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### Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder  (Read 298670 times)

#### Rosemary Ainslie

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #105 on: July 28, 2010, 11:43:48 PM »
To be correct - I would estimate these figures for current pulses >5ms.
In your circuit you have pulsed DC with  500us pulse duration.

I donÂ´t know your batteries - nor do I have my own data or data from a battery manufactorer at hand so - nothing we can base on.

If we reach down to 1us - I would estimate the internal resistance in the area of few ohms. For 500us - a current from 2-5Amps would sound reasonable.

This is why I heavily suggest to determine the AC input/output resistance of batteries used with such setup.

How to determine AC impedance of a battery ?
Use 80Â´ties DC coupled HIFI-AMP+sinus generator+output capacitor.
(or industrial servo amp or similar)
Determine the internal resistance as function of frequency using low inductive precise test load (1Ohm).
Measure damping as function of frequency if feeding to battery terminal.
The battery impedance can then be calculated from that damping function corrected with the values from the 1Ohm test.

rgds.

fritz
Fritz  - thanks for this.  It actually gives me a little renewed hope.  If the current can be restricted to 2 amps we're still in business.  I get it we just need to look to the timing of the switch.  I'll look to doing that battery impedance test.  We're getting delivery of our first bank - acid - in the near future.  I'll photograph them when they're to hand.

#### fritz

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinde
« Reply #106 on: July 28, 2010, 11:49:34 PM »
(ASIDE - all this makes me wonder: why did the previous replicators use such 'heavy-duty' scopes and collect so much electrical data, if the excess output energy is thermal rather than conventional volts & amps?)

"heavy-duty" scopes have the formfactor of a microwave, a DVD burner 1Gb of memory and a 15inch display.
Saw one today. Is used to analyze the IF of our WLAN tranceiver. But too big to steal.

#### fritz

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #107 on: July 29, 2010, 12:00:25 AM »
If the current can be restricted to 2 amps we're still in business.

A similar setup as used with stepper motor chopper could be useful.
For high performance stepper motor applications - you use for example stepper motors rated for 3Volts with 24Volt excitation.
With i=L*du/dt you can get fast more current into that ugly coil using 24Volts.
To protect the 3Volt motors from burning down - you have a shunt resistor for sensing the current. If the current exceeds whats rated - its turned  off using slow or fast decay.

For you circuit this could mean - turn the mosfet on by timer - and turn it off if target current is reached using flipflop to drive the motor - set on timer - reset if shunt voltage comparator reaches nominal amps ....

rgds.

#### Rosemary Ainslie

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #108 on: July 29, 2010, 12:05:00 AM »
A similar setup as used with stepper motor chopper could be useful.
For high performance stepper motor applications - you use for example stepper motors rated for 3Volts with 24Volt excitation.
With i=L*du/dt you can get fast more current into that ugly coil using 24Volts.
To protect the 3Volt motors from burning down - you have a shunt resistor for sensing the current. If the current exceeds whats rated - its turned  off using slow or fast decay.

For you circuit this could mean - turn the mosfet on by timer - and turn it off if target current is reached using flipflop to drive the motor - set on timer - reset if shunt voltage comparator reaches nominal amps ....

rgds.
Golly Fritz.  I think we need to enlist you on the team.  I'll run your suggestions through with them.  I'm afraid my knowledge of these motors is zero.  But the others will know how to apply all this.  Thanks again.  I LOVE OPEN SOURCE.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

#### fritz

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #109 on: July 29, 2010, 12:10:49 AM »
(...) using acid density/concentration meter meter as found in automotive shops with -non-service-free lead acid batteries - would be another option to get more grip on the "smiling buddha".

#### Rosemary Ainslie

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #110 on: July 29, 2010, 12:19:45 AM »
(...) using acid density/concentration meter meter as found in automotive shops with -non-service-free lead acid batteries - would be another option to get more grip on the "smiling buddha".

I know these.  They've got the added merit of being inexpensive.    I'd quite like to see less smile in that buddha - if that also means he'll do more work.  LOL

Regards,
Rosemary

#### nul-points

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinde
« Reply #111 on: July 29, 2010, 12:58:27 AM »
hi Rosemary

here's a few names to get you started...

Thane Heins
Ed Gray
The Correa team
Doug Smith
Bruce de Palma

not exhaustive, but high-profile

hope this helps

all the best
sandy

#### Rosemary Ainslie

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinde
« Reply #112 on: July 29, 2010, 01:02:52 AM »
hi Rosemary

here's a few names to get you started...

Thane Heins
Ed Gray
The Correa team
Doug Smith
Bruce de Palma

not exhaustive, but high-profile

hope this helps

all the best
sandy

many thanks sandy.  That's a good start.

Kindest as ever,
Rosemary

#### Rosemary Ainslie

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #113 on: July 29, 2010, 10:54:02 AM »
Hi everyone.

Just to let you know that there's a definite shift in those paradigms.  It's tangible.  The more I read in these threads the more I see how CLOSE we are to getting something FINALLY UP AND RUNNING AND USABLE.

On our side - what's such a pleasure is to see the interest that all this hard work is beginning to generate in our mainstream institutions.  Clearly we're still stumbling and there's still the occasional barrier - BUT.  It's clear that this is not time lost.  I can now report that every single aspect of our applications test is partially funded by those parts manufacturers.  And I do not think we'd have been such happy recipients of their generosity if that interest were at question.

And the fact that it's even on a campus is a miracle on it's own.  Hopefully this is more and more evidence that things are changing.  Feeling absurdly optimistic at the moment.  Hope it lasts.

Regards,
Rosemary
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24975402/Crashing-Through-the-Energy-Barrier-Final-for-DS-2

#### powercat

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #114 on: July 29, 2010, 11:15:38 AM »
Hi Rosie
Re documentary,Stefan is the best source of information on the history of OU research.
I would love to replicate one that works but i am still waiting to see one that has been proven beyond reasonable doubt.(self runner)

After all it's not brain surgery
cat

#### Rosemary Ainslie

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #115 on: July 29, 2010, 11:28:29 AM »
Hi Rosie
Re documentary,Stefan is the best source of information on the history of OU research.
I would love to replicate one that works but i am still waiting to see one that has been proven beyond reasonable doubt.(self runner)

After all it's not brain surgery

Hi Cat.  Always a pleasure to see you around.  Re the proof beyond reasonable doubt!  It's a new benchmark to demand a 'self runner'.  That's PERPETUAL MOTION!  LOL.  Still somewhat politically incorrect mention the term in polite company.  I see Mitchell and Webb pipped "I research energy.  Not exactly rocket science is it? "

But the proof is there Cat.  Just confined to rather small values.  But do give us that over unity number.  It's a good start.

Kindest as ever,
Rosie

#### otto

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #116 on: July 29, 2010, 12:07:54 PM »
Hello all,

@Rosemary

nice docu.

So, zipons are the particles. I suppose the positive particles.

Whats with the NEGATIVE particles?

Otto

#### Rosemary Ainslie

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #117 on: July 29, 2010, 12:38:29 PM »
Hello all,

@Rosemary

nice docu.

So, zipons are the particles. I suppose the positive particles.

Whats with the NEGATIVE particles?

Otto

Hello Otto.  The zipons are neither postive nor negative.  They're dipoles.  So the proposal is that they've got both - very much like a bar magnet.  If they were entirely positive or negative they would not be able to assemble in that orderly 'field' arrangement.

What's being addressed here is a problem with the concept of current flow being based on the flow of electrons.  This is widely used as model but actually has an intrinisic problem.  Electrons are 'like charged' which, according to Pauli's exclusion principle - means that they cannot share a path.  And current flow is based on the concept of a shared path of 'something'.

Here the idea is that atoms are 'held bound' in some kind of solid or liquid amalgams - usually three dimensional.  And the actual molecular and atomic structures are arranged - not so much through a self ordered system - into their crystaline structures - but are arranged by these one dimensional magnetic fields of zipons that bind those atoms into that identifiable amalgam.  When and if they are moved - through voltage imbalances - then they simply change their 'abodes' or positions or spins - to accommodate that imbalance.  So the thing that moves through space as current flow are these fields of zipons.  And they can move in either direction - being both positive and negative.  And they can share a path precisely because they do not have only one monopolar property.  In effect the ENERGY that we measure - is the result of these fields moving towards a state of balance.

The thing is this.  It's proposed that they are invisible - dark - because they exceed light speed.  We can only measure this as voltage imbalance - or see it when an innate imabalance takes them out of that hidden field condition.  And when this happens - when the resistors get hot - then that results in a degradation of the bound state of that resistor.  It effectively compromises the structure itself.  And the recharge/discharge cycle is simply determined by the direction of that current flow through the circuit.  One way will recharge the battery.  The other way will discharge it.

Hope that makes it clearer.  If not ask away.  I'd be very glad to get these points understood.  Not to say that they're right.  But thus far it seems to be consistent with the evidence.

Regards,
Rosemary
http://www.scribd.com/doc/33988924/DARK-MATTER-MFM

#### otto

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #118 on: July 29, 2010, 12:59:05 PM »
Rosemary,

yes, sounds good for me, thanks.

Im not good in theory I think) but Im very good in blowing all kind of electronics, wires,big batteries......and all the stuff around my TPU.

Otto

#### Rosemary Ainslie

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##### Re: Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder
« Reply #119 on: July 29, 2010, 01:03:59 PM »
Rosemary,

yes, sounds good for me, thanks.

Im not good in theory I think) but Im very good in blowing all kind of electronics, wires,big batteries......and all the stuff around my TPU.

Otto

LOL Otto.  Nor am I.  But what I lack in ability I make up for in interest.    But to make good use of this is all that's needed.  Indeed.  And I think you guys have a far better handle on the applications than I do.  Hopefully we'll see all this being put to some good uses.  MUCH NEEDED.  Personally I'm tired of being confined to 'small applications'.  The latest idea is to use IGBT's.  I think it was mentioned here by someone?  Maybe Fritz.  In any event they can take more power.  And we can possibly compensate for that lack of a body diode by simply putting a diode across it.  Hopefully it'll work.
Kindest regards,
Rosemary