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Author Topic: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010  (Read 9437 times)

FICAT10N

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New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« on: June 23, 2010, 02:54:06 AM »
I have a video on YouTube of what I think is a pretty new idea. I am not trying to hide anything from anyone as it is probably the most basic idea around. My username there is also FICAT10N and the video is GR Machine in case the link doesn't show up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahSvBHR78-o

Please tell me if this wouldn't or wouldn't work and why. Thanks.
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infringer

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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2010, 03:17:48 AM »
Maybe it's just me but I hear no audio...
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AB Hammer

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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2010, 03:57:09 AM »
FICAT10N

 Welcome to the forum. I could here the video but it was light. You will want to test your ideas and you could probably be able to use K'nex or other toys like them for quick modeling.

Alan
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ramset

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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2010, 03:58:26 AM »
Seems simple enough to do a mockup?

Perhaps that should be your next move?

Chet
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FICAT10N

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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2010, 07:52:21 PM »
I have posted a new video. Thanks for your responses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW6UhFVEzWg&feature=channel
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broli

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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2010, 08:08:33 PM »
1 min in your video and you have already made a fatal assumption. When the secondary fulcrum is locked like you point out that the mass is only acting on the position of the base of the secondary fulcrum. This is your wrong assumption. When the mass is locked it doesn't matter how it's fastened relative to a bigger wheel. The point it acts on will be the point it's real center of mass is sitting at.

But of course I always encourage experimentation, so I hope you can prove me wrong. And luckly for you this is an easy one you can even make with k'nex.
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FICAT10N

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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2010, 08:55:09 PM »
-----1 min in A and you have already made a fatal assumption. When the secondary fulcrum is locked like you point out that the mass is only acting on the position of the base of the secondary fulcrum. This is your wrong assumption. When the mass is locked it doesn't matter how it's fastened relative to a bigger wheel. The point it acts on will be the point it's real center of mass is sitting at.

But of course I always encourage experimentation, so I hope you can prove me wrong. And luckly for you this is an easy one you can even make with k'nex.-----

I disagree. At the point that the lever is locked down, there is an an amount of force EQUAL to the weight on the right. Thus, the weight is centered on the fulcrum.
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broli

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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2010, 09:27:10 PM »
Quote from: FICAT10N on June 23, 2010, 08:55:09 PM
-----1 min in A and you have already made a fatal assumption. When the secondary fulcrum is locked like you point out that the mass is only acting on the position of the base of the secondary fulcrum. This is your wrong assumption. When the mass is locked it doesn't matter how it's fastened relative to a bigger wheel. The point it acts on will be the point it's real center of mass is sitting at.

But of course I always encourage experimentation, so I hope you can prove me wrong. And luckly for you this is an easy one you can even make with k'nex.-----

I disagree. At the point that the lever is locked down, there is an an amount of force EQUAL to the weight on the right. Thus, the weight is centered on the fulcrum.

So according to your logic, if the secondary fulcrum was locked, the below attachment shows a perfectly balanced beam because all the weight is acting on the center of the main beam...right?

The reason why I instantly saw your mistake is because I made the same mistake in the past. And I was arrogant about it as well so feel free to lash at me as I did too.
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FICAT10N

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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2010, 10:05:42 PM »
When the top lever is locked down, the load is balanced and the weight is on the fulcrum. Imagine to people sitting on a seesaw perfectly balanced. In this picture, the lower lever is balanced because the weight is even on both sides. The lever is not locked, contrary to the blue line.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2010, 07:07:17 AM by FICAT10N »
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FICAT10N

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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2010, 10:12:51 PM »
In this picture, the top lever is locked and the weight of the top lever is balanced on the fulcrum.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2010, 07:08:12 AM by FICAT10N »
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Alexioco

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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2010, 11:20:17 PM »
In my opinion this is what is happening.

The weight may indeed be applying its weight to the fixed fulcrum rather than its position but the weight on that fixed fulcrum will be increased due to leverage, according to the distance that the weight is from the fixed fulcrum...

Alex
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FICAT10N

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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2010, 12:07:52 AM »
 

Duplicate link of crude animation video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW6UhFVEzWg
« Last Edit: June 24, 2010, 11:15:56 AM by FICAT10N »
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FICAT10N

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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2010, 03:33:54 AM »
AHH! You guys are right about the pictures that I posted! The fulcrom has to be on the same side as the weight and it has to be locked down on that side! Sorry, literally 4 hours of sleep in 4 days. Those pictures were not as I had designed this machine, it was to just try and make it easier for my family to see and I didn't think much about it. BUT LOOK AT THE LINK FOR THE ANIMATION VIDEO STARTING AT 0:34!!!!! Free energy!!!! This means the gravity wheel can work as well. I am not trying to patent this to make money off of it, but if anyone takes credit for it, be prepared to be to back it up for your life and be able to take a lie detector test. It won't work to take credit for it. Sorry about messing up, thanks for catching me and thanks for your time! Look at the youtube animation video!!!
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mr_bojangles

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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2010, 07:51:41 AM »
if those two weights weigh the same, then it would be impossible to lift one, seeing as how it would be balanced
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Re: New GR Machine, open source 22JUN2010
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2010, 03:55:35 PM »
Quote from: FICAT10N on June 23, 2010, 02:54:06 AM
I have a video on YouTube of what I think is a pretty new idea. I am not trying to hide anything from anyone as it is probably the most basic idea around. My username there is also FICAT10N and the video is GR Machine in case the link doesn't show up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahSvBHR78-o

Please tell me if this wouldn't or wouldn't work and why. Thanks.
The machine probably doesn't work because the video is removed by the user?

Vidar
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