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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder  (Read 285095 times)

Offline Hope

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Magnets, all just another bag of magnets.  Rosie, of course the burning house example is full of many elements.  But it is a clue to us of their nature when we have so little house now and so much carbon left. 
I found that obscure link on storing hho  EXCITING NEWS
http://www.examiner.com/breakthrough-energy-in-national/ohmasa-gas-makes-water-as-fuel-more-feasible

Sorry this is off topic a bit but important to all.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2010, 09:30:03 PM by Hope »

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Magnets, all just another bag of magnets.  Rosie, of course the burning house example is full of many elements.  But it is a clue to us of their nature when we have so little house now and so much carbon left. 
I found that obscure link on storing hho  EXCITING NEWS
http://www.examiner.com/breakthrough-energy-in-national/ohmasa-gas-makes-water-as-fuel-more-feasible

Sorry this is off topic a bit but important to all.

Thanks for the link Hope.  I get it that the storage has been the problem?  In any event - it looks very promising.  Regarding carbon - I sort of understand that it's plentiful and there must be something about the atom that renders it so perfectly suited to form the basis of 'life'. 

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I've copied this over from another thread.  It's on topic precisely because it's in line with my thesis.  Sorry for the duplication - to those who've already read it.

Guys, I've mentioned this before.  I'm not sure how our meters determine the resistance of anything but have been advised that the meter itself applies a small current and it then measures the rate of flow.  This effectively means that the the higher the resistance the more 'blocked' is the current flow which then becomes the Ohmage 'measure' of that resistance.

Well.  I have some cylindrical magnets - ferrite - very small - I'll try and get a photo up here at some stage but I've left those magnets on campus.  In any event, the point is this.  I can join those magnets in a string that it's roughly equivalent to an 8 guage wire.  And regardless of the 'length' it seems that I can simply NOT measure any resistance at all.  In effect a permanent magnet enables the flow of current - and in a cylindrical bar magnet which is the actual construct of that string - then it enables the current flow in either direction.  I see this - in the mind's eye - as the applied current running either through or around the flux of those magnets depending on the polarities presented when taking that measurement.

What it seems to show is this.  Current flow is not materially 'restricted' in this flow by another magnetic field imposed in that path, so to speak and continues it's path through or around that magnet at an angle of 180 degrees.  One magnetic field interacts with another field at an angle of 180 degrees.  Could this perhaps be some kind of evidence that current itself simply comprises magnetic fields?  If so then here's the proposal.

Resistance would then be a measure of those magnetic fields - inside the material being measured - that is not aligned at an angle of 180 degrees to the applied current flow.  Wherever it is that these magnetic fields are situated - whether atomic or extraneous to those atoms - they are then able to 'resist' the 180 degrees interaction from a 'magnetic field' or 'flux field.  In other words resistance or Ohmage would actually then be a measure of the magnetic potential of the material itself?

So.  When we use two different metals with two different resistances, then there would be a difference in their magnetic conditions and somehow the galvanic effect is exploiting this difference?  Maybe?  That's certainly the only explanation that I can find that logically explains this.  But it's just a thought.

Regards,
Rosemary

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This is what I was trying to get at describing links of chain at 180 degrees difference.  Great that this links with what your saying.

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This is what I was trying to get at describing links of chain at 180 degrees difference.  Great that this links with what your saying.

 ;D  Great stuff Hope.  We're still on the same page. 

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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The significance of the previous post is simply that I have long held that current flow is the transfer of magnetic fields through enabling materials in a circuit.  I'll grab at any evidence of this that I can.  ;D

But I do think that the lack of resistance in a permanent magnet may be some proof of this - the more so as - while we do not know what constitutes current flow - we have a shrewd idea what constitutes a magnetic field.  And a magnet on magnet interaction definitely occurs at an angle of 180 degrees.  Also.  A magnet on magnet interaction is not known to induce an electric field - as required in an electromagnetic interaction. 

So.  Here's the proposal.  A toroidal field - such as is proposed to be the shape of flux in a cylindrical bar magnet - has two 'opposite' poles because the one half of the toroid (inside flux flow direction ) will be opposite to the other half (outside flow flux direction).  That would constitute a kind of symmetrical balance.  Which also means that current flow - if it comprises magnetic flux - would have only one direction.  Effectively it would be monopolar.  And it would then find an appropriate justification in a permanent magnet in either one or other of the two paths established in that toroid.

The question then is how does one get a monopolar flux field as proposed to be current flow?  If this relates to the material of the resistor - then let's explore the valence condition of atomic structures to determine this.  But from a very simplisitic beginning - let's start with the hydrogen atom.  We know that the net 'charge' balance of hydrogen is neutral.  The proton - positive is counterbalanced by the electron - negative.  But two hydrogen atoms cannot share the same position in space.  They're mutually repulsive.  Presumably because their outer boundaries are occupied by that electron which will then repel the electrons in the outer shells of adjacent hydrogen atoms.

Yet - our astrophysicists have actually photographed sun's moving out of nebulae.  And those early suns are almost all hydrogen atoms.  Therefore something must have enabled the accretion of that intrinsically and mutually repellent matter.  The proposal here is that every two hydrogen atoms are 'linked' by a small one dimensional magnetic field - or 'string'.  Not an arbitrary choice.  It would enable that 'joining up' or 'gluing' of these atoms very simply.  All that would be needed is to ensure that some interaction is allowed that would be sympathetic to an interaction of two 'like' charges.  And an orbiting 'string' is the simplest means to provide this, the one half of the orbit opposing the other half of the orbit.  Therefore - one orbit would be able to link or 'neutralise' two 'like' charges that they would then be able to 'share' the same space.

Now.  Assume that all material is 'linked' - atom to atom - and that these links can detach from that 'bound' state when they - in turn - experience another 'monopolar' magnetic field - as is proposed to be the substance of current flow.  They move to 'balance' that experienced imbalance.  But they do it at the 'cost' of the bound state of the atoms.  The resistor wire 'shorts' over time.  The light filament 'breaks' - or the material 'catches fire' - all evidence of a 'broken string' which results in some compromise to the bound condition of the material that is exposed to current flow. 

Guys, I'm not sure that any of this is getting across.  I'm simply trying to show that the atomic material is all that we can see and measure.  What we can't see and measure is the re-arrangement of these proposed fields that are outside the atomic structure but that may be responsible for voltage imbalances.  Something extraneous to the atom that moves the atom?  It certainly would allow for perfect balance in energy exchange - if this was incorporated into our conceptual understandings.

Regards,
Rosemary
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« Last Edit: October 05, 2010, 07:32:49 AM by Rosemary Ainslie »

Offline exnihiloest

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Hi

I'm interested in third party replications.
Did someone duplicate the Rosemary Ainslie Circuit and confirm a COP>1?
Did someone loop the device? With a COP as large as 17, it should be rather easy.



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Hi

I'm interested in third party replications.
Did someone duplicate the Rosemary Ainslie Circuit and confirm a COP>1?
Did someone loop the device? With a COP as large as 17, it should be rather easy.

Hello exhihiloest.  I've been watching your posts for some time now and you're definitely among the sceptics - which is a really good thing - provided only that you keep and open mind.  I can refer you to our own paper - which is probably a waste of time as I suspect you're not actually that interested in finding replications notwithstanding your 'claimed' and apparent interest.  But there are problems with the measurement which have been understated.  COP is actually in the region of 700% and not 400% greater than the level quoted.  But the measurements were taken off some sophisticated scopes so they're dependable within a very small margin of error

http://www.scribd.com/doc/26240411/PROVING-OVER-UNITY-THE-HARD-WORK-OF-MANY-DEDICATED-OPEN-SOURCE-MEMBERS

I believe you see it as a requirement that all such claims first be supported by some kind of thesis.  Here is the thesis that required a COP>1. These early tests (some 9 years ago) were record of the first experiments that culminated in tests proving a COP>17.  The thesis was fully disclosed before the experimentation which sequence can be proven - historically.  Here is the thesis.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/33988924/DARK-MATTER-MFM

These earlier tests were accredited by Sasol (SA) - BP (SA) - ABC Research in North Carolina - Spescom (SA) amongst many other individuals and companies.  These quoted are also listed on local and international bourses so are thereby more respectable.  We were entirely unable to get the experiments accredited by academics but there were those who witnessed the test and concluded that there was 'probably a measurements error' - but were variously unable to find it or were not prepared to look for it. 

We have finally found a campus that is prepared to evaluate the results but this on an 'application'.  It is intended to heat a 'hot water cylinder' and research is currently underway to establish the required parameters on a more thorough basis than was previously related to simply 'proof of concept'.  This should establish the conditions required for the required efficiencies and the further hope is to use this thread - not only for a record of all those findings - but to advance the 'concepts' related to the thesis that predicted these OU results.

I trust that answers your question.

Regards,
Rosemary

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Also - regarding your comment that someone should be able to 'loop' the device.  I presume you are now suggesting that it should be a 'perpetual motion' thereby doing away with the supply?  I'm afraid that has never been part of the thesis and is rather a 'simplistic' assumption based on conventional understanding of energy transfers.  I do not DOUBT that a perpetual motion machine can be made - and, I think has been proven all over the place - but it certainly does not apply to electric current flow as determined by that thesis. 

But having said that - I do not, in any way, propose that the thesis is complete.  It is a partial theory at best - and relates to conceptual understandings that support Dark Energy from dark matter.

Again exnihiloest - my regards,
Rosemary

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Rose:

I know this has been bantered about in several topics on this forum and it is not my original idea but, it is one that I agree with; electrons orbit around a nucleus in every atom of everything that surrounds us and yet, they do not slow down.  This said, why does conventional science have this attitude toward any perpetual motion device as being impossible?

I mean, these are the same scientists that told us about the atoms but yet, somehow, something that moves without any input energy "forever" is impossible?

This never made any sense to me.  Nature always has it right.

Bill

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Rose:

I know this has been bantered about in several topics on this forum and it is not my original idea but, it is one that I agree with; electrons orbit around a nucleus in every atom of everything that surrounds us and yet, they do not slow down.  This said, why does conventional science have this attitude toward any perpetual motion device as being impossible?

I mean, these are the same scientists that told us about the atoms but yet, somehow, something that moves without any input energy "forever" is impossible?

This never made any sense to me.  Nature always has it right.

Bill

Hi Pirate.  I couldn't agree more.  Not only the orbit of electrons but the orbit of planets and then the orbit of galaxies themselves.  All perpetual - or certainly long enough to be virtually infinite.  My own take is that if one can escape a gravitational field then the 'orbit' of matter is the natural consequence. 

The thing about a toroidal magnetic field is that it pulls matter towards its centre - I think.  This possibly explains why so many neodymium magnets have a hollow in their centre.  In other words the material - when soft and molten was allowed to drift towards the middle of that construct.  Effectively the proposal is that matter moves at 90 degrees towards the centre of the field.  But - by the same token - I also think that a magnetic monopole is possibly the only condition that will escape the 90 degree interaction with field and it will move at an angle of 180 degrees against or with the a magnetic flux or lines of force.  But in terms of this proposal then I have to propose that the electron is a monopole interacting at 180 degrees to a proposed magnetic field making the energy levels of the atom.  That's where mainstream and my model part compnay.  LOL.

Interestingly it should be provable.  We're going to construct a magnetic monopole - wire cutting some neodymiums into the required shape to make a sphere with the north in the centre and the souths on the surface.  Given a pin bearing the hope is to get this to spin.  If it works it'll be significant. 

Take care Bill,
Kindest regards,
Rosie

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What's happening with the lab testing?

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What's happening with the lab testing?

Hi Happy.  I'm afraid things are really slow.  But there's no way of expediting.  Right now we're looking around for a better oscilloscope and we've only just got the computer up and running to get our downloads.  I dare not predict when we'll get our first results out because we're already a month behind deadline. 

The point is that this is not a dedicated project.  It's only one of many.  And what's hopelessly constrained is the student time.  And in fairness - this has to be a student driven project.  That's the justification  for the research.  The Techy dedicated to this project is trying to get into residence so that he can work on this in the evenings.  The one thing that is not on tap is affluence.  But we're getting there.  I believe we may yet get a really good scope on loan.  And then - a supplementary signal generator - just to compare the switch with a standard functions generator.  And then - the basic tests on the standard element - which we'll be using as our base.  And thereafter - pray God - some significant tests on different materials and different resistors. 

I just hope you guys aren't too impatient.  It seems that we've got not less than six months and not more than a year's testing.  But what's wonderful is that we've got our own little lab - carved out of space at the back of a lecture hall.  It's got running water - it's now got a couple of computers.  We've just been linked to the internet so that the Techy can download the data as it comes available.  We've got a desk - chairs - extra lighting.  And we're systematically getting the wherewithall to get the data captured.  It's not a rich university.  But it's REALLY excellent.  We've even installed a kettle and a really big jar of coffee.  LOL.

So.  What we lack in immediately available facilities and instruments we all more than make up for in goodwill and general academic excellence.  I keep promising photographs.  The fact is that I've been given a high definition camera - and being the clutz that I am - my first photographs were all taken without using the HD option.  But I intend making up for that tomorrow.  Hopefully by tomorrow evening I'll be able to show what we've done there.

 ;D Kindest regards,
Rosie

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Hi Happy.  I'm afraid things are really slow.  But there's no way of expediting.  Right now we're looking around for a better oscilloscope and we've only just got the computer up and running to get our downloads.  I dare not predict when we'll get our first results out because we're already a month behind deadline. 

The point is that this is not a dedicated project.  It's only one of many.  And what's hopelessly constrained is the student time.  And in fairness - this has to be a student driven project.  That's the justification  for the research.  The Techy dedicated to this project is trying to get into residence so that he can work on this in the evenings.  The one thing that is not on tap is affluence.  But we're getting there.  I believe we may yet get a really good scope on loan.  And then - a supplementary signal generator - just to compare the switch with a standard functions generator.  And then - the basic tests on the standard element - which we'll be using as our base.  And thereafter - pray God - some significant tests on different materials and different resistors. 

I just hope you guys aren't too impatient.  It seems that we've got not less than six months and not more than a year's testing.  But what's wonderful is that we've got our own little lab - carved out of space at the back of a lecture hall.  It's got running water - it's now got a couple of computers.  We've just been linked to the internet so that the Techy can download the data as it comes available.  We've got a desk - chairs - extra lighting.  And we're systematically getting the wherewithall to get the data captured.  It's not a rich university.  But it's REALLY excellent.  We've even installed a kettle and a really big jar of coffee.  LOL.

So.  What we lack in immediately available facilities and instruments we all more than make up for in goodwill and general academic excellence.  I keep promising photographs.  The fact is that I've been given a high definition camera - and being the clutz that I am - my first photographs were all taken without using the HD option.  But I intend making up for that tomorrow.  Hopefully by tomorrow evening I'll be able to show what we've done there.

 ;D Kindest regards,
Rosie

Thanks for the update I like the way you are going about it.

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Magnetic fluid spheres is how they act,  perhaps this grouping is reactionary to other particle fields.  This may lend a new monkey wrench to equate,  surface tension.   Even if there is no liquid, since it bares other properties from this family you may also experience this effect.   

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