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Author Topic: vetting god  (Read 36468 times)

Offline wings

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2010, 09:47:01 AM »
vetting god with the mind impossible! , you can just feel the fear of immense space

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsd2WJfplKk&feature=player_embedded#!


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Re: vetting god
« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2010, 09:47:01 AM »

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2010, 01:11:45 PM »
Wilby
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if you have some material evidence or a logical proof, great! present it.
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                                                So Chetty mentioned
                                               "THE PLACEBO EFFECT"
                                                 also known as FAITH

This I offer once again as an example of  a higher power working through his creation.

God will Honor the Faith of a heathen

It s quite amazing what we can do if we "BELIEVE"

Nothing to do with religion.

Placebo is no "VOODO"

ITS FACT, in E V E R Y  medical research study, where they have to evaluate
actual results.

They address PLACEBO EFFECT

What part of this "DO" you understand ?
I present Evidence
A documented ANOMALY

Chet

E;Tu btutemous  P.U.D.
show me those pretty "CAPS"

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2010, 01:24:23 PM »
Wilby
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if you have some material evidence or a logical proof, great! present it.
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                                                So Chetty mentioned
                                               "THE PLACEBO EFFECT"
                                                 also known as FAITH

This I offer once again as an example of  a higher power working through his creation.

God will Honor the Faith of a heathen

It s quite amazing what we can do if we "BELIEVE"

Nothing to do with religion.

Placebo is no "VOODO"

ITS FACT, in E V E R Y  medical research study, where they have to evaluate
actual results.

They address PLACEBO EFFECT

What part of this "DO" you understand ?
I present Evidence
A documented ANOMALY

Chet

E;Tu btutemous  P.U.D.
show me those pretty "CAPS"
this is not material evidence, nor is it a logical proof. a documented anomaly doesn't qualify as material evidence of god anymore than tenbatsu's DMT is material evidence of a 'spirit molecule'... non sequitur. IT DOES NOT FOLLOW.

chetty, it is more than obvious you wish to be a cheerleader and not a player, at least do yourself the favor of learning what a cogent argument is and how to apply logic and reason. learning about the various fallacies, non sequitur, etc. would also serve you well...

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2010, 01:24:23 PM »
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Re: vetting god
« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2010, 01:37:28 PM »
Wilby ,
Maybe your right !
I don't understand! I see "the placebo effect" as logical proof.

That's my reality ,not yours! [yet].

So ...........
You have an explanation for the worlds most documented example of the closest thing you can get, next to a slap on the head from the creator himself?

Just how physical does your example have to be to meet the criteria of this thread?

The physical effects connected with "The placebo effect"[Faith],

Boggle the mind!!

Chetty
Oh , sorry
I'm done [that slow thing again]

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2010, 01:57:03 PM »
chetty... you make me laugh ::)

from your hallowed wiki:
Placebo effect, the tendency of any medication or treatment, even an inert or ineffective one, to exhibit results simply because the recipient believes that it will work.

now lets apply some logic starting with the definition of placebo effect. "...simply because the recipient BELIEVES that it will work." why do they believe it will work? because they don't know it's a sugar pill (inert)... and the non-sugar pill they took before DID work. now, let us take the case of 'near beer' and someone who has never before drank 'real beer' but has seen its effects (MATERIAL EVIDENCE) on others. if they drink the 'near beer' under the ASSUMPTION that it is 'real beer' they might experience the placebo effect, but what do you think will happen if they are told it is inert prior to consumption? are you suggesting the placebo effect occurs if the recipient KNOWS it's a sugar pill?

let us take a look at your hallowed wiki's definition of faith which is a subset of belief:
faith, a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence."
it should be clear now why it DOES NOT FOLLOW.

now go google 'logical fallacies' and 'non sequitur' and stop asking me to hold you by the hand and educate you...

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Re: vetting god
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Re: vetting god
« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2010, 02:02:20 PM »
Wilby
Google "Malignant melanoma"

I wasn't talking about sugar pills and "TUMMY ACHES"

Mind Boggling stuff
Completely unexplainable
{snicker]
Chetty

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2010, 02:04:53 PM »
Wilby
Google "Malignant melanoma"

I wasn't talking about sugar pills and "TUMMY ACHES"

Mind Boggling stuff
Completely unexplainable
{snicker]
Chetty
completely irrelevant... ::)

let us try a little exercise chetty. please enlighten us as to what is the premise and what is the conclusion in your 'placebo logic', and i use the word logic loosely here, quoted below.
What part of "Faith" is so foreign to you that you can't even look at the
Placebo effect and see an unexplainable "ANOMALY"

I see faith
I see Placebo [a manifestation of '"FAITH"]

I see a creator that Honors "FAITH"

Perhaps you have a better explanation for a placebo?

Chet

when you can manage that, we can continue.

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2010, 02:04:53 PM »
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Re: vetting god
« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2010, 02:09:51 PM »
Its  "Completely Irrelevant "
In Wilby's world!

So far!

Enjoy !

You don't understand it ,you can't explain it,

you think its all in WEEKY

Enjoy!

Chetty

OH
the slow thing again

Faith

I see a creator that honors faith

manifested in what WEEky calls the placebo effect.

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2010, 02:12:13 PM »
Its  "Completely Irrelevant "
In Wilby's world!

So far!

Enjoy !

You don't understand it ,you can't explain it,

you think its all in WEEKY

Enjoy!

Chetty
it is compeletly irrelevant because you cannot logically demonstrate 'how it follows'... you don't even comprehend what your premise and conclusion is. ::)

again, let us try a little exercise chetty. please enlighten us as to what is the premise and what is the conclusion in your 'placebo logic', and i use the word logic loosely here, quoted below.
What part of "Faith" is so foreign to you that you can't even look at the
Placebo effect and see an unexplainable "ANOMALY"

I see faith
I see Placebo [a manifestation of '"FAITH"]

I see a creator that Honors "FAITH"

Perhaps you have a better explanation for a placebo?

Chet

when you can manage that, we can continue.

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2010, 02:12:13 PM »
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Re: vetting god
« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2010, 02:19:51 PM »
                                                                    'how it follows"
                                           I thought I explained my beliefs fairly well
                                                                  I'll pray about it ,
                                                               and get back to you
                                                                       Chetty

                                                                Summary
                                                                 
                                                                    Faith

                                                  I see a creator that honors faith

                                    manifested in what WEEky calls the placebo effect.

                                                I'm not done yet [still have to pray]
                                                        This could take some time!


                                                              You can continue.............
                                               You need a Hug or anything??
                                                      well OK than................
                                                               The "D" one!
But I can't play anymore !
I have to go build that Hydrogen thingy!
Later
Chetty
Oh
And Pray!

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2010, 02:25:39 PM »
                                                                  I'll pray about it ,
                                                               and get back to you
::) that will be about as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubblegum...

you don't need to pray to tell what was the premise and what was the conclusion, you're just stalling. and if you could be so kind, please tell us whether your argument was deductive or inductive...


http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/prior.html

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Re: vetting god
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Re: vetting god
« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2010, 04:45:49 PM »
WilbyInebriated, I think you missed the point of my original post.  There is no conclusive evidence for either atheists, theists, or agnostics to be the victor.  This is an argument with no end and therefore your original rules are meaningless and futile as no one would be able to respond to "your" thread on a public forum.

Your aggressive stance and trolling demeanor does nothing for your position and makes you look childish and immature.  This forum has been in desperate need for proper moderation for some time now and you are becoming another example of that.

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« Reply #57 on: August 06, 2010, 04:48:44 PM »
This thread is a perfect example why Jesus said, “Don’t cast your pearls before swine.”

“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces" (Matthew 7:6).

Spiritual dumbness has nothing to do with one's IQ. You can be a certified genius yet be dumb as a rock in spiritual matters.

Don't waste your time preaching to those who are obviously hardened and scornful. They will turn and tear you to pieces with their words, which is exactly what is happening in this thread. We have an angry dog spinning in circles and biting at everyone around it.

Clearly, what is happening here shows the wisdom of those words He spoke thousands of years ago.

Amazing, isn’t it?

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #58 on: August 06, 2010, 05:01:02 PM »
WilbyInebriated, I think you missed the point of my original post.  There is no conclusive evidence for either atheists, theists, or agnostics to be the victor.  This is an argument with no end and therefore your original rules are meaningless and futile as no one would be able to respond to "your" thread on a public forum.

Your aggressive stance and trolling demeanor does nothing for your position and makes you look childish and immature.  This forum has been in desperate need for proper moderation for some time now and you are becoming another example of that.
i understood completely. however, in point of fact, it had been requested several times that you don't post if you cannot provide material evidence or a logical proof. you choose to post regardless... this is an argument which should never have begun, and never would have, had you (and the others) shown some regard.

you are the example of the need for proper moderation...

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2010, 05:02:24 PM »
This thread is a perfect example why Jesus said, “Don’t cast your pearls before swine.”

“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces" (Matthew 7:6).

Spiritual dumbness has nothing to do with one's IQ. You can be a certified genius yet be dumb as a rock in spiritual matters.

Don't waste your time preaching to those who are obviously hardened and scornful. They will turn and tear you to pieces with their words, which is exactly what is happening in this thread. We have an angry dog spinning in circles and biting at everyone around it.

Clearly, what is happening here shows the wisdom of those words He spoke thousands of years ago.

Amazing, isn’t it?
and yet you cannot provide a single shred of material evidence nor a logical proof of your imaginary godfairy, imagine that. amazing isn't it... ::) furthermore, you are putting the cart before the horse. vet your imaginary godfairy before you go spouting its alleged dogma.

this thread is a perfect example of why bertrand russell said ""what a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. the origin of myths is explained in this way."

 

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