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Gravity powered devices => Gravity powered devices => Topic started by: FICAT10N on June 23, 2010, 02:54:06 AM
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I have a video on YouTube of what I think is a pretty new idea. I am not trying to hide anything from anyone as it is probably the most basic idea around. My username there is also FICAT10N and the video is GR Machine in case the link doesn't show up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahSvBHR78-o
Please tell me if this wouldn't or wouldn't work and why. Thanks.
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Maybe it's just me but I hear no audio...
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FICAT10N
Welcome to the forum. I could here the video but it was light. You will want to test your ideas and you could probably be able to use K'nex or other toys like them for quick modeling.
Alan
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Seems simple enough to do a mockup?
Perhaps that should be your next move?
Chet
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I have posted a new video. Thanks for your responses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW6UhFVEzWg&feature=channel
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1 min in your video and you have already made a fatal assumption. When the secondary fulcrum is locked like you point out that the mass is only acting on the position of the base of the secondary fulcrum. This is your wrong assumption. When the mass is locked it doesn't matter how it's fastened relative to a bigger wheel. The point it acts on will be the point it's real center of mass is sitting at.
But of course I always encourage experimentation, so I hope you can prove me wrong. And luckly for you this is an easy one you can even make with k'nex.
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-----1 min in A and you have already made a fatal assumption. When the secondary fulcrum is locked like you point out that the mass is only acting on the position of the base of the secondary fulcrum. This is your wrong assumption. When the mass is locked it doesn't matter how it's fastened relative to a bigger wheel. The point it acts on will be the point it's real center of mass is sitting at.
But of course I always encourage experimentation, so I hope you can prove me wrong. And luckly for you this is an easy one you can even make with k'nex.-----
I disagree. At the point that the lever is locked down, there is an an amount of force EQUAL to the weight on the right. Thus, the weight is centered on the fulcrum.
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-----1 min in A and you have already made a fatal assumption. When the secondary fulcrum is locked like you point out that the mass is only acting on the position of the base of the secondary fulcrum. This is your wrong assumption. When the mass is locked it doesn't matter how it's fastened relative to a bigger wheel. The point it acts on will be the point it's real center of mass is sitting at.
But of course I always encourage experimentation, so I hope you can prove me wrong. And luckly for you this is an easy one you can even make with k'nex.-----
I disagree. At the point that the lever is locked down, there is an an amount of force EQUAL to the weight on the right. Thus, the weight is centered on the fulcrum.
So according to your logic, if the secondary fulcrum was locked, the below attachment shows a perfectly balanced beam because all the weight is acting on the center of the main beam...right?
The reason why I instantly saw your mistake is because I made the same mistake in the past. And I was arrogant about it as well so feel free to lash at me as I did too.
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When the top lever is locked down, the load is balanced and the weight is on the fulcrum. Imagine to people sitting on a seesaw perfectly balanced. In this picture, the lower lever is balanced because the weight is even on both sides. The lever is not locked, contrary to the blue line.
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In this picture, the top lever is locked and the weight of the top lever is balanced on the fulcrum.
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In my opinion this is what is happening.
The weight may indeed be applying its weight to the fixed fulcrum rather than its position but the weight on that fixed fulcrum will be increased due to leverage, according to the distance that the weight is from the fixed fulcrum...
Alex
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Duplicate link of crude animation video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW6UhFVEzWg
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AHH! You guys are right about the pictures that I posted! The fulcrom has to be on the same side as the weight and it has to be locked down on that side! Sorry, literally 4 hours of sleep in 4 days. Those pictures were not as I had designed this machine, it was to just try and make it easier for my family to see and I didn't think much about it. BUT LOOK AT THE LINK FOR THE ANIMATION VIDEO STARTING AT 0:34!!!!! Free energy!!!! This means the gravity wheel can work as well. I am not trying to patent this to make money off of it, but if anyone takes credit for it, be prepared to be to back it up for your life and be able to take a lie detector test. It won't work to take credit for it. Sorry about messing up, thanks for catching me and thanks for your time! Look at the youtube animation video!!!
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if those two weights weigh the same, then it would be impossible to lift one, seeing as how it would be balanced
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I have a video on YouTube of what I think is a pretty new idea. I am not trying to hide anything from anyone as it is probably the most basic idea around. My username there is also FICAT10N and the video is GR Machine in case the link doesn't show up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahSvBHR78-o
Please tell me if this wouldn't or wouldn't work and why. Thanks.
The machine probably doesn't work because the video is removed by the user?
Vidar
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I agree with broli on this. You are ignoring the effect of leverage by gravity. That leverage acts the same as someone pushing down on the board and if it's locked then there will be leverage and not JUST weight pushing down at the fulcrum point. I doubt you will believe it though until you try it and as others have pointed out this would be easy to try.
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Yeah guys, I am kind of retarded. Here is my new video. I hope someone can work with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSu8PtShiyo
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Yeah guys, I am kind of retarded. Here is my new video. I hope someone can work with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSu8PtShiyo
Why are you removing your videos? When I click the link, youtube says this video is removed by the user...
Vidar
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Why are you removing your videos? When I click the link, youtube says this video is removed by the user...
May be FICAT10N finally understood that his idea can't work.
Broli explained why and I agree with him, it is basic mechanics.
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This would balance, if instead locking the top lever to the top fulcrum, you could tie the left side of the top fulcrum down to the floor via the tensioned string. Problem is, soon as the weight is lifted up, the string becomes untenced and it no longer holds the weight...
Alex