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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder  (Read 266563 times)

Offline Omnibus

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@ashtweth_nihilisti,

I wonder why are you so much emphasizing on the scope? Scope should be the least of your worries once you have proper probes and once you understand the intricacies of the data processing. So, let's start with the probes -- what are they and what are you actually measuring? Here in this forum there are some pretty sophisticated participants and it will be a good idea to post the schematics under study and the details as to how you actually do the measurements so that we can hear some competent input. I have already expressed this opinion, and I'll say it again, measurements are the only part of this project worth considering and they have to be done right.

I, for one, would be willing to do some study on the board you said you can donate. I have a Tektronix DPO 2024, a Hall effect based current probe and four passive voltage probes that come with the scope. On the side of equipment the voltage probes are the weakest link. I've discussed that extensively in the Steorn thread and I'll keep discussing it. However, there's another problem which I found to be of even greater significance -- the data processing -- which seems to be overlooked. No wonder, as I already said in the Steorn thread, it is highly uncommon, if not absent altogether, for academics to carry out the power measurements we're talking about. I found out that academics in prestigious universities will not touch such measurements with a ten foot pole. So, the expectations that academics will embrace these studies does not seem realistic. These studies have to be carried out, however, and, like I said, we should give them some more thought here.

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Please dont do that to Glen he certainty does not deserve that, he is under some stress  so lets all try and remember who's side we are on.



Ash

First, I am not on anyone's "side". 

Second, don't do what to Glen?  He is the one pm'ing everyone about another forum member behind their backs saying terrible things and as a PI, I do recognize underhanded tactics when I see them.  As I said before, this does not help his case at all, whatever his case may or may not be.

Also, no offense intended, but what part of "Glen please do not pm me ever again" has anything to do with you?

This is supposed to be open source and if pm'ing behind some member's back is part of the open source creed, I would like to see where that is written.

Again, no offense intended but I was not directing any of my posted comments at you.

Bill

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I read Omni's simultaneous post above mine and what he is saying here makes a lot of sense to me.  For whatever that is worth.

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Hi Bill i spoke to Glen, and saw the PM's its valid tuning advice for what its worth, drop me a mail or read Glen's Pm it wil help.
glad to be back on topic.,

Ash

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@ashtweth_nihilisti,

I wonder why are you so much emphasizing on the scope? Scope should be the least of your worries once you have proper probes and once you understand the intricacies of the data processing. So, let's start with the probes -- what are they and what are you actually measuring? Here in this forum there are some pretty sophisticated participants and it will be a good idea to post the schematics under study and the details as to how you actually do the measurements so that we can hear some competent input. I have already expressed this opinion, and I'll say it again, measurements are the only part of this project worth considering and they have to be done right.

I, for one, would be willing to do some study on the board you said you can donate. I have a Tektronix DPO 2024, a Hall effect based current probe and four passive voltage probes that come with the scope. On the side of equipment the voltage probes are the weakest link. I've discussed that extensively in the Steorn thread and I'll keep discussing it. However, there's another problem which I found to be of even greater significance -- the data processing -- which seems to be overlooked. No wonder, as I already said in the Steorn thread, it is highly uncommon, if not absent altogether, for academics to carry out the power measurements we're talking about. I found out that academics in prestigious universities will not touch such measurements with a ten foot pole. So, the expectations that academics will embrace these studies does not seem realistic. These studies have to be carried out, however, and, like I said, we should give them some more thought here.

Hi Omnibus , yes i forgot to add probes and Data logging capacity, its been a long night :). Rose has the IEEE paper in her scribid site with scope shots/schemo's and measurements or its in Glen's sky drive or the Panacea university document (archived a lot of post there). Its a very simple and easy circuit to put together, if you cannot put it together and check out let me know the board is yours for research reports. Glad to be making some progress.

Ash

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Do you have a link where the paper can be downloaded from as a pdf document? Reading from Skribd is not the most convenient occupation.

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Certainly my friend
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Rosemary%20Ainslie%20COP17%20Heater%20Technology.pdf

Much of Rose's work are there, plus Harvey's, Aaron's and Glens data. Glen really knows how to tune this so collaboration of his notes is essential to get started. Afterward drop me an email ashtweth@gmail.com  ill arrange for shipment. Finally some head way great to see. Will be out of the office doing a weather engineering experiment be back first thing in the morning

Omnibus/Bill  thank you for taking a look

Ash

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Modified the word 'rants' to 'work' as it's more appropriate.  If you need to see a sample of 'ranting' then I can refer you to your emails.
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« Last Edit: August 22, 2010, 07:06:50 AM by Rosemary Ainslie »

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@ Omni

Before you get to testing this, reading glens notes is going to help you out a lot.
i wouldn't worry too much about his "tests", just read what he writes about it, you'll see what hes completely overlooking..

dont focus so much on the heat just yet. heat is just the bi-product....

Think about this load resistor.
does it look familiar? it should.

imagine Thomas Edison and Faraday at an old oak table, having Tea.


Now think about how we measure power conversion through a load like that...

E = P + [BTU/s] + [(cd/m^2)/s]
now consider this, we're not using A/C, but DC, where the collapse of the field is (relatively) without cost. as in things like, TPU, JT, where 1/2 of the oscilation is provided, and the other half is from the collapsing field.  its usually represented as an "L"

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/indcur.html


what do we know about L/C vs frequency?
its another little toy from an ancient time before you were born.
you probably have one in your car, it plays music and stuff.....

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science treats this as a curse. electronics prohibits it inately.

Tesla thought this was one of natures most amazing curiosities, with infinite potential.....

i guess its all in how its used.
you could blow the seal on a few capacitors, burn out a few wires in your circuit, and be cursing to the high hell, for having "accidently" timed your phase transition incorrectly, when combining your signals.

or
you could think outside the box, and realize that theres a lot things that could be done with it.


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science treats this as a curse. electronics prohibits it inately.

Tesla thought this was one of natures most amazing curiosities, with infinite potential.....

i guess its all in how its used.
you could blow the seal on a few capacitors, burn out a few wires in your circuit, and be cursing to the high hell, for having "accidently" timed your phase transition incorrectly, when combining your signals.

or
you could think outside the box, and realize that theres a lot things that could be done with it.

AGAIN.  Very well said Sm0ky.  In two clear and unambiguous posts you've hit the nail on the head.  That is exactly the point.  The WHOLE of the argument.  The thesis proposed - WAY BACK - that the coil itself becomes an energy supply source the MINUTE it has a measurable voltage imbalance.  But this CANNOT happen unless it is, itself, accessing it's own material - it's own 'mass'.  But that energy needs to be in sufficient quantity to exceed the energy at the supply in order to return it to prove that this is an independent supply source.  Using a standard inductor confuses that measurement.  But use an inductive  resistive load then the energy is returned AND the resistor heats.  The circuit value is only in as much as it takes the argument to this issue.  There are many more effective ways of using that energy than is shown in the circuit.  But they all work.  And the optimised results occur when the load and the source start resonating. 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

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so why then, is glen sending these messages to me?
notice the frustrated triple question mark smiley right after COP>17... what do you think he is trying to infer ash? and i think he is being more than explicit with this statement he made: "any suppression is being done by RA"

ash, instead of ranting on about what you, harvey, glen and aaron, etc. have done, why don't you get back to talking about the technology? or better yet, demonstrating it? you haven't done that once since you started posting here in this thread, all the while repeating that demand to rosemary...

if anyone has a problem with me posting a message glen sent to me, i have three words for you... OPEN SOURCE FORUM... if you don't want it in the open, keep it to yourself.

Thank you Wilby.  As always - exactly to the point. This is precisely why I take comfort in Open Source.  There is more to propagandising and politicing in this little exercise of Ash's than there is in any attempt at furthering this technology.  And more to the point - the following is just so 'right'.

>ash, instead of ranting on about what you, harvey, glen and aaron, etc. have done, why don't you get back to talking about the technology? or better yet, demonstrating it? you haven't done that once since you started posting here in this thread, all the while repeating that demand to rosemary

What is evident now to me is that Ash seems to think that he can get me banned by a simple application to Stefan.  If my tenure here is that brittle then frankly I would NOT be able to speak my mind and I've had a belly full of being 'muzzled' - as I was at EF.com.  I was advised, for instance, that if I mentioned that the fact that Glen had written to those academics to claim that I was 'plagiarising his work' then they would have immediately evicted me.   ::)  LOL. 

Wilby - from the heart - you are a rare, highly courageous, highly intelligent and highly articulate person.  I have seen your fight for standards throughout all your posts.  We would all do well to emulate your uncompromising spirit.  And thank you so much for everything.  Undeserved but much appreciated.  Just know that you've got a very big admirer in this very old, old lady. (How's that for tautology?)

Kindest regards,
Rosie

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Rose:

Not to confuse and muddle your topic any more than it is but.....

Your above post sounds so familiar to the stuff we have been working on dealing with the JT circuit and the Stubblefield coil.  There have been many arguments where the energy is coming from...I should say discussions because that is what they were, but the consensus is that the coil is the energy source and the dipole is created within.

I just wanted to mention this in case folks here have not been following our work on the other topics.

As I have said over 2 years ago....most of these topics here on OU are related in some way or another. (In my humble, uneducated opinion)

Bill

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filiments are not biased.
they generate heat regardless of which direction the current is flowing.
which is why they work in both A/C and DC

by increasing or decreasing the diameter and number of turns,
while keeping the resistance constant. (10 ohm?)
you can adjust the inductance of your circuit to fit the application.
wether you want it to produce a slow steady heat,
a red hot heat,
or place it in a vacuum tube and create radant light AND  heat.


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Rose:

Not to confuse and muddle your topic any more than it is but.....

Your above post sounds so familiar to the stuff we have been working on dealing with the JT circuit and the Stubblefield coil.  There have been many arguments where the energy is coming from...I should say discussions because that is what they were, but the consensus is that the coil is the energy source and the dipole is created within.

I just wanted to mention this in case folks here have not been following our work on the other topics.

As I have said over 2 years ago....most of these topics here on OU are related in some way or another. (In my humble, uneducated opinion)

Bill
Bill - Hi.  Indeed.  There is NO QUESTION that we are all on the same page - provided only that the the current is not considered to comprise electrons.  That's where the confusion starts and where the contradictions start seeping in.  I have said it repeatedly.  I have discovered NOTHING.  I've only 'tied in' just about all the remaining questions and paradoxes in known theory - by proposing the nature and properties of that dipole.  I am in the unhappy position of knowing this - seeing it - yet not being able to make that argument clear. 

And Bill, thank you too for speaking out.  This 'drive' is still really wobbly - and still with subtle and not so subtle claimants to these insights.  Personally I couldn't give a damn.  Provided only that the concepts are understood.  That's evidently lacking - thus far.  But when I see posts like Sm0ky's and yours - then hope still springs eternal.  And I've always been ridiculously optimistic.


Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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filiments are not biased.
they generate heat regardless of which direction the current is flowing.
which is why they work in both A/C and DC

by increasing or decreasing the diameter and number of turns,
while keeping the resistance constant. (10 ohm?)
you can adjust the inductance of your circuit to fit the application.
wether you want it to produce a slow steady heat,
a red hot heat,
or place it in a vacuum tube and create radant light AND  heat.

Who's arguing?

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Do you have a link where the paper can be downloaded from as a pdf document? Reading from Skribd is not the most convenient occupation.

Omnibus - post your email address again and I'll send you the pdf.


 

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