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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder  (Read 271443 times)

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #585 on: September 30, 2010, 09:19:56 PM »
The circle sum goes like this 6+6 = 12, 12+6 = 18 - and so on up to 16 times, then x 2 for symmetry  = 912 x 2 = 1824 + 3 for the electron and 9 for the proton = 1836.  That's the magic number which also accounts for the size ratios that are known.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #586 on: September 30, 2010, 09:52:21 PM »
Hi Again Rosemary,

Yours is much prettier - twinbeard.

Well, thank you, but I only think its prettier in the same way that a real tree is prettier than a graph approximating a tree derived from linear euclidean geometries.  Nature is represented by, on every scale I look at, iterative systems.  Perhaps we can describe quantum phenomenon and structures more accurately in the same way that we can describe a fern more accurately with an iterative equation. 

But the point is this.  The three arms as depicted by Riaan - are not quite in synch.  If the charge had been illustrated as it should - then you'll see that there are two that are the same and one is not. 

Please see attachment 1, showing out-coloring mode set to binary decomposition.  Does this show what you are thinking of?

What I find intriguing is the effect if you assume each sphere to be a magnetic dipole.  The inevitable result is a precisely proportionate repulsion to attraction throughout the field.  That's blow away symmetries.  And it all starts off with a single circle and then 6 with the precisely same diameter - then add six and so on to each new concentric circle and one can go on into infinity keeping precisely the same symmetries. 

Only highlighting this because I've been rabbiting on about the construct of a magnetic field.  And I do see it as having a kind of logical symmetry that would lend itself to this kind of 'build' or whatever - 'congregation'?  The strings - necklaces - through the centre 'cross section' also being reflected in the 'strings' or lines around the length of the toroid.  Not sure of the right vocab for this.  Perhaps you can manage better what I think you realise I'm trying to point to.

Your point about the 'newton fractal' may be right.  I see the division into three but I think there's optional divisions into other numbers including 2.  I'm rather hooked on the field - so I actually need 6's.  Lots of them.  LOL

Attachements 2 and 3 are the best 6's I am seeing.  If we zoom into a certain point on the standard Newton graph, we get that 6 point divergence.  What is very interesting is to take the julia using of various points on these graphs as the seed.  There is a spatial symmetry around several key points in relationship of the two graphs.

I get your point about the "ropes" in the fractal graphs.  I came to the same conclusion as well while looking at the closely... these could very well represent flux lines, and in possibly a more accurate mathematical representation than we can currently come up with using euclidean geometries.

The program I am using to generate these is called GNU Xaos.  It is a free download here, if you would like to play with it yourself:
http://wmi.math.u-szeged.hu/xaos/doku.php
The help section has impressive video based tutorials as well as explanations of the mathematical systems represented, including the origin of many of the equations.  There is even an equation included and explained called "magnet," derived from some recent theoretical physics work;)


Cheers,
Twinbeard

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #587 on: September 30, 2010, 10:51:08 PM »
WOW  excellant fractals.    Thanks Twin, Rosie and all for the eye openers.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #587 on: September 30, 2010, 10:51:08 PM »
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #588 on: September 30, 2010, 11:30:49 PM »
After considering the burning wood model.  Then all elements in our periodic table are carbon based or can be made (catilized) to carbon?

Being out of our ability to currently able to read over light speed.  The upper half of our known wavelengths coupled with the newest bounce measurement magnetic technologies can be used to map radar like anomalies which will yield a 3D/4D table which, when resolved, will imply proofs of over light speed properties.   (Has such a device of this caliber of resolution every been made in known history) Then empowering this "Seeing" with computer modeling.  We could not only see  the image, but also the inner workings moving like a living wind. 
Like a polaroid.
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This may not have anything to do with anything here but, speaking of fractals....this photo is of a scope shot of my earth battery.  The wave patterns appears to be very similar to what has been posted here.  I still do not understand that.

Sorry if this is not related in any way Rose.

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That is a very astute observation, Bill.  What point on the circuit are you tracing there?
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This may not have anything to do with anything here but, speaking of fractals....this photo is of a scope shot of my earth battery.  The wave patterns appears to be very similar to what has been posted here.  I still do not understand that.

Sorry if this is not related in any way Rose.

Bill

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This may not have anything to do with anything here but, speaking of fractals....this photo is of a scope shot of my earth battery.  The wave patterns appears to be very similar to what has been posted here.  I still do not understand that.

Bill


Pirate?  How interesting is that!  My goodness.  What exactly are you measuring - load? inductor?  And why two traces? 

Kindest regards
R

Btw it is very much on topic.  And frankly, Bill, you can introduce any topic you please.  Anything under the sun.  On or off topic.  Always delighted with the engagement - on whatever level.   ;D

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Twinbeard and Rose:

There was no circuit.  That was a direct measurement of my earth battery electrodes directly to my scope.  Nothing in the middle.  I do have a dual channel scope but this was measured on channel 2 only.  There were no probes hooked to channel 1 at all.

I thought it was pretty amazing at the time, and no one could tell me what these wave forms might mean.  This was over a year ago and I have not used the scope on it since.  What does not show up here, that did in "real time" was some very high spikes.  They went off the scale in both directions and this taught me something useful.  My EB puts out about 1.9-2.0 volts and yet can charge a 2.7 volt 650 farad boost cap fully in a very short time.  I have figured that it was these spikes that were doing it...had to be.  The cap saved them as usable power.  I have done many experiments since to prove this to myself.

This is why I love supercaps.

Bill


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Twinbeard and Rose:

There was no circuit.  That was a direct measurement of my earth battery electrodes directly to my scope.  Nothing in the middle.  I do have a dual channel scope but this was measured on channel 2 only.  There were no probes hooked to channel 1 at all.

I thought it was pretty amazing at the time, and no one could tell me what these wave forms might mean.  This was over a year ago and I have not used the scope on it since.  What does not show up here, that did in "real time" was some very high spikes.  They went off the scale in both directions and this taught me something useful.  My EB puts out about 1.9-2.0 volts and yet can charge a 2.7 volt 650 farad boost cap fully in a very short time.  I have figured that it was these spikes that were doing it...had to be.  The cap saved them as usable power.  I have done many experiments since to prove this to myself.

This is why I love supercaps.

Bill

And it also explains your interest in earth batteries.  Are there more of these scope shots?  Would you mind posting them? 

I tend to pendantry - so if there is any obvious explanation - I'm more than happy to propose it.  And what I see here is two absolutely simultaneous but opposite voltages to each other.  That's possibly related to the two materials that you wound on the coil?  But I can't see where they're related to ground.  How easy is it to take more shots Bill?  Does it mean interrupting tests?  I think what I'm asking is -is this repeatable?  I have NEVER seen two traces on one channel.  Not sure how remarkable it is ?  But in as much as you're also showing this then, presumably, it's atypical.  And then that strange waveform that - as you say - looks like a wing in one of twinbeard's fractals. 

If it's possible can you show us more of this?

Kindest as ever
R

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Thank You Mr Bill,  as always your inputs ROK.   How that does MATCH our fractals informations so very well.    8)

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After considering the burning wood model.  Then all elements in our periodic table are carbon based or can be made (catilized) to carbon?

Being out of our ability to currently able to read over light speed.  The upper half of our known wavelengths coupled with the newest bounce measurement magnetic technologies can be used to map radar like anomalies which will yield a 3D/4D table which, when resolved, will imply proofs of over light speed properties.   (Has such a device of this caliber of resolution every been made in known history) Then empowering this "Seeing" with computer modeling.  We could not only see  the image, but also the inner workings moving like a living wind. 
Like a polaroid.

Hope?  Still there?  I thought you were off line and was going to delay a response here.  You're now WAY ahead of me with these proposals.  Really nice stuff.  Well done. 

BTW - the carbon from the wood - is right.  But I think we'd get more variety of liberated atoms from our burning house.   ;D

Take good care Hope.  And nice to see that we're all on the same page.  You're just reading way ahead of me at the moment.  So nice.

Kindest as ever,
Rosie

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And it also explains your interest in earth batteries.  Are there more of these scope shots?  Would you mind posting them? 

I tend to pendantry - so if there is any obvious explanation - I'm more than happy to propose it.  And what I see here is two absolutely simultaneous but opposite voltages to each other.  That's possibly related to the two materials that you wound on the coil?  But I can't see where they're related to ground.  How easy is it to take more shots Bill?  Does it mean interrupting tests?  I think what I'm asking is -is this repeatable?  I have NEVER seen two traces on one channel.  Not sure how remarkable it is ?  But in as much as you're also showing this then, presumably, it's atypical.  And then that strange waveform that - as you say - looks like a wing in one of twinbeard's fractals. 

If it's possible can you show us more of this?

Kindest as ever
R

Rose:

I have been pretty busy of late but, as soon as I get the chance, I will hook the scope back up to the EB.  I will hopefully make a video instead of photos so maybe the high spikes can be seen.  i am no scope expert by any means but, i have never seen wave forms like that before.  Maybe that is telling us something?

Bill

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When teaching O scope we would sometimes find ground line feed back that could somehow be 180 degrees out of phase when not coupled but to open air.  The ringing was found to be in time with heavy loads starting/stopping.   I wonder what earth occurances would do this?   Thank you for sharing this.  Playing with a signal generator or two and a scope can be enteraining and informative.  I highly recommend "even a low end model" over none.

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Here's something to remember  ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGM-wSKFBpo
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Hello Cat.  I've heard that 'refrain' before.  I sort of thought it was a Noel Coward number.  It's delightful.  Thanks for the clip.

Kindest regards,
Rosie

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