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Offline icanbeatbob

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2010, 07:52:40 PM »
Rosemary,

Thank you. You speak in terms which I understand. Although I do not agree with all of your assessments, it is refreshing to comprehend your logic.

All too many times I have pondered the question about god. Looked into many religions and belief systems trying to find a better understanding.

Is god an entity, or energy, or what? The word god conjures up many different realities for many people. Personally I find it intriguing because it seems a way for people to try to grasp a reality in which they can comprehend.

We are animals with intellect. Animals love and they don't think about god. Depending on ones own experience and mental capacity, we all have our own way of thinking about things. As for me, my journey has led me to believe the more I know, the more I realize what I don't know. Absolute truth will always be subjective in my mind because it is like the universe, never ending. But if I figure out the square root of pi, then I know I am close..........

Striping away the ego, the emotion and the prejudices within allows one to look further. But, in saying that, that is what casts shadows on the whole god thing. Believing in god is purely an emotional realm as I see it so far. Not saying that believing is god is wrong, just that it is emotional.  It also seems to me that we are slowly distancing ourselves further apart as a whole or unity because we losing some of the innate natural consciousness that takes away from natures intent, which I believe is survival.

God is like over unity.  Will always try to find it with or without success.

By the way, over the years I have had met many others who have changed my mind on many subjects. So what I just said may not be true to me in 10 more years, just for now.

Good luck and will to you.

B


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Re: vetting god
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2010, 07:52:40 PM »

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2010, 07:13:12 AM »
larryc, this thread isn't to ask questions about why someone doesn't like farrah... do it in a private msg.
icanbeatbob, this thread isn't for you to post insults, nor is it for your personal opinions on what 'god' is... start your own thread about your opinions.

@ all, this thread is specially dedicated to the subject of VETTING god. what you 'think' god is does not qualify.

if you have some material evidence or a logical proof, great! present it. if not, don't post.
WHY DO I HAVE TO KEEP REPEATING THIS?

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2010, 08:14:28 AM »
Sorry to tread on your thread. You shouldn't have to monitor your own thread. Won't happen again.

Cheers!

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2010, 08:14:28 AM »
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Offline the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2010, 07:18:44 PM »
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Offline 11:11

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2010, 08:58:11 PM »
@11:11

Wow, how can one elaborate on the divine truth of which you speak?

Let me see now. You come here making metaphorical statements and a few logical ones that I happen to agree with. Scary thought.

But to come here and talk about farray day and her poison is so damned funny. What is your objective or agenda? Is it to share your supreme understanding?

You don't believe in proof. You don't seem to need it. But I must ask, are you saying these things to improve ones understand of what you feel truth is? If so, maybe you should lower yourself to others conscious processes, like mine, by speaking in a way that most of us do, without others having to try to figure out what the hell you are saying.

If you want followers, no doubt you can find them. They don't need proof either, just a willingness to believe in your wisdom.

Here is the fun part for you. Now you get to respond, no doubt with selfless intent, in order to show others the way of my misguidance.

Your turn. Enlighten me oh great one.



i shouldn't bother to explain myself,
to someone like you.

because people like you,
have a tendency,
to take everything that is said,
and twist it into a distasteful mockery of the truth.



i recently ended an association,
with someone for whom my best,
was never good enough.

they always found something of mine to criticize.
even when they had to invent things to criticize me about.

and to hell if they ever saw me,
for who i really was.

because they were not considerate enough,
to want to know the real me.



i have no need to waste time,
on a person like that again.

swimming through quick sand,
would be less caustic,
to my minds structural integrity.



but i will say,
that the thought forms that i have,
are the only thought forms that i own.

i cannot think like other people think.
and i am sick of other people thinking,
that i should think more like them.

if i told you that you should think more like i think,
than you might have an idea,
of how rotten it feels,
to be told that.



i find your thought forms,
to be at least as repulsive,
as you find my thought forms to be repulsive,
bob.

though likely more so.



i could not be paid enough,
to willingly adapt the thought forms that i see,
in much of society.

because i notice things that go unnoticed.
shockingly and appallingly unnoticed.

and i am grateful from Allah to Zedd,
that i notice what most do not notice.



by the way.
i read what bob and drunk willy posted,
immediately above this post.

but drunk willy is dead to me.
so meh.



maybe if sananda resurrected willy from the dead,
than i would listen to willy again.

but of course,
willy would have to first submit physical proof,
that willy lives again.

because willy could not reasonably promote a personal opinion,
that his subjective belief system,
has not first confirmed,
to be absolutely and undeniably real.



........an opinion that is absolutely real.

you might as well try to prove,
that george w bush,
did not publicly lie,
hundreds of times.



it still irritates me like an ebola infection,
that clinton got canned,
for lying "once",
over something that effected no one.



yet bush lied "hundreds of times",
over things that effected EVERYONE.

yet he didn't get canned,
nobody cared,
and the people who had access to fire arms and anti-chip-ammunition,
still supported him,
as if he were the best thing since sliced bread.



i like chocolate,
more than i like ice cream.

but drunk willy,
will first have to physically prove his non-undead status,
if he wants to refute my claims to chocolate preference !




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Re: vetting god
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2010, 08:58:11 PM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2010, 04:58:10 AM »
11:11 this is the third time i have had to say this to you.
i repeat, this thread is specially dedicated to the subject of VETTING god. what you 'think' god is does not qualify. babbling about what thought forms you have or like to have does not qualify. babbling about whom you quit associations with does not qualify. babbling about your political preferences does not qualify... in point of fact, NONE of your posts qualify.

if you have some material evidence or a logical proof, great! present it. why is this so difficult? it's only one deity to vet, it's not like i am asking you to vet all 1,111 of your 'spirit guardians'...

please keep your posts to the topic. thank you for your cooperation. don't post again without material evidence or a logical proof or you will be reported to the moderator.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2010, 06:56:38 AM by WilbyInebriated »

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2010, 07:10:39 AM »
11:11 this is the third time i have had to say this to you.
i repeat, this thread is specially dedicated to the subject of VETTING god. what you 'think' god is does not qualify. babbling about what thought forms you have or like to have does not qualify. babbling about whom you quit associations with does not qualify. babbling about your political preferences does not qualify... in point of fact, NONE of your posts qualify.

if you have some material evidence or a logical proof, great! present it. why is this so difficult? it's only one deity to vet, it's not like i am asking you to vet all 1,111 of your 'spirit guardians'...

please keep your posts to the topic. thank you for your cooperation. don't post again with material evidence or a logical proof or you will be reported to the moderator.



if you had typed that without challenging me,
than i might have respected your wishes.

but you cannot declare war against someones testicles,
AND expect to diplomatically get a cease fire,
at the same time.

you cannot have your cake,
and eat it too.

because you are not bribing others with enough money,
to do so.



i will address the large errors in your argumentational position,
when i'm in a better mood.

because right now,
i have more important things to work on,
than outlining your unsupportable,
philosophically bankrupt,
self-defeating,
line of thinking.



by the way.
the mods on this website,
do not care.

if they did care,
than many of the active forum posters,
would have been banned long ago.

banned for posts that are far worse,
than anything that i have ever posted.



banned BEFORE they had scared away most of the talent,
that actually presented innovative ideas.

not unlike how they are still scaring the talent away,
with pitch forks and torches,
to this day.



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Re: vetting god
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2010, 07:10:39 AM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2010, 08:26:27 AM »


if you had typed that without challenging me,
than i might have respected your wishes.

but you cannot declare war against someones testicles,
AND expect to diplomatically get a cease fire,
at the same time.

you cannot have your cake,
and eat it too.

because you are not bribing others with enough money,
to do so.



i will address the large errors in your argumentational position,
when i'm in a better mood.

because right now,
i have more important things to work on,
than outlining your unsupportable,
philosophically bankrupt,
self-defeating,
line of thinking.



by the way.
the mods on this website,
do not care.

if they did care,
than many of the active forum posters,
would have been banned long ago.

banned for posts that are far worse,
than anything that i have ever posted.



banned BEFORE they had scared away most of the talent,
that actually presented innovative ideas.

not unlike how they are still scaring the talent away,
with pitch forks and torches,
to this day.
i didn't challenge 'you', and what's your mood got to do with it? mood is a thing for cattle or making love or playing the baliset... you're just dancing around, using logical fallacies as your argument, trying to avoid the FACT that you cannot provide a single shred of material evidence nor a logical proof. which, i might add, does nothing to advance your position. your repeated lack of material evidence and refusal to provide a logical proof only serves to strengthen my position...
furthermore, it is not necessary for you to outline my 'unsupportable, philosophically bankrupt, self-defeating, line of thinking', because that still does not vet your imaginary godfairy... but feel free to engage in more strawman and red herring arguments that further demonstrate your inability to vet your imaginary godfairy.

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2010, 09:24:23 AM »
Wilby:

Very interesting topic.

My only evidence is me.  I type, therefore I am.  Or at least, I am here.  Only God could make someone like me, with all of my faults...any other manufacturer would have not let me pass QC and I would have been recycled.

Proof?  Not really I suppose.  But it was the best that I could do given the circumstances and the available information I had at hand at the time of my post.

I hope you are well and still ice fishing in the winter using a JT flashlight.

Bill

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Re: vetting god
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Re: vetting god
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2010, 09:39:37 AM »
hi bill, thanks for the humorous response. great timing.

i am well and hope you are too. to be truthful, i can't wait for hard water, even though the summer fishing has been great this year. i still have a couple jt's in the hard water kit for shining up glow jigs, but switched the icehouse lighting to a SEC circuit. i was playing around using the whole lake instead of just a glass of water... ;) interesting stuff.

Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2010, 12:14:13 AM »

it still irritates me like an ebola infection,
that clinton got canned,
for lying "once",
over something that effected no one.



yet bush lied "hundreds of times",
over things that effected EVERYONE.

Clinton lost his job?  Who knew?  I thought he served the full 8 years.

Anyway, it is impossible to prove that there is a god, mainly because there is no god, but also because there is no religion out there that believes in a god that can be sensed in any way.  (Unanswered prayers are written off to "god's will," and so forth.)  So this challenge will go unanswered, and this thread is going nowhere, not that it's important to believers.  They do not need evidence, they have faith.

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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2010, 01:43:35 AM »
shrugged, i repeat, this thread is specially dedicated to the subject of VETTING god. what you 'think' god is (or isn't) does not qualify. you obviously saw that i wrote this numerous times already... do you think you are special? do i have to specifically say this to everyone that posts in this thread?

if you have some material evidence or a logical proof, great!, post it. otherwise keep your opinions and comments to yourself.

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2010, 03:29:19 AM »
shrugged, i repeat, this thread is specially dedicated to the subject of VETTING god. what you 'think' god is (or isn't) does not qualify. you obviously saw that i wrote this numerous times already... do you think you are special? do i have to specifically say this to everyone that posts in this thread?

if you have some material evidence or a logical proof, great!, post it. otherwise keep your opinions and comments to yourself.

It cannot be done.  There is no proof of god and can be no proof of god, and I think you know this.  It does not take a great intellect to logically debunk pretty much any religious claim out there, but I think the recent string of authors - Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris - who in fact are great intellects, have pretty much shredded all religious arguments beyond doubt. 

All that is left is faith, not reason.  And this is why no religious person would even care to vet his god for you.  Evidence does not matter in light of faith.

What I don't get is why faith in a divine being is considered such a virtue.  Why would willingness to blindly believe in something that in turn shapes your life, despite a complete lack of evidence for such beliefs, be considered a positive trait is beyond me.  I can understand faith in people, who have a track record that can be verified.  But I cannot understand faith in some old book, whose chain of custody cannot be even guessed at.

But I think that  is the better question to ask.  Why do the faithful believe?

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2010, 03:34:17 AM »
It cannot be done.  There is no proof of god and can be no proof of god, and I think you know this.  It does not take a great intellect to logically debunk pretty much any religious claim out there, but I think the recent string of authors - Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris - who in fact are great intellects, have pretty much shredded all religious arguments beyond doubt. 

All that is left is faith, not reason.  And this is why no religious person would even care to vet his god for you.  Evidence does not matter in light of faith.

What I don't get is why faith in a divine being is considered such a virtue.  Why would willingness to blindly believe in something that in turn shapes your life, despite a complete lack of evidence for such beliefs, be considered a positive trait is beyond me.  I can understand faith in people, who have a track record that can be verified.  But I cannot understand faith in some old book, whose chain of custody cannot be even guessed at.
you're not really very bright. what part of "shrugged, i repeat, this thread is specially dedicated to the subject of VETTING god. what you 'think' god is (or isn't) does not qualify. you obviously saw that i wrote this numerous times already... do you think you are special? do i have to specifically say this to everyone that posts in this thread?

if you have some material evidence or a logical proof, great!, post it. otherwise keep your opinions and comments to yourself." didn't you understand?

But I think that  is the better question to ask.  Why do the faithful believe?
great! grand! wonderful! start your own thread about it then... and quit posting here if you cannot provide some material evidence or a logical proof.

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2010, 03:42:32 AM »
attention everyone. what has been said to the others also applies to you. if you cannot provide material evidence or a logical proof don't post.

this means you... and you shrugged... and you ramset...  don't make yourselves look totally asinine by continuing to post.

 

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