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Author Topic: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization  (Read 75466 times)

Offline nievesoliveras

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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #60 on: August 07, 2010, 06:05:28 PM »
The chip I used was labeled NE555.
The other parts that are resistors, capacitors and led, could be any brand.
If you test them and they work, use them.

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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2010, 04:30:45 AM »
do you think this is a good one to buy?
http://cgi.ebay.com/10x-NE555-General-Purpose-Bipolar-Timer-/330453308995?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2

Yes, that one is good for the circuit. Also it is good if it has an LM in front of the 555. Like this LM555.

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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2010, 04:30:45 AM »
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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2010, 06:33:10 AM »
LM?

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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2010, 01:49:23 PM »
LM?

There are different LM555 s.
The one you need is with the dip configuration.

http://www.supplyframe.com/partsearchservlet/partnerWormhole.action?id=1024489&partnerName=DSA

But if you really would like to be an expert, look onto this info:
http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/LM555.html

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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2010, 01:49:23 PM »
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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #65 on: September 27, 2010, 12:26:09 AM »
Sorry to jump so late onto this thread,
but now I caught up with this.

They now have their own Youtube channel at:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheGAPpower#g/a

I still have to take a closer look at their
scope shots and power calculations, but so far it looks
pretty interesting how much mechanical power they get
out of this magnet motor and how low the electrical input power
is and how much also the BackEMF power due to the scopeshots
(what they don´t show in the videos how they use this..)

Using both sides of the magnets via iron cores should yield still a much higher efficiency
which is currently not used...so this motor could still be scaled up in efficiency just
with a few additional iron core pieces...

Well done.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #66 on: September 27, 2010, 02:00:13 AM »
I found the error, so this device is unfortunately not overunity !

He is not measuring the Input voltage at the battery, but wrongly on the coil only !

As the coil voltage is behind the relay he uses, this does not show the real input voltage.

He just must use the constant 45 Volts of his battery as the calculation for the input power.

As he shows in an analog ampmeter test, the AVERAGE input current is about 0.6 amps all the
time and this is validated via his 1 amp fuse test, which does not break !

So from the batteries always an average current of about 0.6 amps is drawn.

So we can say that the total input power all the time is battery voltage multiplied
by the average input current.

So 45 Volts x 0.6 amps = 27 Watts input power.

Now the mechanical output power lifting the 22 pounds weight is
7 Watts.

So 7 Watts out / 27  input power  is around 26 % efficiency only...

Too bad that he just did not measure the input voltage at the battery,
but only at the coil...


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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #67 on: September 27, 2010, 12:20:30 PM »
Great conclusion Hartmann.

As usual the inventor of this device is ignorant and his perception skills are simple.
Ignorance and simple minds always seems to come along in the Free Energy business.

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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #68 on: September 27, 2010, 02:24:04 PM »
Well, the presentation and replication device and all the video presentation was very
well done and professionally and I think he really meant well and wanted to do it all in the open
and was thinking, he already had cracked the efficiency.

But unfortunately nobody saw this measurement error,
also not the quoted university professor.

I think with a changed unit and using both poles via iron core pieces
and chopped pulsed input current at higher input voltage and not a constant input current during the
100 Milliseconds ontime or so this unit could still get overunity.

If the input current is chopped several times during the 100 Milliseconds Ontime
via mechanical switches and the right mechanical material points are used, like
in a Newman commutator copper and graphite this will even generate more BackEMF output power.

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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #68 on: September 27, 2010, 02:24:04 PM »
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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #69 on: September 27, 2010, 08:43:46 PM »
I think with a changed unit and using both poles via iron core pieces
and chopped pulsed input current at higher input voltage and not a constant input
current during the 100 Milliseconds on time or so this unit could still get overunity.
Regards, Stefan.

Going from 26% efficiency to more than 100% is quite a goal.
Actually an impossible goal if history will repeat itself one more time.
It might be possible to reach +90% if most losses are eliminated but
going above 100% I can't see happening from this design.

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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #70 on: September 28, 2010, 09:42:52 PM »
Well, it is only about 26 %, cause the BACKEMF Power was not included.

As they did not show, if and how at all they extracted the BackEMF power from
the coil, I could not add this in the calculation.
But if the BACKEMF Power from the coil would be extracted witha few diodes and
charge up a capacitor and drive an additional electrical load, this power could get quite
big with the right commutator design.

Imagine using 300 Volts of input voltage and have a chopper circuit,
that applies 50 input current pulses 1 milliseconds long and the offtime would also
be 1 milliseconds, then we have about the same "input" cycle length of 100 milliseconds,
but only really 50 x 1  milliseconds would the input voltage be supplied.

This will increase dramatically the BACKEMF Power and could get the motor
into the OU range.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #71 on: September 29, 2010, 08:52:44 AM »
@ Hartmann

The idea of harvesting Back EMF energy is good but unfortunately this will not help.
Back EMF recovery only represent a fraction of the total energy spent when pulsing an electromagnet.
I have attached a drawing for a clearer view on the pulse properties of an electromagnet.

BTW, the Back EMF pulse always switch polarity, therefore the negative spike in the drawing.

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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #72 on: September 29, 2010, 03:34:41 PM »
@FatChance

what you have shown is only the case in a static case.

Here in the motor we have the dynamic case, where the magnets are moving
and the inductance L changes, etc...

Also it only will work with mechanical switches which have
partial negative resistances and work as a battery during the sparks
as the dissimular metal points act together with the arc-plasma as a battery
and introduce external energy into the circuit.

It is the same principle as in a Newman motor.

You basically convert copper and graphite points mass into electric energy
this way which will charge up your batteries if you do it right with the right extraction circuit.
You need fast High Voltage diodes.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #73 on: September 29, 2010, 07:30:43 PM »
@FatChance
what you have shown is only the case in a static case.

No I'm not referring to a "static case".
What is shown represent repeated pulsing during a certain On-time period.
There is no difference between a static single pulse and repeated pulses except
the "Fully On" period can be infinite when static.
And furthermore, dynamic operation in the presence of a permanent magnetic field
(like a magnetic piston moving inside a coil) will consume even more power due to
the counter induced voltage in the coil from the magnet in motion.
This increases the necessary voltage needed to establish the same field, compared to
static mode, by several hundred percent or more, all depending on the speed involved.

Well, it seems I'm still right in this case. But I wish I was wrong and we could all finally
reach our long time overdue pursuit for overunity.

« Last Edit: September 29, 2010, 10:41:54 PM by FatChance!!! »

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Re: Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization
« Reply #74 on: September 29, 2010, 10:56:46 PM »
Hi,

Today I tested a double coil with a common Ferrite core inside.
At each side a put a Neo magnet as shown in the drawing. I then
used my 555 switch to drive one coil. The output from the diode bridge
was connected to the input battery(12V 7A). The system was under
unity when run at any frequency and duty cycle setting. At the best
frequency and duty cycle setting (found by adjusting pot meters), the
system ran with little power input but still was able to keep the ultra
bright led connected to the battery (1K series resistor) bright. The battery
was very depleted (6 volt).

Groundloop.

 

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