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Offline WilbyInebriated

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vetting god
« on: July 23, 2010, 10:40:11 PM »
here is a thread for theists like techstuf to vet their deity...

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2010, 03:41:43 AM »
here is a thread for theists like techstuf to vet their deity...
Don't forget to add your own views any time the spiritual inspiration strikes you like a righteous lightning bolt from a cloudless sky.  Hallelujah!!   ;D   :(   ::)   :-\   :D   :( 

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2010, 05:00:13 AM »


since someone created a thread specially dedicated to this subject,
i guess this is the perfect place to spill the beans.


i think that "most" of the humans living on this planet,
have a soul.

this soul is very similar to a quartz crystal.
but instead of being made out of silicon and oxygen,
this soul crystal is made out of pure energy.

a firearm cannot damage this soul with bullets.
but electromagnetic thoughts and feelings,
can reshape this energy-crystal.

either expanding this soul constructively,
or damaging it heinously (farrah day's out of control typing-claws).



nuclear radiation can shatter this soul crystal.
so that the agonized pieces have to be found and reassembled,
by higher density individuals.

but who cares about that branch of the subject !



over time,
layers are grown onto the soul crystal.

over billions of years,
and millions of reincarnation,
what started as a grain of sand,
eventually grows into a quartz crystal,
which is the size of a large house.

the soul started out understanding nothing,
but EVENTUALLY comes to understand everything.



so that eventually,
when the universe has grown too old and stagnant,
a fully grown soul crystal leaves the universe it evolved in.

and starts a new universe elsewhere.
where the developed soul crystal breaks off small chunks of itself,
to create trillions of sand-sized soul-crystals.

just like it itself started as a grain of energy-sand.
small,
powerless,
and not understanding jack about squat.



the developed soul crystal,
then manages the development,
of its trillions of offspring.

so that their layering progresses,
as quickly and painlessly,
as reasonably possible.

so that after billions of years have passed,
each of those grains of soul-sand,
have themselves grown to be the size of a large house.

then each of those trillions of house sized soul crystals,
leaves the universe they formed in,
and each one creates their own new universe,
somewhere else.



and so on,
and so on,
and so on.
forever and ever.

and there are so many universes created,
that NOTHING will ever be able to destroy them all.



but even if some farrah-jerk did destroy them all,
with her typing-claws,
than eventually new soul crystals would form out of the chaos.

to perfect the process of constructively growing themselves.
until we ended up with the exact same process that we have now......



i think that "god" exists.
but that it is just an extremely old soul crystal,
who started way before our souls started.

billions of years ago,
god was just as stupid and foolish as any of us are.

and he/it got so tired of the layer of reality that we live on,
that he/it has little to do with us directly.
do to the boredom factor.

that he/it only takes action to effect us,
when it is very important to our development,
for he/it to do so.



and in a few billion years from now,
we will have become exactly like god is now.

and we will all go off,
start our own universe,
create countless little idiot cronies,
and beat the shit out of them with the karmic system,
until each one of them is also the equal of "god".



my theory might paint a long and boring view of reality.
but it has got to be better,
than main stream religions track record.



"god" is just us, but was around sooner.
and they just want us to grow our understanding and wisdom.




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Re: vetting god
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2010, 05:00:13 AM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2010, 05:33:37 AM »
11:11
this thread is specially dedicated to the subject of VETTING god. what you 'think' god is does not qualify.
if you have some material evidence or a logical proof, great! present it.

thank you for your cooperation.

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2010, 07:24:11 PM »
I know you started this , but maybe you used the wrong term:

vetting;

 Vetting is a process of examination and evaluation, generally referring to performing a background check on someone before offering him or her employment, conferring an award, etc. In addition, in intelligence gathering, assets are vetted to determine their usefulness.

so in a sense the other guy who posted gave his opinion on a background check about gods usefulness.....not to say it may not be fact, but what kind of facts do you offer

I contend that no one on this planet can offer any real facts, and vetting an unknown is not a worthwhile project

Nonetheless I do believe in a higher intelligence/power/god if you will , but it is more of the same view as some more enlightened people

in the expanse of the universe there is an abundant supply of pure energy (not potential) ....all atoms show us this.

I believe also that higher power exist as such, and that our soul/consciousness is also of that pure energy.....only while inside of us , it does have potential

 from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_energy

In physics, potential energy is the energy stored in a body or in a system due to its position in a force field or due to its configuration

so a "god" energy would not be contained in a body, only once that same pure energy is captured ( somehow) could it begin to take form and shape

so I ask you....how do you do a background check on something that has no form

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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2010, 09:13:58 PM »
I know you started this , but maybe you used the wrong term:

vetting;

 Vetting is a process of examination and evaluation, generally referring to performing a background check on someone before offering him or her employment, conferring an award, etc. In addition, in intelligence gathering, assets are vetted to determine their usefulness.
well, lets see. it says 'generally referring to' right? problem is, i specifically specified god, so it's obvious i wasn't referring to performing a background check in the modern sense of the word. go back to your wiki, read the rest of the page and cases, and see if you can figure out why i was using that term in the context i did.

so in a sense the other guy who posted gave his opinion on a background check about gods usefulness.....not to say it may not be fact, but what kind of facts do you offer
key word there, opinion... i offer no facts, it's not necessary for me to do so. i'm not a theist. i don't believe in godfairies, and i'm not spreading the word of them to others.

I contend that no one on this planet can offer any real facts, and vetting an unknown is not a worthwhile project
do you have any material evidence or a logical proof to present?

Nonetheless I do believe in a higher intelligence/power/god if you will , but it is more of the same view as some more enlightened people

in the expanse of the universe there is an abundant supply of pure energy (not potential) ....all atoms show us this.

I believe also that higher power exist as such, and that our soul/consciousness is also of that pure energy.....only while inside of us , it does have potential

 from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_energy

In physics, potential energy is the energy stored in a body or in a system due to its position in a force field or due to its configuration

so a "god" energy would not be contained in a body, only once that same pure energy is captured ( somehow) could it begin to take form and shape
this thread is specially dedicated to the subject of VETTING god. what you 'believe' god is does not qualify. furthermore, since you like to pick at verbage, i think you used the wrong term. to say you 'have faith' would have been a better choice than to say you believe. go look up faith in your hallowed wiki and you will see what i mean ;)
if you have some material evidence or a logical proof, great! present it.
thank you for your cooperation.

so I ask you....how do you do a background check on something that has no form
not my problem, i am not a theist.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2010, 09:37:54 PM by WilbyInebriated »

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2010, 12:19:35 AM »
you got me.....flaws

all kinds of flaws in the traditional god

also...no facts to confirm

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Re: vetting god
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Re: vetting god
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2010, 12:34:57 AM »


most things that exist,
do not leave "physical proof".

either because their physical parts are "proof" of nothing,
or because most of the components that they are composed of,
are not even physical.



for the above reasons,
a person who only understands physical proof,
is incapable,
of understanding most of the universe.

because most of the universe,
would either be inconclusive to their self-squished brain,
or would be invisible to their non-physical mental perception.

AKA a willful belief based blindness,
in physical proof only.

AKA ultra-hypocricy.



but it gets even more hypocritical than that.

because a persons opinion,
that physical proof is required,
is itself mostly non-physical.

because opinion is a thought,
and thoughts are mostly non-physical !

so a person who only honors physical proof,
should also be physically and ethically incapable,
of honoring their own opinion !



they also could not honor their own perception of reality.
because perception,
while often using physical things as reference points,
is mostly made of non-physical thinking.



physical proof is a crutch,
that people who don't understand how probability works,
often use to comfort themselves with.

people who insist,
that physical proof is important,
when all of reality amounts to an educated guess.

their own educated guess,
that physical proof is important,
is no more valid,
than an educated guess,
that insists that god is real.



a belief in physical proof,
is for suckers and chumps.

it is worthless at best,
extremely limiting at so-so,
and destroys peoples quality of life at worst.

and if their belief effects all of society,
than it destroys the quality of life,
of all of society.

it is a thief that steals from people,
at least as much as the cAtholic Lurch and its Dope,
steals from people.



there is a greater probability that some god being real,
than there is a probability,
that physical proof is a reasonable and constructive belief system.

a god "could" exist.
but physical proof-ism ALWAYS fails to help anything.



someone can construct a a semi-functional god-bot more easily,
than they can convert the erroneous belief in physical proof-ism,
into a constructive methodology,
by which to operate someones brain.

you should not believe in a god who does the work for you.
but you should believe in physical proof, even less !



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Re: vetting god
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2010, 01:24:57 AM »
11:11
i repeat, this thread is specially dedicated to the subject of VETTING god. what you 'think' god is does not qualify.
if you have some material evidence or a logical proof, great! present it. why is this so difficult? it's only one deity to vet, it's not like i am asking you to vet all 1,111 of your 'spirit guardians'...

thank you for your cooperation.

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2010, 01:15:02 AM »
@11:11,

I understand most of what you are saying and agree in part, but what does this mean (farrah day's out of control typing-claws)?

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2010, 01:53:15 AM »


farrah day is a female british person,
with a mean-streak as wide as the atlantic ocean.

even by the historical standards of the average british person,
her viciousness is in the excess.



farrah day is known for committing the most heinous psychological attacks imaginable,
on this forum.

she has found a way to soak her words in cyanide,
before posting them.



she/it projects her personal opinion onto others,
as if she/it is the only valid mind that exists.

yet utterly fails to listen to others.
beyond the amount of listening that it takes,
to invent a new way,
to scrag other peoples minds.



i don't know how often her typing-claws have been slashing over the last few months,
or if she hasn't finally been banned by a mod.

i've almost given up on contributing to this forum in the past,
because a presence as downright awful as hers,
appeared to be tolerated here.




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Re: vetting god
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2010, 04:26:33 AM »
11:11, you need 911.

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Re: vetting god
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2010, 09:36:42 AM »
11:11, you need 911.



care to elaborate on your opinion ?
or are we to assume that you have no constructive opinion to share ?



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Re: vetting god
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2010, 10:32:12 AM »
@11:11

Wow, how can one elaborate on the divine truth of which you speak?

Let me see now. You come here making metaphorical statements and a few logical ones that I happen to agree with. Scary thought.

But to come here and talk about farray day and her poison is so damned funny. What is your objective or agenda? Is it to share your supreme understanding?

You don't believe in proof. You don't seem to need it. But I must ask, are you saying these things to improve ones understand of what you feel truth is? If so, maybe you should lower yourself to others conscious processes, like mine, by speaking in a way that most of us do, without others having to try to figure out what the hell you are saying.

If you want followers, no doubt you can find them. They don't need proof either, just a willingness to believe in your wisdom.

Here is the fun part for you. Now you get to respond, no doubt with selfless intent, in order to show others the way of my misguidance.

Your turn. Enlighten me oh great one.




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Re: vetting god
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2010, 11:05:26 AM »
Hi everyone.  An interesting subject.  If I had to try and prove that God existed I'd probably point to the fact that there appears to be an existence of matter and the possibility is therefore that there was some 'cause' to generate that matter.  And then - perhaps that 'cause' is God?  But it's all pretty bewildering.  Frankly I think it takes enormous courage not to believe in God.  And probably a fair helping of courage to believe in a personal God. All that supervision.  The attack on the unco-operative conscience.  Not a happy thought. Brave reach here guys.  I'm of the opinion that this 'gift' of life, if such it is, and if it is not a happy accident - is actually something that I'd rather do without.  It's way too 'gravity bound'.  And way too much tedium in those daily imperatives.  I'd rather propose that there was a radical design flaw if we've really been created.  Hopefully evolution will eventually put things right and make things more bearable.  Meanwhile - if there is a personal God out there?  Then I confess - I've lost the plot.  Pretty lights in the night sky and some wonderful views of this our earth.  But dear me.  I've seen enough of both.  And human nature?  That's a misnomer.  There seems to be very little that's natural in humans.  We've become as overspecialised as the dinosaurs. 


 

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