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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder  (Read 269444 times)

Offline sm0ky2

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In all of this "who's whos'" nonsense, you people are completely missing the point of open source technology.

its not yours, its EVERYONES!!!
the purpose for open sourcing is so that many people can add their input and work to advance the technology.
If Glen did that, great! good for him, he gets a pat on the back "att-a-boy!" good job.

If he did that with humble dignity, and shared his results for all to see, he would be a truly outstanding individual.

Alas, here we are having THIS discussion, when we SHOULD be talking about the technology, instead of who claims ownership over it.
Theres no need for you to come to Glens rescue, and argue over who did what when and where. and try to sugar-coat the situation by pretending there was anything socially commendable in the way he is acting. HE knows what hes sending out in his PM's, and when he reads what i wrote, he will know exactly what i meant by that.

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perhaps we can agree to decide that all parties involved can equally share ownership with me, him, her, and the rest of the world??
Thats the only way any of what we do can help mankind.
All this other nonsense is just repeating the same mistakes that got us into this mess in the first place.

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Rose As Admin and myself explained to you, no one is interested in your beef with Harvey or Glen,myself or Jib/Aaron neither are they, the more you push the issue the more we separate you from their work as you distract it, no one wishes to remove your name, you are doing a good job of that your self. Read my posts carefully they apply to you, dont force admin to kick you cause you distract experimenters.

I have set the record straight with Glen , Harvey and Aaron. So please let them get on with the job.
And i suggest you finally after on months of me trying to help take my advice.

Thanks
Ash

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Sm0ky - you're right.  I entirely agree that the technology belongs to ALL.  And I agree that it is immaterial whether Glen and Harvey advance it or not - PROVIDED ONLY that they also realise that it belongs to ALL.  What concerns me is that this is NOT acknowledged - and I'm doubly alarmed that they are also trashing the technology along with my good name.  Yet here they are - Ashtweth amongst them - claiming that Glen has any intentions of furthering this.

They would first need to change the posts in that thread to justify any interest in advancing the technology at all.  It's all those contradictions that have my warning lights lit.  Why disassociate my name?  And why then trash the technology? And YET - why then insist that they are doing work on it and require lack of distractions to do so. 

'Something smells in the state of Denmark' is my take.
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Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Rose As Admin and myself explained to you, no one is interested in your beef with Harvey or Glen,myself or Jib/Aaron neither are they, the more you push the issue the more we separate you from their work as you distract it, no one wishes to remove your name, you are doing a good job of that your self. Read my posts carefully they apply to you, dont force admin to kick you cause you distract experimenters.

I have set the record straight with Glen , Harvey and Aaron. So please let them get on with the job.
And i suggest you finally after on months of me trying to help take my advice.

Thanks
Ash
Ashtweth - as I've said - Glen and Harvey have a lot to answer to.  To start with is the URGENT need to disassociate my name with the technology?  WHY?  Is it because they plan to substitute this with their own?  If so that would establish a dangerous precedent where they afford themselves a potential license to claim intellectual property rights.  If they bury the technology off these forums - by getting rid of this thread - and by advancing their own (dedicated as it is to denying benefit in these applications)  - then the technology WILL be buried. Then - in the fullness of time - they will be in the happy position of making a MINOR variation and CLAIMING IT FOR THEMSELVES with FULL ON INTELLECTUAL OWNERSHIP.  I can't afford to let that happen.  None of us can.

Which is why I am happy to DEFEND this position as often as is required.  I assure you that I would have had NO need to post these warnings to our members if Glen did NOT persist in trying to trash both the technology and my good name.

Regards,
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>they are also trashing the technology along with my good name.

Rose this is my last off topic post and sure it will count towards yours too. Aaron, Glen and Harvey never claimed any thing but open source, ridiculous, you even accused me at one stage, from a non profit org, i have never read so much bullshit in all my years,  What a waste of time it has been working with you for the last 5 months. The 5 people who have done the most with the technology will not testify to your "good name", especially when you repeatably distracted them from their experiments, if you can match their work then go ahead, we are all waiting, but until then your far from having a good name. Please stay on topic and leave your distractions out of the open source community thanks

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Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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>they are also trashing the technology along with my good name.

Rose this is my last off topic post and sure it will count towards yours too. The 5 people who have done the most with the technology will not testify to your "good name", especially when you repeatably distracted them from their experiments, if you can match their work then go ahead, we are all waiting, but until then your far from having a good name. Please stay on topic and leave your distractions out of the open source community thanks

Ash

If you are inferring that there is that in my character that counts against my good name then you OWE it to all the readers here to make that information FREELY AVAILABLE.  Just make sure that it's based on PROOF else I most certainly will need to do ALL that's required to protect it.

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If you are inferring that there is that in my character that counts against my good name then you OWE it to all the readers here to make that information FREELY AVAILABLE.  Just make sure that it's based on PROOF else I most certainly will need to do ALL that's required to protect it.

Rosemary

I have already provided that, i have told all that there is a reason why glen warned others of your behavior, why 5 people who worked with you can testify to you provoking things and why Admin banned you, plus why they had to create the mosfet heater thread (as you distracted/provoked  every one for months).

And why i have asked you to let it go and not distract people in the open source community, do not accuse them or distract them, you did that for 5 months with genuine experimenters, i sat back and watched it and even experienced how you misbehave - You directed some of it at my self, So Rose we are being nice tolerating you and trying to help you do the right thing, stay on topic there is nothing more needed to be posted on the issue.

Dont provoke Glen, he needs no more of your influences. I wasted weeks trying to help you Rose, you did not listen  now you have been banned from forums due to  this same behavior - False accusations and holding up the open source communities work, it can happen here, so i hope you find some time to reflect on your behavior.

no one is against you.

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I have already provided that, i have told all that there is a reason why glen warned others of your behavior, why 5 people who worked with you can testify to you provoking things and why Admin banned you, plus why they had to create the mosfet heater thread (as you distracted/provoked  every one for months).
Ashtweth - this is absurd.  Glen posts that his circuit is different - based on a minor variation to the switch and the resistor.  I deny it's different and quote academic advices that it's a 'FULL ON REPLICATION.  You tell me to 'be quiet'.  LOL Then  Harvey then posts that I've got a hidden patent.  That flops so he then insinuates that my children have got a patent.  That flops.  Then he claims that the technology does not work.  Alternatively it may work but it is also somewhat hazardous.   I protest - repeatedly - at every unsubstantiated allegation.  You chime in and tell me to be quiet.  Then Glen chimes in again and advises me that I'm lying.  He's circuit is OBVIOUSLY entirely different to mine.  I then protest.  You chime in to tell me to be quiet.  Harvey tells the 6 of you that I've got NO right to impose my thesis on Glen's work.  Aaron joins in and echoes this.  So does Glen.  A new excuse to attack me.  I protest.  You chime in to tell me to be quiet.  Then Harvey posts a slew of entirely erroneous power analysis on previous tests.  I protest.  You tell me to be quiet.  Harvey by now has also posted that I never made the discovery and it was courtesy my helper - Brian Buckley.  I protest.  You tell me to be quiet.  Steve chimes in to say - INDEED - what earthly right have I got to insist that the result is required in terms of a thesis.  I really protest.  You tell me to be quiet.  And so it goes.  And THIS?  Is this what you seem to think speaks to some fault in my character?  I see it as a desparate attempt to fight my corner against 5 shameless self serving  bullies.

And why i have asked you to let it go and not distract people in the open source community,
  As I see it it is you who are distracting us.  And for reasons that you are unable to explain.

do not accuse them or distract them,
Do NOT tell me how to defend this technology Ashtweth.  You're a child and really do not know whereof you speak.  You're duped and absurdly loyal to some idea that Glen and Harvey have the good intentions of OPEN SOURCE at heart.  You are deluded.  Their behaviour here is all the evidence that's required.

you did that for 5 months with genuine experimenters,
Indeed I fought my corner for 5 months alone - without so much as a whispered support from the five of you.  Plenty of support from our readers.  NONE from amongst yourselves.  And you kept trying to silence me.  Strange requirement there Ashtweth.  It puts you FIRMLY in synch with whatever their agenda is. 

i sat back and watched it and even experienced how you misbehave .
Only you could put such an absurd slant to the obvious attempt at IP appropriation.  It's REALLY worrisome.

You directed some of it at my self,
I STILL DO.  I am ALARMED at your need to justify the unjustifiable - to ignore the unacceptable.  And MORE TO THE POINT - you apparently have this need to attack the defenseless on entirely indefensable grounds - when the defenseless are simply trying to defend themselves.  That not only speaks to an agenda but also to an appetite for bully tactics that REALLY have no place in decent society.

So Rose we are being nice tolerating you and trying to help you do the right thing, stay on topic there is nothing more needed to be posted on the issue.
Good heavens.  Nice?  LOL.  I'd hate to find out what you're like when your nasty.  At least I've had a chance to laugh.

Dont provoke Glen, he needs no more of your influences.
Rather advise Glen here.  He must rather not provoke me - or for that matter - the members here. 

I wasted weeks trying to help you,
  Golly Ash.  Like your 'niceness'  I would hate to find out what you'd do it you were ever trying to harm me. 

its now you have been banned from forums due t this same behavior s
Not quite Ash.  I was banned for saying "If anyone presumes to know everything about Leedskalnin - he would first be able to duplicate the miracle at coral castle."  That's why I was banned.

False accusations and holding up the open source communities work, it can happen here, so i hope you find some time to reflect on your behavior.
  Really Ashtweth.  I'm actually more than a little amused.  You need to rethink your arguments.  I am reasonably satisified that this will all come back and bite you.  LOL.  Meanwhile - a little circumspection may help.  Find out where I have NOT been obliged to fight my corner and I'll then bow to that assumed wisdom which at this stage you can only pretend.

Hopefully this will be the last of this.  If you again allege anything without actual proof then I'll delete your post.  I think we've all heard enough.

Regards,
Rosemary


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Ashtweth.  I've told you the condition required to post here.  You've not qualified.

Guys, I've again deleted Ash's post.

Just remember this is my thread and I simply will not accept your spurious statements - unless, of course, there was SOME small evidence of progess of this technology on EF.Com.  All I see there is deliberate attempts to hold a funeral.  But you are all too precipitous. 

This thread is NOT designed to promote replications.  It's designed to discuss the thesis and the results of the application of that thesis.  Watch this space Ashtweth.  And then - in the fullness of time - your comments may be more appropriate.

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I have deleted another post and will continue to do so as long as it's required.  I will not be THREATENED.  Dear God if I'd be persuaded by threats then I really have failed in this mission.

Ashtweth I will continue to delete your posts until you can show substaniated allegations.

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Guys, the following is an email response to Ashtweth who is appealing to Stefan to ban me.  I realise now that this is all going on while Stefan's on holiday.  Presumably the intention here is to exasperate him. 

Ashtweth

I cannot accuse you of clarity.  What a mishmash of nonsense.  In the first instance you DON'T post on OU.com.  Your forum of preference is EF.com.  And you have NEVER had good things to say about Stefan's forum.  In the second instance IT IS A FACT that Glen emailed or messaged Chet on the link to an adult site under Fuzzy Tom Cat - that featured something gross - apparently - on Ainslie.  It is a FACT that Aaron Murakami has buried my thread and that he has allowed an alternate thread that bears NO REFERENCE to my authorship of that circuit.  That is technically plagiarism.  It is a FACT that the FBI require it that forum abuses are reported because they are trying to formulate early legislation to cover such abuses.

It is a FACT that Glen denies doing a replication - which by implication means that his work is a discovery.  It is an ALARMING FACT that he withholds the data from easy access and forces any reference to it to his own site as the implications of this is that it's his work.  It is a FACT that you all objected to reference of the thesis in that paper - and it is a FACT that the inclusion of that thesis was the basis of that early 'breach' in our association.  It is a FACT that I would NEVER have referenced Glen if he had not FIRST messaged the members at OU.Com with the slew of allegations against me which he INVARIABLY indulges.  It is a FACT that Harvey and Glen tried to communicate both publicly and privately to the members that I was VARIOUSLY - NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CIRCUIT - THAT THE CIRCUIT IS HAZARDOUS - THAT THERE IS NOT VALUE TO THE TECHNOLOGY - THAT THE EXPERIMENTAL PROOF WAS NOT THERE - THAT I HELD A PATENT - THAT I HELD A PATENT SECRETLY - THAT I WAS INTENDING TO CAPITALISE ON OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK - THAT THE THESIS DID NOT REQUIRE THAT EXPERIMENTAL RESULT - THAT LIED - THAT I FOISTED THE THESIS ON THE WORK.  Name it.  They accused me.  And you objected - at every turn - that I defended myself against those allegations.  It is a FACT that Harvey and Glen tried to get me banned from EF.com and, for that matter from Overunity Research.com.  It is a FACT that they succeeded at EF.Com.  It is a FACT that you are trying to get me off this forum at OU.com - where, surprisingly, my readership is greater and my off forum support more than I could have ever expected.  It is a FACT that Glen wrote to our university to advise them I was plagiaring HIS WORK???   These are some of the facts.  Now show me yours.

The simple fact is, Ashtweth - that I am still under attack.  And I will continue to fight my corner as long as it is required.  And unless I'm dead - I'm afraid this will be my mission.  My intention is to bring the application to full fruition - it may not be that commercially viable at the level we're working on because the material costs are looking to be prohibitive - but that may change in the light of a bigger market.  I will advance my thesis that the concepts can be understood.  And then, only - God willing - I'll have done my part in this thankless work.

Your work meanwhile is much appreciated.  But your need to take out license also implies that Panacea is looking to capitalise on OU.  That is troubling.  And it troubles more than me.  I see too that there are many members at EF.Com who are still brave enough to speak out about this.  My concern is this.  If you were actually intending to progress OU and in as much as you know that I am too, then WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO SILENCE ME.  Are you hoping to enter into some kind of covenous cartel with EF.com et al and capitalise on this invention of mine? 

I hope - regardless of what Stefan decides in the light of your newest interventions here - is that I still have a voice on Open Source.  Because, as I see it, there is a hidden requirement by you all to take over from those monopolists to hold the advancement of free energy in your own hands exclusively.  That would be a sad day.  Hopefully it can be prevented.

Meanwhile Ashtweth - do your damndest.  It all helps - in a strange way.  Your own spite and pettiness comes to the fore where 5 bully boys are trying to lose me my voice.  I might lose the fight - but I'll do my best to retain that voice.  And I know our readers rely on my courage in the face of these attacks.   Since I"m working for OU - you should be encouraging it.  Strangely you don't.  I do not hold out any hopes that any of you are decent and I am entirely satisfied that you will all pull whatever punches you can manage to finally silence me.  Trust me - it's all grist for the mill.  And our public LOVE to see the fight.  I am reasonably satisfied that I would have this strong support from the public even if I only posted on Scribd.  Unfortunately that would be a monologue.

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Censoring Me, in front of the open source community, of all my years, good luck with what your doing here Rose, you can read about the open source communities progress in the news section of this site where i post.

Mean time, good luck with what you have done and are trying to do. Stefan, i have sent you my recommendations, its was not banning, if need be clarify this for your members. The rest has been censored for no reason, if any one wishes for the contents (advice on how to progress with Glen's help and Harvy's) email me.

NO ONE likes to read feuds, or cares for any of your bullshit Rose, you have been banned once for a reason dont forget that.
iF YOU CANT TALK ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY, THEN YOU WILL BE REMOVED FROM FORUMS, ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT,

@ our community i hope you time is not wasted here.
Be cautious

regards
Ashtweth

Ps if this post does not get through, it will have accountability.
And It will be made public like the other posts , censored for no reason.

Ash

Guys,
This one I'll allow as it has some apparent good wishes albeit the sincerity is questionable LOL. And it certainly was that you were trying to get me banned.  You stated this specifically.  Your threat was that if he didn't then you'd stop posting here.  LOL. 
Rosemary

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Rosemary - I've been following your story for several years, no one here doubts this is your circuit. Let us know how the testing goes.

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Rosemary - I've been following your story for several years, no one here doubts this is your circuit. Let us know how the testing goes.

Thanks very much happyfunball.  It could only have been 2 years because I've only been on these forums since early last year.  But I'm glad your following things.  I was feeling rather lonely there.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

Btw - God willing, we'll have early reports of that first 'standard element' hopefully by next week.  But we're none of us expecting extraordinary results here.  It's just an early 'easy' option that needs to be tested.  My concern is that we won't get enough resonance.  But if we do - then getting this to production will be easy.  We've got a bank of batteries that I need to show and haven't as yet been able to upload.  But we'll be getting some significant wattage - I think.
Rosemary   ;D

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@ Rose, if you talk about the technology no one will bother to intervene, Stefan can clarify this for OU members, do not deviate this will get you removed from forums, as can be seen in the energetic forum. Discuss technology this is what this forum is about. Censoring me wont get you any where either.

sincerely
Ash

 

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