeard, forgive my ignorance, I'm no electrician, but by "trafo" do you mean a transformer? What would the circuit look like? I can't see any visible signs of a connection. If that's a stack of steel I can see it contacting the bolt head, but that itself, looks insulated from the machine. Unless the chain itself was part of the overall circuit, but that seems an awfully dangerous place to be if all that chain is charged up. I know I am missing your point. Please clarify?

Also, which "core" are you referring to?

I know the color image gives the impression the chain is on top, but in one of my negative images, the chain seems to be held by a long rod that goes horizontally through one of the links and doesn't seem to be on top at all.

 
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hi rc,   do you energize your "generator" like a PMH?     also you might try the vermiculite to see if it creates this same effect.....can you tell me more about your build that magnetized the chain....i am very curious....david

I've watched many of your videos, David and look forward to your latest. Your enthusiasm is quite refreshing and has re-energized me several times when I'd thought of giving up and many of your ideas have come in handy in my own experiments. Keep up the good work!

I've tried several means of energizing the wheel. The only one that gave me any results(and again I stress, the results were weak, but repeatable) was wrapping two legs of one pole together with 3 wraps of 144 winds each of some very small gauge wire. The numbers are chosen arbitrarily based loosely on some of the info at code144. This wrap magnetized a chain hanging over it just above the spinning handle. It did not magnetize the chain hanging in front unattached to anything nor any of the links even when the chain was in circuit with the one hanging overhead based on what I'd built. This was a direct connection to the bolt head with the speculation the iron bolt was collecting and redirecting the magnets into the chain. I've since abandoned that theory.

My next build is to test a new winding based on the last few entries in his Magnetic Current book. Most of the difficulty I have is in scale. I'll post pics of it disassembled if you are interested.

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #220 on: May 12, 2011, 07:28:38 AM »
Also, I've read many posts and I've not read too many theories on what the thing bolted on the upright axle is. Any ideas?

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #221 on: May 12, 2011, 06:20:19 PM »
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I'm no electrician, but by "trafo" do you mean a transformer?
Yes. That is the core he is referring too that sits on top of the wood whether connected or not. This "core" sits on top of the block to bring it up to the center of the wheel.
 Viewing your negative photo I searched for the original photo. It was the discoloration that caught my eye. Polarization. The bar is more than likely soft iron.
http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=18658

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but that seems an awfully dangerous place to be if all that chain is charged up
This is a different type of charge. The Pmh with the keeper is a a key to understanding this. If you build one with 2 coils as I mentioned before you will see the Ac nature in it. Sort of like taking a pipe with a cap on it then putting a garden hose in it. You have 2 directions of flow.

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #222 on: May 12, 2011, 08:26:50 PM »
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It was the discoloration that caught my eye. Polarization. The bar is more than likely soft iron.

Thanks IotaYota. Ok, so if that bar can swing, and in the original photo it doesn't seem to have the angle to touch the 'transformer' but instead looks like it might swing back over the wheel to either capture or deflect the magnetic field... but to what? On my model, so far I've had no results with chains at the front of the machine(although I'd not thought about it being a transformer, I admit). Not as a magnetization station, nor a pmh station.

I admit I'm not sure I'm making a chain into a proper pmh, but my simple method was to loop the chain, connecting both ends to a tiny bar that went through holes in a small metal strips attached to the sides of an alligator clip. One end of the chain was a wire loop made with some soft magnetic wire I had lying around the shop. This had wraps on either side of the chain of very small gauge copper wire wound and attached 'like' the pmh to a small micro-amp bulb from a cd player. My understanding is that I can release the energy by cutting the last wire link?

I am also aware that my little machine and chain may not produce enough charge to light the bulb, but I lack electrical measuring tools. Hoping to borrow my nephew's during summer break if I've got it built again by then.

One thing concerns me about the transformer idea, however. There are transformers all over Ed's wall. None seem to have the optical characteristics of the object on the wood.

If we assume everything Ed used, aside from what he made for himself, came from a Model T Ford of some year, can't anyone who's rebuilt one identify that part?

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #223 on: May 13, 2011, 09:03:02 AM »
I'm wondering if anyone has attempted to make a schematic of the entire room?  In the picture I have of the gear reduction device, it seems to be set into a carved out notch(?) in the limestone, but I've no idea where it is in relation to the wheel or other devices in his shop. Can anyone supply or point me to some drawing of the place? 

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Re: Help with Ed Leedskalnin Riddle , any idea .
« Reply #224 on: May 13, 2011, 08:46:12 PM »
i was wondering how close the pipe is to the rotor? and how far in the ground does it go?