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Offline teslaalset

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Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« on: July 10, 2010, 02:52:57 PM »
This thread is to discuss the open source gravity wheel of Chalkalis.
Info:
http://chalkalis.blogspot.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHhZZ9DuzK4

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Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2010, 04:49:47 PM »
I am trying to replicate this as we speak.

jake

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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2010, 06:38:09 AM »
I am trying to replicate this as we speak.

jake

i look forward to your results. i had to put this one on my list.
but i have a few too many projects going on right now, and one very important one i must build before i can get to this one.

theres a lot of things about chalkalis' wheel that i find promising in the way that its designed. wether it turns out to be OU or not, it definately seems like a "learning experience" worthy of engaging in.


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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2010, 06:38:09 AM »
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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2010, 11:32:56 AM »

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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2010, 03:54:19 PM »
of course mine can't be to-scale. the radius of mine is only 20cm, and the triangle shape is of 1/4in plexi glass. I couldn't find a way to drive it the way he does, so I am going to drive it by the outside edge with one wheel that weighs 1/3 of the triangle flywheel which I think mine will have 1lb of weight attached. I have heard people talking about driving this from the center axle with a motor/generator combo, but from what I am seeing, that won't work at all like the original design. It seems like the outer drive force is very important so as to give a mechanical advantage over the generator at the center. I am seeing that the drive wheel(s) must also have a good mass to them also as he says in the plans. i should be uploading pics this evening.

jake

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Offline lespaul109

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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2010, 04:35:48 PM »
thinking that some combination of motor/gen of these DC motors should give OU. I glued a rubber band on the outside edge of the plexi triangle for better traction with flywheel

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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2010, 05:08:27 PM »
also, i have built a thane c heins generator which does exactly what all his videos show. seems like that would be a perfect addition for these replications to extract and perhaps further increase output and add more torque to the device

ps: Ken rauen(who was an editor for peswiki) lives in lubbock just a few miles from me, I showed him the  Heins generator and his final word was that he cannot easily explain what is happening with conventional physics and that it has promise

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Offline teslaalset

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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2010, 07:46:04 PM »
also, i have built a thane c heins generator which does exactly what all his videos show. seems like that would be a perfect addition for these replications to extract and perhaps further increase output and add more torque to the device

ps: Ken rauen(who was an editor for peswiki) lives in lubbock just a few miles from me, I showed him the  Heins generator and his final word was that he cannot easily explain what is happening with conventional physics and that it has promise

@lespaul,
There is an active discussion ongoing on Thanes transformer at this forum:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7833.msg248866#new
I wonder whether you like to participate and maybe show some pictures and data ?

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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2010, 04:06:28 AM »
Jake.
Your one cool guy!
Looking forward to your findings.
Thanks for sharing !
Chet

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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2010, 04:06:28 AM »
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Offline lespaul109

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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2010, 04:46:46 AM »
lol why do you say that, chet? because of my homies?

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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2010, 04:04:18 PM »
i think i saw someone make the comment....use electrical pulse to kick the arm... or something like that.

couldn't harry paul sprain's motor be modified to fill the bill?

(http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Paul_Harry_Sprain_magnet_motor)

if instead of the rotor being in a horizontal plane, put it in a vertical plane (the whole motor) and remove one of the rotor magnets (to give the pendulum effect).  this would require half of the power since there would only be one pulse per rpm instead of two.

i'm not sure where the coil should be located, but i would think at about the 10-11 o'clock position (ccw rotation).

to make it a self runner, a gen could be driven by the output shaft that charged a cap.  would 95% of one rpm be enough to charge the cap enough to pulse the coil?  would there be power left over?

anyone see anything to keep it from working/being ou (maybe the answers to the questions above)?

tom
« Last Edit: July 17, 2010, 04:28:14 PM by tbird »

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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2010, 08:43:23 PM »
This thing is no more than a rotating pendulum. If it were really gaining energy it would continue to accelerate when the power is removed. It does not. I wrote the following on Energetic Forum following a lengthly discussion on this device's merits:

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Open letter to Mr Chalkalis...
Our discussion here has revealed a few serious problems which call into question your claims.
1. The most glaring is the most obvious: If your device actually gained energy, why is it not self rotating? Where does all that extra energy go when the power is removed? There can't be that much bearing friction and wind resistance to overcome.
2. You suggest that the power be taken off the main shaft. Why haven't you simply attached a cheap alternator to the shaft and measured it's output? You have a pulley right on the shaft! Use a 24 volt model and you could run your drive motor and measure how much extra you have left over.
3. Your math proves nothing. Do you know the difference between torque and horsepower? You calculate torque based on a no load situation, then compare it to input power. Apples and oranges my friend.
If you can't manage a generator, it's very simple to construct a Prony break which will give you a fairly accurate measurement of your actual power out.

After working on this concept for 28 years, it's hard to believe you built that whole device and didn't take some simple output power measurements. I see a pulley right on your main shaft for Pete's sake! Why are you withholding this information?
You immediately start whining about people pointing out legitimate errors in your statements, and asking perfectly reasonable questions (red flag). Yet, without answering anything you still want us to go to all the expense and trouble of building a replica just based on your opinion? I don't think so.
None of this adds up Chalkalis, and you know it. We are more than willing to extend the benefit of the doubt, and I think we have here, but we don't appreciate being played for fools.
What is your real reason for doing all of this?

Ted Ewert

I am not implying that a rotating pendulum is incapable of producing extra energy. Milkovic has shown how his oscillator generates energy from a pendulum. The problem is that the Chalkalis device will not produce any extra energy on the main shaft as it has been presented.
You'll see this for yourself if you build a replica. Then you can figure out a real way of extracting energy from this device.

Cheers,

Ted

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Re: Chalkalis Gravity Wheel
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2010, 09:19:01 PM »
Milkovic has shown nothing, other than a nice way to get high torque out for short pulses, from longer low-torque, equal work input. Not one replication, even a recent genious one that had full syncronization from output to input, ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJsXLiLNJHA ) was unable to keep going, let alone offer the 12x claimed output.

If you've ever seen a better attempt, let alone by Milkovic himself, please let me know, I'd be most interested to see, study, and replicate it.

 

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