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Author Topic: Centrifugual water generator idear  (Read 16378 times)

Offline Cherryman

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Centrifugual water generator idear
« on: July 19, 2010, 09:42:02 PM »
Hi All, playing with some thoughts..

Trying to harness centrifugal forces i came up with this..

It's just a schematic impression, but i think the idea is clear.

Due to the water is able to flow back into the reservoir, and the water will be sucked up automatically , the device could be interesting once the (heavy) flywheel is up to speed.

I just made a few possibilities, as a concept.. 

any thoughts? 

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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2010, 10:55:44 PM »

I'll have a double schauburger to go, with everything on it.


And a side of fries.


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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2010, 10:59:34 PM »
Want a drink to?  I have a nice vortex-shake  ;D

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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2010, 12:45:00 AM »
WOW !, this is so weird. I had an idea similar to yours a few years back, except my idea had a belt with buckets instead of water wheels.

My idea was sort of a funnel shape, but still the same idea.

Are you going to build CherryMan ?. It would be cool to find out if the idea works.

Keep up the good work  ;) 

I've got a feeling that this could be very efficient.

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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2010, 11:52:41 PM »
A centrifugal siphon! What a great idea :)

I have never been thinking of that before. The only thing I have concerns about are the direction of the water that will probably work as a gyroscope that will break down the rotation of the tube. Maybe not. The forces should maybe be enough to raise water quite high without using other energy than sustaining the rotation?

This must be tested. Great idea that gives lots of hope. Thanks for sharing :)

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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2010, 03:12:15 AM »
Cherryman and all

 If you like this. Here is a simple test that I have already done with similar thoughts and effects but a different design. Take a bucket with a hole funneled in the bottom with a hose that goes out the bottom and up the side to the edge of the bucket to try to flow back in. Then tie a rope to the handle of the bucket and fill with water and spin it around as hard as you can. The water will stay in the bucket but little water if any will come out of the hose. This is a test you should do before trying this design in a build. I chose to go no further on mine.

But I find allot of good thought to come up with the design.

Alan

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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2010, 07:48:50 AM »
Cherryman and all

 If you like this. Here is a simple test that I have already done with similar thoughts and effects but a different design. Take a bucket with a hole funneled in the bottom with a hose that goes out the bottom and up the side to the edge of the bucket to try to flow back in. Then tie a rope to the handle of the bucket and fill with water and spin it around as hard as you can. The water will stay in the bucket but little water if any will come out of the hose. This is a test you should do before trying this design in a build. I chose to go no further on mine.

But I find allot of good thought to come up with the design.

Alan

Hello AB, I think the test you describe is not the same. With the test you describe the water in the hose has to fight the
rotational force to go back in the bucket. So actually you exchange gravity for rotational force. Therefore creating an equal, that will not work or very slow.

If you want to apply your test on the device above then you simply make a hole in the bucket and swing it around and watch the speed in which the water
leaves the hole in the bucket.  The hose back is not necessary. 

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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2010, 01:38:50 PM »
I am thinking about something like this:
A turbine are combined with the water intake. It will require energy to start this thing as we are lifting water upwards in the beginning. When the hose are all filled up, the centrifugal forces will suck in water through the turbine. The turbine will then be powered by the centrifugal forces in the water. Either, this thing will not work at all, or we will loose controll of the RPM... Maybe be limited by loss in air resistance and bearings. I have a feeling this will work because I do not know exactly what parameters which will prevent this to be a selfrunner....

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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2010, 01:49:15 PM »
Very similar design:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4348-water-turbine-project.html

I suggest you read some of Viktor Schaubergers book, you'll find all the information you need in them.

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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2010, 03:55:15 PM »
Very similar design:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4348-water-turbine-project.html

I suggest you read some of Viktor Schaubergers book, you'll find all the information you need in them.
Some of the last designs looks similar, but I don't understand that the nozzles will act as jets. The water velocity will go down in the tube, so the nozzle velocity will probably not provide enough power to turn the wheel alone. I think that a turbine placed in a "dead" area, like in the water intake, would be a better approach - and just let the water have as free float as possible instead of resist it with nozzles.

As a start it should be possible to use a regular plastic fan you'll find in most computers, or in RC-flight applications. Fix this inside a plastic tube at the water intake, and let the water flow freely through it, and then split this tube outwards to create the centrifugal force.

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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2010, 08:17:06 PM »
The only thing I have concerns about are the direction of the water that will probably work as a gyroscope that will break down the rotation of the tube. Maybe not. The forces should maybe be enough to raise water quite high without using other energy than sustaining the rotation?

Well, I quote myself here, but I have thought more about the issue above. How could fire fighters move the water hose from side to side if the massive flow of water was preventing it to do so? I assume I can let that concern go. So then there are in theory no force needed to rotate the hose and lift the water upwards, but the water can do work when it falls down, or do as it was supposed to do: Use the high speed water flow in a centrifugal waterwheel to run a couple of generators.

The limit however are 9.82m, but with loads of water we have a power plant for free :)

Gravity has been defeated - finally ;D

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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2010, 11:47:14 PM »
I wonder if this centrifugal idea can be transferred to a magnetic based system - a permanent magnet motor that works only with a portion centrifugal force, maybe to overcome sticky spots and so on?

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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2010, 03:29:10 PM »
`Low-q.

If you take an rotating sprinkler, those simple things that rotate due to the water flow
and you enlenghten the outflow tubes, preferably also with a larger diameter
You could test the "self running" easy by putting the inflow with a hose in a bucket
then spinning the thing up and see what happens.


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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2010, 06:51:55 PM »
Yes. Imagine me in the bathtub screaming 'yeeeeehaaaa!' and swing that hose like a lasso:) I hope my wife don't mind cleaning up after me:)

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Re: Centrifugual water generator idear
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2010, 12:23:52 AM »
Yes. Imagine me in the bathtub screaming 'yeeeeehaaaa!' and swing that hose like a lasso:) I hope my wife don't mind cleaning up after me:)

LOL  ;D

 

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