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Author Topic: Radus boots = permanent magnet on/off switch?  (Read 11892 times)

Offline Blainiac

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Radus boots = permanent magnet on/off switch?
« on: July 07, 2010, 09:55:52 AM »
I found this not too long ago, and did a quick search on the site to see if anyone else had talked about this and couldn't find anything.  Apparently the boots act as electromagnets, but only use a small pulse of electricity through the coils to make the flux go a different path... maybe a mix of this and the spiral wankel could work?

http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm

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Re: Radus boots = permanent magnet on/off switch?
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 10:24:03 PM »
I think I first saw these boots when they were mentioned in one of the Hildenbrand Motor threads.  I don't have a link to that reference, but here are some links to when they (or similar variations) were mentioned at other times -

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4882.msg103644#msg103644

Starting from post#565 http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7987.560

Starting from post#558 http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2386.msg215958#msg215958

If I was more of an experimenter and less of an observer I would have tried making a device that utilizes these effects.  Probably by incorporating the magnetic switching mechanism into a simple proof-of-concept gravity-wheel of some sort.  As it is though, I'm still left wondering how difficult it would really be.

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Re: Radus boots = permanent magnet on/off switch?
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2010, 02:49:25 AM »
History Detectives Season 8: Episode 1:
http://video.pbs.org/video/1513607701/
Go to about 20 minutes in where the spaceboots start.

Take care.

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Re: Radus boots = permanent magnet on/off switch?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2010, 03:37:05 PM »
I'm not sure what I'm missing, I fear its something obvious.  I see the PBS film showing a Carnegie-melon physics professor demonstrating the effect with the original boot, so I assume that it indeed functions as described - so - is the effect actually useful for OU research?  Is there some counter effect that I'm missing?

Neat video.

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Re: Radus boots = permanent magnet on/off switch?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2010, 04:15:09 PM »
I'm not sure if that adds to what's already known but in the attached pdf file is as much of The Pittsburgh Press Feb 5, 1963 newspaper article as is shown in the History Detectives episode.
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Re: Radus boots = permanent magnet on/off switch?
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2010, 07:58:53 PM »
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is the effect actually useful for OU research?

I'm not sure, I think it could be.  Almost all permanent magnet setups eventually require you to 'turn off' a permanent magnet for a duration of the 360 (for a wankel spiral motor, or many other designs).  Although it requires only a small pulse of electricity to switch flux direction, it's like an electromagnet, but requires only the small pulse to either turn on or off.  I think it could be useful...  Not sure.  Any bit helps towards that end goal.

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Re: Radus boots = permanent magnet on/off switch?
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2010, 11:56:11 PM »
Thanks for the links to the video and article.

As far as I understand it though, the small voltage applied to the magnet/s doesn't switch them off, it increases their magnetic strength something like fourfold.  This means that in the right system, when the voltage is switched off, the magnets lose so much comparative strength as to be effectively turned off.

This alternating boosting and returning to normal strength of the magnets can be used to overcome the 'sticky spot' in the right kind of system.  The question for me is, can the mechanical work being done by that system be made to generate the voltage required to 'switch' the magnet/s 'on/off'.  If it can, then the building of a self running apparatus simply becomes an engineering task.   

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Re: Radus boots = permanent magnet on/off switch?
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2010, 01:59:31 AM »
I don't think the coils do anything at all to the magnets. The coils look like they're on the material that is on either side of each magnet. When the pulse of current is run through the coils they magnetize that material. A pulse in one direction magnetizes the material with the same polarity of the magnet and so the magnets+material combined result in a single strong magnet. A pulse in the other direction magnetizes the material with the opposite polarity of the magnet resulting in a single, externally weak magnet. The pulse of current is only a pulse, as indicated by the newspaper article, and is not needed to be on constantly.

That's my guess anyway. It'd be interesting to try.
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Re: Radus boots = permanent magnet on/off switch?
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2010, 03:49:06 PM »
Hi Steve,

I think you correctly described how the "boots" were designed to operate. It would surely work and would firmly fasten the boots to magnetizable metal surfaces when switched. 

To All,

If you wish to utilize this setup and make a motor from it for instance, then one possible solution is the stators could be this setup, arranged at 12,  3,  6  and  9  o'clock positions and the rotor could include 4 soft iron keepers (fixed to a non-magnetic cylinder structure that has a shaft). The 4 keepers would pass in front of the 4 pair of stator yokes (made also of soft iron) all oriented towards the shaft.  The air gap between the rotor soft iron keepers and the stator yokes should be the minimum possible of course so that the attraction force on approach BE the highest possible. And you would pulse the coils to steer the flux from the yokes away at just the moment the rotor keepers are exactly facing the stator yokes.  And when the rotor keepers almost cover the distance between two neighbouring stator yokes, you would have to switch on the pulse again to bring the attract flux from the magnets to "fill" the yokes with flux again.

So far this sounds simple and good but...

here comes a problem: flux steered to the outer stator keepers via the yokes would not readily go again to the rotor side's direction towards the rotor keepers as long as the reluctance due to the (decreasing) air gap becomes comparable to the reluctance path of the stator keepers... unfortunately.

This would mean that the attract force could act on a very short distance just when the rotor keepers are almost in the facing position to the stator yokes.  Of course this drawback could be compansated by using more than 4 stator setups, (the more stator setups and correspondingly rotor keepers you use the more rotor torque you would get, though this would increase motor size and cost).

Another possibility to utilize the "boots" setup for energy generation is a motionless version whereby you would wind output coils onto the keepers and induce voltage in them when steering the flux with the input pulses.  However this solution already sounds like a MEG and I have not seen any MEG working overunity...   only underunity, unfortunately.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Radus boots = permanent magnet on/off switch?
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2010, 11:53:43 AM »
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Another possibility to utilize the "boots" setup for energy generation is a motionless version whereby you would wind output coils onto the keepers and induce voltage in them when steering the flux with the input pulses.  However this solution already sounds like a MEG and I have not seen any MEG working overunity...   only underunity, unfortunately.

I just drew this after thinking a lot about an easy way to do this and then read your comment.  Something like this?  If you constantly pulse current or have AC in the small switch coils, it could drive the main pickup coils on the side?


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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2010, 03:31:30 PM »
I just drew this after thinking a lot about an easy way to do this and then read your comment.  Something like this?  If you constantly pulse current or have AC in the small switch coils, it could drive the main pickup coils on the side?

Yes, it could drive the main pickup coils.  The problem is that nobody achieved overunity with that setup...
If you take the magnet out from the middle, what are you left with? A conventional transformer that of course works. You surely ask: why should you take the magnet out?
Well the answer is given by several MEG builders failure in getting overunity with the magnet in place... They tried with METGLAS core too, like Naudin.
From about 2001 to 2007, the yahoo MEG_builders group built several MEG setups, none of them gave overunity.  Several theories, including Aharonov-Bohr effect, amorf cores etc were addressed, all failed in practice.

If you are familiar with the B-H hysteresis curves of iron cores, then think it over, what happens if you insert a magnet into the middle of a closed core? 
I think all what happens is that the magnet biases the core in one direction towards the saturation edges of the curve, depending on the poles orientation and the strength of the magnet. A weaker magnet shifts the B=0 and H=0 point only a little away, with no or little saturation effect, a  stronger magnet shifts the zero B-H point closer to the saturation curve, with strong Neos even very near to or into full saturation (depending on the core qualities of course).

The flux coming from the small pulse coils will work against or will work for this shifted and static bias point if you agree.  In case of a DC pulse it will shift always in one direction, (depending on the pulse polarity), creating either less saturation or more, and in case of an AC input the statically biased core will either go closer to saturation or further away from saturation as the positive and negative halfwaves dictate.

Compare the above operation description (what I believe as correct) to a conventional transformer operation: there is no static magnetic bias and the input AC current can work on the full B-H curve of the core, both on its upper and lower half (i.e. at B=positive and B=negative values), giving a decent conventional efficiency from at least 90 to 96% in most of the cases.
When you insert a magnet, you actually restrict the B-H curve operating range...  In this setup the addition of the permanent magnet and the input coils fluxes simply cannot take place beneficially, to reach overunity...

Elsewhere in this forum the so called Bulgarian MEG was discussed which works a bit differently: the input coils drive the core into saturation on purpose and the flux from the permanent magnet 'sees' high reluctance so that it is 'forced' to seek for a different path, preferably towards the output coils...   measured COP of 2 or 3 is achived (search this forum 'bulgarian meg').

Here is a link to the yahoo megbuilders group

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MEG_builders/

and here is a replication with measurements in 7 parts:

http://www.conspirovniscience.com/meg/expe2005.php  this is in French, use google translate to convert it into English if you need it.

rgds, Gyula

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