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h20power

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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #105 on: March 18, 2023, 06:49:04 PM »
resonance and 180 degree phase shift


Do you have anything on video showing this in a real world application or is this just a thought experiment that seems correct?


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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #106 on: March 19, 2023, 03:59:17 AM »
This is only idea from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgq8OR8HdnA
From 13:00
Sorry, in Russian.
Its about healing by resonant fields. The pathological bacteria can not be destroyed by only resonance. Additionally needed the switching phase of electrical field. The best option is 180 degree. The switching phase is creating high frequency pulses. 

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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #107 on: March 19, 2023, 10:07:21 PM »
This is only idea from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgq8OR8HdnA
From 13:00
Sorry, in Russian.
Its about healing by resonant fields. The pathological bacteria can not be destroyed by only resonance. Additionally needed the switching phase of electrical field. The best option is 180 degree. The switching phase is creating high frequency pulses.


Hi Again,


It's kinda what I thought in that one unknown is being lumped with another unknown in the hopes of a solution popping up out of thin air. So, I'll direction your attention to that graph I provided and will now teach you how to read it correctly as though it appears simple it is actually complex. The vertical lines represent a single pulse time or square wave pulse that was sent to the VIC transformer. As shown in blue and red for every one pulse sent to the VIC transformer you get two pules headed to the Water Fuel Capacitor (WFC). The horizontal lines represent time and show just how many pulses were sent to the VIC transformer. In that example five pulses where sent to the VIC transformer resulting in ten pulses being sent to the WFC.
Now for the math part that shows just why the water bath never heats up when breaking the bonds of the water molecules in this fashion. The blue and red areas are to be summed up as they represent current flow that will pass through the system, IE, the water bath. With a perfectly balance waveform there will be no current flowing through the water bath as the blue and red areas of the graph simply cancel each other out when their sums are taken. The amplitude of the waveform represents voltage levels and you get a negative and positive voltage being sent to the plates of the WFC which is just a capacitor who's dielectric material being used is just water.
Now when looking at water it is made up of hydrogen and oxygen atoms whom both have a voltage threshold that once crossed will get them to release their electrons. With me so far? It is this act of removing the electrons that causes the water molecules to simply fall apart which is something can learn when studying photosynthesis as it turns out this is how plants break the bonds of the water molecules also but by a different method. Just know that the end process of breaking down the water molecules into their component atoms is always the same, take away the electrons and the water molecules fall apart into hydrogen & oxygen gases and the creation of an electric charge.
This is how Meyer's technology actually works to break the bonds of the water molecules and know it is most comparable to a thunderstorm as the whole process is just a means to mimic the earth's Global Electric Circuit electronically.


So, with this being said there are no more unknows as to the science behind the technology, correct? This was my gift to this forum but as you have seen it's been largely ignored by the many forum members of this forum. But this leaves us all in learning how to build it correctly by way of trial and error testing hopefully making use of the scientific method so that one can map out how to get it built correctly over time. As know even I fall under this part of this technology as I too must learn how to build it correctly so that this technology can see the light of day and truly make a difference in our lives. But the actual science is now known as I went and shared it with everyone that has come to this forum and took the time to read my thread or in any thread I posted the need to know information in free of charge.


Now I will post all the graphs just so that you all have the complete information showing that current gets canceled out with this technology as the voltage does the work of getting the electrons away from their atoms by way of ionization. I do this as I am getting tired of being ignored by the community here and also getting tired of seeing people lump one unknown with another with the hopes of some kind of miracle taking place that will allow the technology to work without any understanding on how it works scientifically.
If all of you reading this go through my thread you will see me doing what I can to build this technology correctly so that it works all the time every time it is needed for us to be able to take full control of our own energy needs. It's not an easy technology to build correctly as the rules of building it are roughly unknown and thus must be discovered by way of trial and error testing. I poured a lot of money into this technology can still need to pour more money into it but it's a must have technology if we are to be able to take full control of our own energy needs and do something meaningful about our climate change problems.


Shalom and take care,
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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #108 on: March 20, 2023, 01:47:00 PM »
https://youtu.be/sdSO8_hKx7A
Here is a dude posted his new video.
Accidentally stumbled upon. Can't comment, see for yourself.

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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #109 on: March 20, 2023, 02:43:50 PM »
Hi All,

These claims are just that, it's becoming a circus bringing up old claims that nobody has produce a working model.

If Stanley Meyers system really work, then why was he sued for false claims?

Some information people need to read:

In 1996, inventor Stanley Meyer was sued by two investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary, University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed.[3] According to Meyer the technology was patent pending and under investigation by the patent office, the Department of Energy and the military.[14] His "water fuel cell" was later examined by three witnesses in court who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis". The court found Meyer guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered him to repay the two investors their $25,000.[3]

Meyer demonstrated a dune buggy which he claimed was powered by his water fuel cell. He estimated that only 22 US gallons (83 liters) of water were required to travel from Los Angeles to New York.[8] Furthermore, Meyer claimed to have replaced the spark plugs with "injectors" to spray a fine mist of water into the engine cylinders, which were subjected to an electrical resonance. The water fuel cell would split the water mist into hydrogen and oxygen gas, which would then be combusted back into water vapor in a conventional internal combustion engine to produce net energy.[3] Philip Ball, writing in academic journal Nature, characterized Meyer's claims as pseudoscience, noting that "It's not easy to establish how Meyer's car was meant to work, except that it involved a fuel cell that was able to split water using less energy than was released by recombination of the elements … Crusaders against pseudoscience can rant and rave as much as they like, but in the end they might as well accept that the myth of water as a fuel is never going to go away."[2]
There is no documented proof that the system produces enough hydrogen to run an engine. To date no peer review studies of Meyer's devices have been published in the scientific literature, although his claims have been thoroughly discredited in scientific journals.

Lets be very clear, these false claims people are making today needs to be called out. Without a true working prototypes these past claims on UO need to stop. It really hurts those who are looking for real facts and a working prototypes.

The only way we can work together is to look in the past and not to repeat the same old BS.

Stanley Meyers was a con-man, if he really believe he was saving the world and God showed him this technology then why was he looking for money?

I stand by my own claims of keep it open source, until you all realize money is not the answer to true freedom of free energy. We are no different then Big oil and any other greedy person.

Nobody will create free energy if they think of the money, a 5 cent bullet would make anyone disappear. Another reason it need to be open source and free for all!

Tom

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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #110 on: March 21, 2023, 12:22:40 PM »
https://overunity.com/18865/low-temperature-catalytic-thermolysis-of-water/msg575130/#msg575130
Well, this is where the dude got the real results.
So no one pays attention. :(

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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #111 on: March 21, 2023, 08:07:26 PM »
Hi All,

These claims are just that, it's becoming a circus bringing up old claims that nobody has produce a working model.

If Stanley Meyers system really work, then why was he sued for false claims?

Some information people need to read:

In 1996, inventor Stanley Meyer was sued by two investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary, University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed.[3] According to Meyer the technology was patent pending and under investigation by the patent office, the Department of Energy and the military.[14] His "water fuel cell" was later examined by three witnesses in court who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis". The court found Meyer guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered him to repay the two investors their $25,000.[3]

Meyer demonstrated a dune buggy which he claimed was powered by his water fuel cell. He estimated that only 22 US gallons (83 liters) of water were required to travel from Los Angeles to New York.[8] Furthermore, Meyer claimed to have replaced the spark plugs with "injectors" to spray a fine mist of water into the engine cylinders, which were subjected to an electrical resonance. The water fuel cell would split the water mist into hydrogen and oxygen gas, which would then be combusted back into water vapor in a conventional internal combustion engine to produce net energy.[3] Philip Ball, writing in academic journal Nature, characterized Meyer's claims as pseudoscience, noting that "It's not easy to establish how Meyer's car was meant to work, except that it involved a fuel cell that was able to split water using less energy than was released by recombination of the elements … Crusaders against pseudoscience can rant and rave as much as they like, but in the end they might as well accept that the myth of water as a fuel is never going to go away."[2]
There is no documented proof that the system produces enough hydrogen to run an engine. To date no peer review studies of Meyer's devices have been published in the scientific literature, although his claims have been thoroughly discredited in scientific journals.

Lets be very clear, these false claims people are making today needs to be called out. Without a true working prototypes these past claims on UO need to stop. It really hurts those who are looking for real facts and a working prototypes.

The only way we can work together is to look in the past and not to repeat the same old BS.

Stanley Meyers was a con-man, if he really believe he was saving the world and God showed him this technology then why was he looking for money?

I stand by my own claims of keep it open source, until you all realize money is not the answer to true freedom of free energy. We are no different then Big oil and any other greedy person.

Nobody will create free energy if they think of the money, a 5 cent bullet would make anyone disappear. Another reason it need to be open source and free for all!

Tom


Hello Tom,


I run into people like you all the time that don't understand the simple science I just posted that shows mathematically just how the technology works but there is more as if you ever took the time to ready my thread then you will also see that I provided examples of this type of water separation taking place in nature and with man made stuff. It's not that complicated now that I have uncovered the science behind the technology and shared it in an Open Source format such as this site. The hard part is learning how to build it correctly as it cost a lot of money doing thing the proper way making use of the scientific method through trial and error testing as I am currently doing right now.


Long ago the bar was set telling us that no one could put high voltage to a container full of water and when I did it that bar simply got moved to a higher requirement. If this technology was easy everyone would be doing it but some key things that would have allowed everyone to have replications of their own where lost in time as that converted alternator was traded in for a core charge by the guy that knew Meyer. The injectors never actually worked as Meyer made some mistakes and those mistakes he made made it so the injectors simply wouldn't work as designed. In fact so many false truths have been put out about this technology that will steer folks away from a working prototype it truly isn't funny.


In time this technology will out as if it's in the scriptures then it will come to pass as the creator is not a man that he would lie.


So, if this technology was Open Sourced the cost to build it properly is what would prevent folks from ever giving it a try as trust me that cost is really high due to all the materials, tools, measuring devices, and other related equipment that needs to be brought just so one could work on this technology. As everything you have seen me buy you too would have to buy if you wanted to build this technology and have a shot of getting it to work properly. That simply talk that Meyer put out was just a lie to keep people off of his tale concerning would be copycats.


Well, I have more to say on this but I have to go as it's time for me to get back to work. As seen in the photo you also need to be prepared to fail.


Edward Mitchell
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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #112 on: March 21, 2023, 10:07:46 PM »
 Hi    h20power,

Let just get to the real facts, prove it and stop claiming you have proof!

Why not add the $$$, Stanley Meyers did that too!

So you're saying Stanley Meyer didn't get sued for fraud, and this is a government conspiracy?

The amount of watts needed to make HHO in a electrolysis, is far greater then the BTU you get out of HHO. 1 watt =3.41 BTU. Until you really understand the true power needed to make enough HHO, the system start making steam between these crazy idea of plates designs of 2 volts!

What really gets me is all the claims of using frequency and pwms to make this special magic is just unproven to this day. It takes WATTS, not magic!

Also people are just either foolish or not knowing  these two gases mixed together are not made for running any IC engine, a real electrolysis not these cookie jar with magic sauce mixture everyone talks about.

Electrolysis is used to separates hydrogen and oxygen.

Even when you just collect enough hydrogen, you still will have a lost of energy in vs energy out!

h20power, maybe you need to rethink calling out me who knows about HHO and just prove to everyone you have a running engine.

I know a friend who ran a 8hp engine that just idle under no load, he used 11kw of power!

Let me just get to the point, prove it before making false claims with foolish drawings. This Stanley Meyers claims are getting old, there have been experts in the field that couldn't duplicate his claims for years!

Tom






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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #113 on: March 22, 2023, 04:39:27 AM »
Hi    h20power,

Let just get to the real facts, prove it and stop claiming you have proof!

Why not add the $$$, Stanley Meyers did that too!

So you're saying Stanley Meyer didn't get sued for fraud, and this is a government conspiracy?

The amount of watts needed to make HHO in a electrolysis, is far greater then the BTU you get out of HHO. 1 watt =3.41 BTU. Until you really understand the true power needed to make enough HHO, the system start making steam between these crazy idea of plates designs of 2 volts!

What really gets me is all the claims of using frequency and pwms to make this special magic is just unproven to this day. It takes WATTS, not magic!

Also people are just either foolish or not knowing  these two gases mixed together are not made for running any IC engine, a real electrolysis not these cookie jar with magic sauce mixture everyone talks about.

Electrolysis is used to separates hydrogen and oxygen.

Even when you just collect enough hydrogen, you still will have a lost of energy in vs energy out!

h20power, maybe you need to rethink calling out me who knows about HHO and just prove to everyone you have a running engine.

I know a friend who ran a 8hp engine that just idle under no load, he used 11kw of power!

Let me just get to the point, prove it before making false claims with foolish drawings. This Stanley Meyers claims are getting old, there have been experts in the field that couldn't duplicate his claims for years!

Tom


Hey Tom,


I already have all the proof I need as scientific proof is proof unless you now don't believe in science either. What bothers me is right in this forum Steffen posted what actually happened in Meyer's day in court right here: [size=78%]https://overunity.com/7034/the-stan-meyer-case-setting-it-straight-finally/[/size] And people like you never bother to read anything and just come in blasting things you have no idea about because all you tend to get your news information from is the main stream sources.


As for the science I shared openly in this forum it's real but the reader must have the proper education level to be able to understand it as after all I did make use of the scientific method to get at this technology's secrets. I find that most people talking about this technology are about as smart as a bag of rocks. Most don't know how to interpret the readings on a oscilloscope, or perform proper scientific experiments, and are totally lacking in the basic level of education needed to attempt to understand this technology let alone get the technology up and running plus have understanding of just how to go about implementing the technology. Most simply aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is with this technology as there is so much that one needs to buy, design, and build and failure will be a common theme until the rest of the secrets I haven't figured out are solved. I fully admit I don't share everything I know as all I promised to do back in the day was to share the science behind this technology if I ever figured it out and I kept that promise.


As for me personally things take time as I'm a working stiff like most other people and have to save my hard earned cash to buy the things I need for this technology. Sure I do get some donations which I am truly grateful for but for the most part all of the spending you see me doing comes out of my own pockets. Once I had the science solved it was on to learning just how to build or not build the technology which I have to make use of the trail and error methodology on. It cost a lot of money to design and build prototypes and over the years I have learned by way of this trial and error testing method what to do or not to do. With each and every failure there was a lesson to be learned and more questions to asked and answered. One thing I don't need to do is prove anything to the likes of you as just who are you? I don't know you and have never seen or heard of you doing anything with your life as to garner my attention other than be disrespectful to the dead and compare apples to walnuts trying to make some sort of comparison between this technology and electrolysis. So, like everyone else you too must wait until I complete my task working at my own pace for if you don't wish to wait then you are more than welcome to get there before I do.


Just to give you some idea how different this technology is from the electrolysis method let me ask you what happens to a plant if you put a salt, acid, or base on it's roots? You kill the plant correct? Well, the same goes for this technology as if you put some salt, acid, or base in the water you prevent this technology from working. You see the bonds of the water molecules are being broken down in much the same way a plant goes about breaking the bonds of the water molecules with it's end steps. But know this technology most directly mimics a thunderstorm in how it works, but sadly mainstream science doesn't actually know just how a thunderstorm works.


Since I seem to be the only one that I know of that has shown high voltage being applied to a WFC in a provable manor I find myself standing alone for over thirteen years now. Since people simply will not follow my lead they never get any high voltage being applied to their WFC's. But since I am poor it takes me awhile to save up for the things I need so my pace is slow. But as I said everyone can jump in and beat me to the punch if the wanted too as it's a free world, right? This technology will come out when it's the right time for it to do so and not a moment sooner.


Well, time to go again as I need my rest.
Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #114 on: March 22, 2023, 08:42:28 AM »
You spoke that everything your an achieving,you shall leave to your kids.
Could you adopt me ? I would be your favorite child, the prettiest child, the smartest child...
Besides, I know a few things. ;) And the fact that I'm white is not a problem.
I will fight white hooligans for you...

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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #115 on: March 22, 2023, 12:10:09 PM »
Hi h20power,

For someone who get funding and have no prototype to prove their theory speaks for it's self.

Now, unlike many builders I don't get any funding and do get offers. I learn a long time ago to never take money unless you're willing to pay that person back. Why is it we can take out a car loan, house or even money to waste?

Enough said, the fact nobody has duplicated a 25+ year old claim should speak for it's self.

You're right in your own mind, I know nothing about HHO!

Now instead of going back and forth like school girls because I told the truth up to now lets look at what really is needed to run a car on water.

If Stanley Meyer did produce HHO as he claimed, it wasn't from a electrolysis. I believe the so call water splitter is the key.

Distill water  with no electrolyte could be used with high voltage discharge in a water splitter injector. Unlike most claims I did these experiments many years back.

This summer I plan to do just that, two things happen when discharging distill water with around 2000v / 20uf capacitors. It creates super heated steam and the other is HHO. Some people believe it's a shock wave, I say it's much more then that from past experiments.

A simple car ignition coil could be used to charge the caps and a simple trigger circuit.

I'm not going to explain everything at this time because I need to test these water splitter injectors design. Because there are snakes on these forums who will take someones hard work and make money on it.

A simple drawing would do.

Tom











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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #116 on: March 22, 2023, 11:12:00 PM »
If Stanley Meyer did produce HHO as he claimed, it wasn't from a electrolysis.

I think we can all agree on that fact.

It's rumored however, his "natural water" may have contained
deuterium and his energy gain was due to LENR.  If that is true,
I'm not certain Ed would even talk about it.

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« Reply #117 on: March 22, 2023, 11:50:40 PM »
Hi All,

If we really want to solve the energy problem we must all be willing to open source and stop playing games with secrets of the Stanley Meyer claims.

Even when I dumped $20+k into the Clem Engine, it wouldn't worked as many have claimed, it wasn't until I study all the possibilities that I fully understand how it could works. I followed many designs base on Keelynet and others. Until I started to do testing on my own with hydraulics, rim jets and pressure. I would still be copying these claims of how it works with years of lost $$$.

I know what it take to get any engine running and HHO is not the fuel to do it with. HHO produce a fast explosion an implosion effect, due to the limited heat from the flash of the explosion.
If the heat is not slow down, then it's impossible to create a higher pressure when dealing with Charles Law V1/T1=V2/T2.

Lets work together and if others want to have secrets maybe open source is not for you.

Tom




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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #118 on: March 23, 2023, 04:02:13 AM »
Hello Everyone,


Let me ask you this question Tom,
"When a fossil fuel is burned what is actually burning scientifically?"



And to Dog-One,
The water had no more deuterium than any other natural water source. As that had nothing to do with the water being broken down into hydrogen, oxygen gas atoms, and the creation of an electric charge. I am kinda shocked I have to share a photo like this to explain the make up of the water molecules but it's the only way I know of to get the point across. The atoms that make up the water molecules share electrons to give the molecules a stable eight electron configuration.
Now here is a video showing just how a plant goes about breaking the bonds of the water molecules. Please watch this video as the talks beyond this point will assume that the video was watched: [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJqEk1ouDuo&ab_channel=PaulHeideman[/size]


As you can see a plant reaches in and takes the electrons away from the atoms that make up the water molecules. And just like I have stated like a broken record this act of taking away the electrons from the atoms that make up the water molecules is what breaks the bonds of the water molecules. Now here is the million dollar question, "How many different ways do we know of to get the electrons away from their atoms?" The surprising part of those answers is each method will work towards breaking the bonds of the water molecules, but of those methods the most efficient is ionization which charges the plates of a capacitor who's dielectric material is water. Now in my thread I gave many examples of this type of water separation so I will not go on repeating myself in this thread.
As seen in the video a plant reaches in and takes one electron and them sends it back so that it can take away the other electron.
Science is cool, yes? Now you all should know just what's being done by Meyer, and others, to break the bonds of the water molecules using high voltage potential differences.


I hope you all enjoyed that lesson,
Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
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Re: FATHER OF WATER POWER CAR - Stanley Meyer's SECRET
« Reply #119 on: March 23, 2023, 06:09:00 AM »
h20power,

Instead of playing kids games, why not stop the BS and show what you really have?

NOTHING but, look at this video and that video. Look at me I invested someone else $$$ to play. Yet, nothing to show.

NO running engine, just small talk with nothing but kids games.

What a character to post a GoFundMe on OU, $200,000  you can't make this stuff up!

I seen that video with a simple HHO cell, really 300v and over 1 amp, boy you can boil water with 300 watts!

Instead of showing something interesting, you're like many people who claim to know how Stanley Meyer created this magic, has nothing that proves a theory to this day.

Just looking at your past posts, you are clearly on the right track of you're own theories. But, nothing to show in the real world of experiments.

The more you text, just shows you have nothing to prove Stanley Meyer did have a car running on HHO. If fact, you're adding to these false claims!

I think being on OU and asking for money is not what this forum is about Edward Mitchell.

Asking for $200,000 just shows you have no skills to show a simple cheap small engine running with your claims.

This is about open source, why your asking for money to buy tools is just insane.

I could help you building a working prototype, you don't need $200,000 for tools. I have the tools and skills to make a engine running on HHO if your theory is correct.

Edward Mitchell, many people should question your real motive if you turn down my offer!

Good luck!

Tom