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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder  (Read 319825 times)

WilbyInebriated

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #315 on: August 17, 2010, 05:48:28 PM »
Quote from: Omnibus on August 17, 2010, 05:44:53 PM
OK, change it then, since you have so much clue.
just because it is unclear to you how it could be done, does NOT mean that it cannot be done... ::)

i'll toss you a bone omni, here is one way of many... google 'sql injection' and then please shut up. that goes for you too skcusitrah/hartisucks.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2010, 06:21:57 PM by WilbyInebriated »
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #316 on: August 17, 2010, 06:32:09 PM »
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 17, 2010, 05:48:28 PM
just because it is unclear to you how it could be done, does NOT mean that it cannot be done... ::)

i'll toss you a bone omni, here is one way of many... google 'sql injection' and then please shut up. that goes for you too skcusitrah/hartisucks.

Go ahead, change it then.
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #317 on: August 17, 2010, 08:02:49 PM »
To change it you have to know the address of the MySQL or whatever sql it is, the exact position of the cell containing this message and, more importantly, you have to know the password to get into the database. That cannot be done (provided password is well protected) without the cooperation of the admin and even then I think there will be traces proving that someone has tampered with the database no matter what high level hacker you might be.
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WilbyInebriated

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #318 on: August 17, 2010, 08:43:09 PM »
Quote from: Omnibus on August 17, 2010, 08:02:49 PM
To change it you have to know the address of the MySQL or whatever sql it is, the exact position of the cell containing this message and, more importantly, you have to know the password to get into the database. That cannot be done (provided password is well protected) without the cooperation of the admin and even then I think there will be traces proving that someone has tampered with the database no matter what high level hacker you might be.
no you don't need to know any of those things to use sql injection, the script you are 'injecting' into already has the address of the sql server, the database to connect to, and the password... again go google 'sql injection' and educate yourself before you go talking about things you have no clue about, it makes you look ignorant. if a person is the admin of a forum, it is a trivial thing to change a timestamp in the database. one does not even need to terminal into the server anymore, coders like myself have made pretty little gui's so ignorant people (like you...) can edit a database with a few simple clicks...

why don't you get off your ego pedastal and practice what you preach? ie:
Quote from: Omnibus on August 17, 2010, 06:19:15 PM
You should know your deficiencies and should not bother experts with your irrelevant banter
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #319 on: August 17, 2010, 08:53:52 PM »
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 17, 2010, 08:43:09 PM
no you don't need to know any of those things to use sql injection, the script you are 'injecting' into already has the address of the sql server, the database to connect to, and the password... again go google 'sql injection' and educate yourself before you go talking about things you have no clue about, it makes you look ignorant. if a person is the admin of a forum, it is a trivial thing to change a timestamp in the database. one does not even need to terminal into the server anymore, coders like myself have made pretty little gui's so ignorant people (like you...) can edit a database with a few simple clicks...

why don't you get off your ego pedastal and practice what you preach? ie:

Why don't you demonstrate directly what you preach. Change the time stamp of this post, for instance.
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #320 on: August 17, 2010, 08:57:42 PM »
I think Stefan would be really thrilled to see there's such a vulnerability. Demonstrate there is. If not just go away with your funny claim.
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #321 on: August 17, 2010, 09:24:18 PM »
Quote from: Omnibus on August 17, 2010, 08:53:52 PM
Why don't you demonstrate directly what you preach. Change the time stamp of this post, for instance.
because, and i will take the liberty to use your own words here,
Quote from: Omnibus on August 17, 2010, 06:19:15 PM
One only has that much time on Earth to waste it with straightening out confused people who don't even want to listen.
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #322 on: August 17, 2010, 09:26:17 PM »
Quote from: Omnibus on August 17, 2010, 08:57:42 PM
I think Stefan would be really thrilled to see there's such a vulnerability. Demonstrate there is. If not just go away with your funny claim.
there may or may not be an injection vulnerability with this specific forum, however, i am not the admin so it is really not my concern. if you would like to pay me my standard rate ($125 per hour) to test server security, i might consider it.
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #323 on: August 17, 2010, 09:30:27 PM »
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 17, 2010, 09:26:17 PM
there may or may not be an injection vulnerability with this specific forum, however, i am not the admin so it is really not my concern. if you would like to pay me my standard rate to test server security, i might consider it.

Go away. You proved you can't do what you're preaching. Just a bunch of self-aggrandized ego and phoney baloney. And you want me to pay you for that. You gotta be kiddin' me.
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #324 on: August 17, 2010, 11:03:25 PM »
Quote from: Omnibus on August 17, 2010, 09:30:27 PM
Go away. You proved you can't do what you're preaching. Just a bunch of self-aggrandized ego and phoney baloney. And you want me to pay you for that. You gotta be kiddin' me.
that's your idea of a proof? ::) keep demonstrating your ignorance. i will, if you desire, set up a forum where you can make a post and i will change the post timestamp to demonstrate how simple it is with admin access. i will spend no more of my time to educate your ignorant person than that. as far as hacking stefan's forum to prove a point to you about access without admin privs, that is ludicrous. any rational, reasonable person can and would recognize this.

ANY database can be easily edited by the admin, to think otherwise simply demonstrates your extreme ignorance on the subject. but enough of your irrelevant banter, you are wrong and you don't have a clue of what you are talking about relative to scripts, databases and how scripts access databases. on this subject, i will humor you no longer.
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #325 on: August 17, 2010, 11:12:12 PM »
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 17, 2010, 11:03:25 PM
that's your idea of a proof? ::) keep demonstrating your ignorance. i will, if you desire, set up a forum where you can make a post and i will change the post timestamp to demonstrate how simple it is with admin access. i will spend no more of my time to educate your ignorant person than that. as far as hacking stefan's forum to prove a point to you about access without admin privs, that is ludicrous. any rational, reasonable person can and would recognize this.

ANY database can be easily edited by the admin, to think otherwise simply demonstrates your extreme ignorance on the subject.

Correct, that's my idea of proof -- show me the evidence. You haven't shown it so at least shut up and go back into the hole you crawled out from.

Like I said, an admin is likely to be able to change the time stamp. You, however, without the cooperation of an admin are not able to do that and you proved my point. Period.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #326 on: August 17, 2010, 11:17:07 PM »
Quote from: Omnibus on August 17, 2010, 11:12:12 PM
Correct, that's my idea of proof -- show me the evidence. You haven't shown it so at least shut up and go back into the hole you crawled out from.

Like I said, an admin is likely to be able to change the time stamp. You, however, without the cooperation of an admin are not able to do that and you proved my point. Period.
your idea of a proof is laughable... ::)

you said no such thing, want me to quote you? i will regardless.
Quote from: Omnibus on August 17, 2010, 04:25:47 PM
I don't see how a regular participant can do that unless the owner of the forum is cooperating. Even then it is unclear how this can be done.
so you admit it is unclear to you and then go on to tell us all about what is and isn't possible. even more ludicrous is your assumption that because i will not, i cannot. ::) simply because i refuse to waste my time to demonstrate something to someone positing a worthless argument (you) does not mean i am not able to. period. your use of 'logic', and i use that word loosely here, is also laughable...

just because you cannot, does not mean others cannot. ::)
i have refuted your red herring argument, accept it and stop using logical fallacy in a lame attempt to subvert this topic.
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #327 on: August 17, 2010, 11:24:20 PM »
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 17, 2010, 11:17:07 PM
your idea of a proof is laughable... ::)

you said no such thing, want me to quote you? i will regardless.so you admit it is unclear to you and then go on to tell us all about what is and isn't possible. simply because i refuse to waste my time to demonstrate something to someone positing a worthless argument (you) does not mean i am not able to. period. your use of 'logic', and i use that word loosely here, is also laughable...

Hey, buddy, don't waste my time. You cannot change the time stamp of this post but are trying to present yourself as an expert. You proved you're nothing in this area and it's better for you to stop clogging the thread right now to avoid embarrassing yourself even further.
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #328 on: August 17, 2010, 11:25:48 PM »
Quote from: Omnibus on August 17, 2010, 11:24:20 PM
Hey, buddy, don't waste my time. You cannot change the time stamp of this post but are trying to present yourself as an expert. You proved you're nothing in this area and it's better for you to stop clogging the thread right now to avoid embarrassing yourself even further.
why do you continue with your logical fallacies? now you are engaging in the use of strawman. LOL. please... ::)
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #329 on: August 18, 2010, 12:47:32 AM »
Quote from: skcusitrah on August 15, 2010, 07:42:55 PM
The part about "predating" a post is practically impossible, if not difficult. Are you reading too much into all this?
this was the original point of contention before omnibus went off on a two page rant filled with nothing but logical fallacy...

see this page for a demonstration of how it IS NOT "practically impossible, if not difficult."
http://swirl.awardspace.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?4.0
it took me less than 20 minutes to set up the forum, and less than a minute to change the timestamp so it is obviously not THAT difficult and NOT EVEN CLOSE TO "practically impossible". ::)

and i repeat, i WILL NOT NOW, OR EVER, be so unethical as to hack stefan's forum to prove a point to ignorant fools.
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