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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder  (Read 266701 times)

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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It is not my circuit I found it on page 9 and 10 of:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/26240411/PROVING-OVER-UNITY-THE-HARD-WORK-OF-MANY-DEDICATED-OPEN-SOURCE-MEMBERS

But I can make a list of components if you post a higher resolution copy.

Jesus

Jesus,  I missed this.  Many thanks for this offer.  I'll message you and see how to send the file across.

THANK YOU - very much.  :D

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This component parts list was shared by @fuzzytomcat on a public experimentation he made of the @ainslie circuit at Crudd website.

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@ Chet

Please do not post on this thread again. 

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« Last Edit: July 20, 2010, 06:21:15 AM by Rosemary Ainslie »

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  Wow I didn't know you were banned from the Energetic Forum, I was wondering why the posts seem to end on 7-06? I didn't see any problems going on with the thread so I guess it must of been a behind the scene kind of thing? There's lots of strange things going on over there and I have a hard time keeping up, I hope you get things strained out.
   I saw your Coil and it kind of looks like a element in a water heater so I know where you are going with it. If you can heat water thats the beginning of everything, steam can do it all at least thats what I've been thinking from the first I saw you collaboration. The more efficiently you boil water the better, to achieve over unity and still get the job done is what we all need.
   The infrastructure is already there in much of the world and where its lacking it will be much simpler setting it up if a cheap means of electrical generation is discovered. Its only part of the energy solution but its a start and I hope you and people like you can keep this moving in the right direction.
  good luck Pete

PS for some reason (no good reason I can think of)I use a different name at EF but I have been following both thread for quite some time

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  Wow I didn't know you were banned from the Energetic Forum, I was wondering why the posts seem to end on 7-06? I didn't see any problems going on with the thread so I guess it must of been a behind the scene kind of thing? There's lots of strange things going on over there and I have a hard time keeping up, I hope you get things strained out.

Hello Pete.  Yes indeed.  Ostensibly I was banned for saying the following.  "Guys.  Anyone who claims to understand everything about Leedskalnin must first be able to duplicate his miracle engineering feats' - words to that effect.  I think that was it as the post was deleted.  LOL.  I think it will go down in history as the flimsiest excluse ever used for banning a member. 

   I saw your Coil and it kind of looks like a element in a water heater so I know where you are going with it. If you can heat water thats the beginning of everything, steam can do it all at least thats what I've been thinking from the first I saw you collaboration. The more efficiently you boil water the better, to achieve over unity and still get the job done is what we all need.

The use of that 'standard type' element is only motivated in the hopes that it may be able to achieve that same effect under resonance.  But while the design is 'standard' there is nothing standard in the resistive wire.  Those of you who get to replicate and want to take this further will need to PM me to get details here.

  The infrastructure is already there in much of the world and where its lacking it will be much simpler setting it up if a cheap means of electrical generation is discovered. Its only part of the energy solution but its a start and I hope you and people like you can keep this moving in the right direction.
  good luck Pete

Indeed.  Many thanks Pete.  All good wishes much appreciated.

PS for some reason (no good reason I can think of)I use a different name at EF but I have been following both thread for quite some time

I was wondering about this.  Something 'familiar' in your turn of phrase?  or signature?  LOL.  I hope so anyway.

Kindest as ever,
Rosie
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Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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This component parts list was shared by fuzzytomcat.

Jesus
Thanks for this Jesus.  The component parts list here is marginally different to that posted on the previous schematic as it applies to the publication in Quantum magazine.  But it's fine.  For replicators - don't get too involved with the precise component parts related to the switch.  We've built and used 3 different switches over the years and they all work.  The critical aspects to this are simply that you tend to 'thick' inductive wire.  I have noticed over this year that I've now been on these forums - that there is an almost obsessive need to do a precise duplication.  Guys - we're not talking marginal values of COP's.  There's plenty of room to introduce variations in the component parts, especially as these relate to the switch.  And they ALL result in efficiencies.  It's just some are greater than others.  The secret is simply to ensure that you use 'thick' wire or wire with 'more mass' - and that you keep the 'hollow' in the resistor as ample as you can find and afford.  It allows for a pure return in the collapsing fields from Counter EMF. 

I would recommend that - for those who are interested that you read up on the thesis.  Once you've got your head around the thinking I'm satisfied you'll all come up with better ways to achieve this test object.  What flies in the face of mainstream thinking is that the amount of energy returned to the battery is roughly equal to the energy first delivered.  That much has been empirically evident throughout.

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I would like to clear up the NE555-issue. This is not criticism; it is an attempt to establish facts.

Rosemary filed several patents (see below), and in these patents one finds a “signal generator”, a “pulse generator” and in general “means being appliable to interrupt the electric current”, but the NE555 is not mentioned.

WO03007657 http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20030123&CC=WO&NR=03007657A2&KC=A2
The switching pulses come from a “signal generator”, the NE555 is not mentioned.

WO9938247
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19990729&CC=WO&NR=9938247A1&KC=A1
The switching pulses come from a “pulse generator”, the NE555 is not mentioned.

EP0932248
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19990728&CC=EP&NR=0932248A1&KC=A1
The switching pulses come from “means being appliable to interrupt the electric current” or from a “pulse generator”, the NE555 is not mentioned.

ZA990385
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=ZA&NR=9900385A&KC=A&FT=D&date=19990720&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
ZA990385 is essentially EP932248.


In contrast to the patents the discussion in the energeticforum (see
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5250-cop-17-heater-rosemary-ainslie-part-2-a-21.html  COP 17 Heater | Rosemary Ainslie | Part 2) was completely focused on the NE555 circuit. And this very thread turns again into a discussion of a NE555 circuit.


According to my humble opinion, the concentration on the NE555 circuit is unfortunate because it complicates matters enormously. On does not want to investigate the NE555. The whole theory should not depend on the NE555.

The issue is an effect over a resistor, which is wound like an air coil (in order to create back EMF).


To resolve the NE555 issue I want to ask Rosemary a simple question:

Did you personally (or any other researcher) ever observe the effect in a circuit where the NE555 was not used?

In case you (or some one else) did, please specify the circuit or describe it in some other way.

Remarks:

I understand that the NE555 circuit allows in an apparently easy way changing frequency and duty cycle by fiddling with two potentiometers. But one can never reproduce a successful setting because it depends on too many parameters (temperature of all components involved, material peculiarities of the potentiometers and capacitors).

To make progress one needs a circuit that allows exact replication of successful frequencies and duty cycles. Adjustments should happen in a narrow range (e.g. 0.1%).

The patents suggest rather low frequencies (60 to 200.000 Hz), which would make it very easy to drive the “switching element” (e.g. the IRFPG50) with a microprocessor where a program changes frequency and duty cycle in a systematic way.

May be some feedback from the "load resistor" or some sensor on the "load resistor" should change frequency and duty cycle according to an algorithm.

I understand the difficulty with finding the "right frequency and duty cycle", but this has to be brought from the subjective to the objective. Otherwise there will be no recognition of the effect.

Greetings, Conrad

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Offline ramset

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Conrad,
This observation of yours, I'm quite sure is not unique!

As efficient as Glen and others around him are THEY MUST HAVE DONE THIS!

NO??

A micro processor? We have a member here "groundloop", he builds these in his sleep!
most of us can't!

I'ts been over a year since I asked/begged TK to go over to Energetic and look at this,
Nobody has gone solid state processor yet?

You know they "MUST" have!!

Chet

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There is another alternative.

We can buy an already made oscillator as the switch.
A motor driver used for hho production.

I think that it is called  a pwm.

The question is will it work?

Jesus

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Duplicated post.

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Besides myself, does anyone else see a CONNECTION between Rosemary's Pulsed Wire Wound resistor AND the PULSED COIL DEVICES in:

Plaustin, Don Smith, Floyd Sweet, Morey, Hubbard, SM's TPU, Magnacoaster, etc, etc, etc.


The answer is that they are all using Different Methods to Harness the Back EMF from a Pulsed Coil.  The trouble is that almost None of us can duplicate any of them.

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I like to use the “eZ430 MSP430F2012 Target Board” from Texas Instruments
http://www.ti-estore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Product_Code=EZ430-T2012&Screen=PROD

together with the „MSP430 USB Stick Development Tool”
http://www.ti-estore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=EZ430-F2013

Some time ago I built exactly what is needed to drive the IRFPG50 and its “coil like load resistor” with a “12 Volt square wave signal”. I used this hook-up to drive four ignition coils (with four BUZ11 transistors).

This thing can push out four different 12 Volt pulse trains (interrupt driven pulse width modulation) with every frequency and duty cycle from 1 to 1 MHz. One only has to add the three 12 Volt batteries, an IRFPG50 (instead of the BUZ11), the shunt (for measurements) and the ominous “Load Resister wound like an air coil” in order to test the Ainslie theory.

I show this to underline the fact, that creating a square wave signal according to any specification is a straight forward task, which should not be the issue.

There are many good solutions and I think that a state of the art signal generator like the Fluke Fluke 6080A  http://www.teknetelectronics.com/Search.asp?p_ID=5946&pDo=DETAIL would bet he best choice.

I post all this in order to resolve the NE555 issue. As long as we are messing with the NE555, there will be no way forward, just endless fumbling with potentiometers.

Assume that any pulse train with any duty cycle can be created easily (as long as you stay below 100 MHz).

Now concentrate on what frequency and what duty cycles you want and according to which criteria you want to “adjust” the frequency and the duty cycle. Once this is specified in a logical and objective way, you can have it.


@FatBird

Yes, we are talking about the idea (or dream) that back EMF gives you back more than you invested in its EMF.

Greetings, Conrad
« Last Edit: July 20, 2010, 06:36:26 PM by conradelektro »

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Rosemary:

Good to see this work continuing over here.  I wish you the best.

Bill

Another post that I missed.  Thank you Bill.  Much appreciated.    :)

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Guys.  This thread will be devoted to the development of our first application designed around exploiting the principles of our COP>17 circuit variously also known as a Mosfet Heating Circuit.  Full details of the circuit will be posted together with the proposed tests all of which will be conducted on a local university campus.  We've finally got this to an academic forum and will have the real benefit of some critical academic evaluations.  There are a great number of posts to be transferred and this will take me some time.  But watch this space.  Harti has kindly allowed his forum for the systematic disclosure of all information related to this in the interests of keeping this fully available to Open
Source.  I will be dealing with all aspects related to this both on early tests, test replications and future tests.

Rosemary
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Hi Guys.  I've posted this as a reminder of the objects of this thread.  My time is getting constrained and the problem is likely to increase as I'll be spending more and more time on campus.  If I miss any significant posts then just pm me and I'll get back there.  It's a really good thing that you are going to do replications.  And I'll rally where and as I can.  Correctly I think we should have another thread for replications.  But that's something you guys must decide on.  I'll fall in. 

I'll answer your questions as best I can from a quick read.  Conrad - you referenced patents.  Here's the thing.  The circuit is one example of many potential circuits.  The UNREGISTERED patent could never cover all those potentials.  But it was intended as a broad sweep of the object being to use Back EMF or Counter EMF to replenish a supply source.  I think it was FatBird mentioned that all such 'claims' seem to be related to pulsed coils.  Indeed you're right.  It actually goes to the throat of the argument.  I need you to understand this fully.

Mainstream have no clear explanation for current flow.  There are those who attribute this to an electron flow - and our physicists who claim it cannot be electrons as they cannot 'share a path' - per Pauli's exclusion principle.  The argument rages but most engineers use the model of electrons and it's pretty well standard.  And - more to the point - quantum electrodynamics is the single most tried and tested and successful branch of quantum engineering.  So whatever model is used - clearly it's worked as it's outperformed all the rest.  So the weight of argument falls to the engineers who use the concept - widely. 

But.  If current flow is the 'flow of electrons' that pass from the supply through the circuit - then there is also the inevitable argument that the circuit could NEVER exceed unity - as all energy is transferred via those electrons that move from the supply through the circuit components and back to the source.  Any energy stored on the circuit in inductive components is a measure of this passage of electron flow.  Maximum efficiency is therefore 1 or something less than equivalence. 

However, in terms of this thesis - if current flow is the result of something else, perhaps we can here simply call it 'charge' - some material property that is extraneous to the atoms in the supply source - then 'charge' may also be a potential material property in circuit components in the same way as they may have a material property in the supply.  Then.  If this charge can be induced to have a measurable potential difference - that 'charge' belonging to the material of the circuit components - is another potential energy source. 

Effectively that's the claim.  The energy that is returned to the supply source to 'replenish' or 'recharge' it - comes from the material of - in this particular circuit -  the resistor itself.  The minute you introduce an alternative 'supply' then one would expect the energy available to that circuit to be equal to the mass of the material in the the supply AND the mass of the material that is in the path of the supply.  It does not breach the laws of energy conservation.  On the contrary.  To expect 'equivalence' is somewhat in conflict with Einstein's E=MC^2

Please read my comments regarding the required 'waveform'.  It will point you to the self-oscillation that is a feature of this 'effect'. 

But all that is needed - effectively - is to generate that counter electromotive force and route the energy back through the battery.  This can be done with the use of diodes - it can be returned to the same or an alternative supply - it can be used with inductive resistive loads or with pure inductors in series or parallel to resistive loads.  There are many ways to skin this cat.  The only requirement is to use a switched current and to return the energy back to the supply.  It's really that simple.

Regards,
Rosemary
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Hi Conrad.  Regarding your question related to the 555.  Theoretically there is absolutely NO requirement for any particular switch.  The only proviso is that the tuning enables that self-oscillating frequency.  I'm an amateur - and I have never owned a functions generator - so I can only - personally - answer to this over unity result from a standard type switching circuit.  But I know that this effect has been tested by others using various other means.

Your comments regarding the need to establish the required parameters to enable this frequency are valid.  It is scheduled for testing on these new tests that we'll be conducting on campus.  I've been running a race here Conrad.  I need to ask for your patience.  We do NOT have all the answers.  At this stage all we have is a thesis that predicted the results, the experimental evidence of those results, the wide accreditation by registered laboratories on those results - and latterly the replication of those results from reliable measuring instruments.  But the technology is still in its infancy.  I need to impose on your patience here.   :)

Kind regards,
Rosemary
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