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Author Topic: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!  (Read 21073 times)

Offline Raj Balkee

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These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« on: July 10, 2010, 01:06:29 PM »
This is a new version of my original Automatic Gravity Engine concept I showed in my previous topic: Do you see what I see...

Look at the drawing below. This is just an upside down drawing of my original AGE drawing.

Can you all now appreciate what this new drawing shows?

This shows a larger cylindrical drum wheel free to rotate on its axle (not shown), with strong cylindrical diametrically magnetised permanent magnets with their poles radially fixed between its inner and outer rims at eight equidisdant points, starting from the 12 o'clock position.

A second smaller cylindrical wheel with eight similar magnets, tangentially fixed at at eight equidistant points inside next to the its rim, free to roll on the inside rim of the larger wheel.

Can you appreciate the positions of the poles of the magnets on the drawing?

Many magnets are in engaging positions, with like poles ready to repulse and opposite poles ready to pull, which look set to make the smaller wheel rotate clockwise, thereby unbalancing the larger wheel on its axle and this larger wheel must therefore rotate clockwise too.

The magnets will continuously be in engaging positions, therefore the pulling and repulsing will be continuous. Therefore the wheels will rotate continuously.

These magnets look set to run.

Would you all agree?

Raj

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2010, 04:02:58 PM »
   OK Raj, I will bite. If I look at the placement of the poles, I see on the left attraction, and on the right repulsion. Now if the wheels are gear linked together, common sense tells me that it should want to keep moving its self to the attraction side. Therefore making it run auto. On the bottom, sadly I see a sticky spot at close proxcimity that may have more holding power than the other two forces combined. With that, only way to find out would be to "build it" and I dont have a shop to do so. At $80 per hour shop time and finding one that wants to "bother" with it, makes it hard.
   Another possible would be using a toothed belt setup to drive it but then I dont have that either.

   All in all, you pose an interesting idea.


With all that out of the way, what would be the chance that you could use this idea to be an assist to what ever input force you may have?

thaelin

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2010, 05:49:54 PM »
Hello thaelin,
Thank you for your kind reply.

(1)Has any of you come across a magnet motor/engine design, however close to my AGE design?
 I would appreciate if you could kindly tell me a bit about the design you have come across.

(2) Is there any of you who thinks that my Automatic Gravity Engine will not run?
  If yes, please give me a single reason why you think it won't run.

(3) Below is a new drawing of my AGE design, where I have attempted to show the interactions of the magnets of the two wheels.
The black broken lines show the direct engaging lines between centres of reciprocal magnets of the two wheels, with positive attractions and repulsions that would would supply magnetic force for both wheels to turn clockwise.
The red broken shows negative counter magnetic force as sticky points.
The drawing shows a heavily positive magnetic force, always forcing the wheels to turn clockwise.

Do you now think that this drawing constitute a theoritical proof that my Automatic Gravity Wheel is set to run?

As to your question, thaelin, I leave it to each one of you to answer it for himself.

I look forward to hear from you.
God Bless.

Raj
 

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2010, 05:49:54 PM »
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Offline Raj Balkee

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2010, 06:07:03 PM »
I believe you will all appreciate the following details:
The drawing above is drawn to scale:
The larger outer wheel diameter is 20 cms.
The smaller inner wheel diameter is 10 cms.
The 16 diametrically cylindical magnetised magnets ( 8 in each wheel) diameter is 2 cms, their strength is 6000 gauss, the engaging distance between two magnets is 10 cms. ( these magnets are available from www.first4magnets.com UK)
 The real proof whether my AGE will run or not is definitely a working prototype.
But for reasons already mentioned in my previous topic, I would not be able to build and test my Automatic Gravity Engine before 2011 March/April.
Is there any of you who would care and dare try this build for us.
Let's hope so.
Thanks
Raj

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2010, 04:16:47 AM »
this will not run....

The push/pull of the entry and exit magnets are not enough to overcome the bottom magnets where a sticky point will be

I would agree with your design if the magnet attraction/repullsion was linear...but it is not

Distance is key..... forget your guass numbers...   you need to look at the scale of force over distance in .1 mm increments and apply that to your design

You will find that there is not enough energy to over come the sticky point.

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2010, 10:29:12 AM »
Lilhawk
I think you made some very strong points in your analysis. I thank you for that.
I am giving all due considerations to your views.
I am making changes to my AGE design, as I go along, in the hope that there will be some inprovements in my concept.
Below is a new drawing, with some changes to my original concept and drawing posted under my previous topic: Do you see what I see???
The black broken lines are direct repulsion magnetic force lines and the red broken lines are direct attraction magnetic force lines between adjoining magnets.
The maximum engagement distance between two magnets is the length of the diameter of the small inner wheel.
Does anyone of you think that these new repulsion and attraction magnetic forces look likely to make the wheels
 rotate.
Reply please.
Raj

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2010, 10:34:34 AM »
If any of you think that the wheels won't rotate, please reply and give me your views.
I need your views to improve on my concepts.
Thanks.
Raj

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2010, 05:31:34 PM »
Is this what you mean to build?

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Offline Raj Balkee

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2010, 05:54:59 PM »
No!
It is not so simple as that, because in your presentation there is no magnetic engagement taking place. The wheels are not interaction.

Below , the drawing is what the lateral view of my Automatic Gravity Engine looks like.

Now please make a new assessment and let me know what you think?

I await to hear from you.
Regards.
Raj

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2010, 04:22:12 AM »
I understand now.
The big wheel will be floating magnetically.

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Offline Raj Balkee

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2010, 06:38:24 AM »
That is absolutely correct.
The wheels will be in continuous interaction. The big wheel continuously floating, as you mentioned.
It is important to note that all the magnetic forces, both repulsion and attraction forces, seem to be providing a clockwise torque turning effect to the inner small wheel rotable on its axle.
The big questions are:
(1).Will all these magnetic forces acting on the wheels leave them on equilibrium position?
(2) Do you see  sticky points strong enough to counter all the torque providing magnetic forces, and make the wheels stay in equilibrium?
Of course, we are looking at this only theoritically.
The final proof must be a working prototype.
I want to you all to help me analyse my AGE concept theoritically at least, if a build is not is not envisaged for now.
Thanks.
Raj

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2010, 07:32:29 PM »
Hi Raj:
   Going back to the new draw in post 5, if you follow all the lines you have drawn, you will see an "exact" replication on each side. That is to say, you have an equal attract and oppose on each site. This draw is in total lockup as shown and will not move.
   On a better note, KJMag has 3/8" diametric magnets for about a buck apiece. So for about $25, I can have some fun too. Need to order some big diametric anyhow. Keep ya posted. See how many more blisters I can get in the process.

thay

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2010, 01:12:03 PM »
Hello thaelin,
I am so pleased to have you here again.
Yes, you are right to say that the magnetic attraction and repulsion lines look like an exact replication on each side of the wheels.

But! But! Look closely at each magnets on the small inner wheel. Each magnet here has two lines of magnetic engagement, one attraction and one repulsion. And! And both lines of magnetic force (one pushing and one pulling  the small inner wheel CLOCKWISE.

In fact, it looks to me that almost all the attraction and repulsion magnetic lines on BOTH SIDES of the wheels are applying some torque to the small inner wheel, which consequently will rotate clockwise, which will in turn, makes the outer bigger wheel rotate on top of the smaller wheel, thereby resetting the positions of the magnets.

  I remain at your disposal  to be corrected on what I see.

thaelin, I am indebted to you for you having a go at a trial build of our AGE.
Please let us know how it goes.
Thanks again.
Raj

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2010, 05:28:26 AM »
Forgetting sticky spots, i don't see where the wheel is overbalanced to get gravitational assistance?, so in fact it would be a smot, where the driver is the wheel inside, so all the weight of the small wheel is one the left when climbing, so we have to assume the driver has the capacity to accelerate with sufficient force to throw the wheel around the track at speed, Can't say either way if it will or won't work, only that it needs great speed or it will equally roll backwards from the top, thus my input for you is use very strong neos for power, good luck, definitely cool looking machine

Offline Raj Balkee

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Re: These magnet wheels look set to run !!!
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2010, 06:53:47 PM »
If we ignore the influence of the magnets ( attracting and repulsion effects) on the wheels above, they are in full balanced/equilibrium position.

But! But both wheels are under full influence of the magnetic forces of the adjoining magnets.

I now expect the larger wheel to rise up slightly on the clockwise side and to lower down slightly on the counter-clocwise side, as in the second drawing below.

If we look closely on this second drawing, we should observe the following:
 (1)the larger wheel is kept in that position by the magnetic forces and is unlikely to slip or roll back
(2) The larger wheel has now help to change the centre of gravity of the wheels. The wheels must now rotate together on the axle of the smaller whheel.
(3) the wheels will automaticly reset themselves to their start position
(4) the rotating action and the resetting action will happen closely/almost simultaneously.

The above is what I see.
These wheels look set to run!!! Only a build will prove otherwise.

What do you think?
Please let us have your comments.
Thanks.
Raj

 

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