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## Gravity powered devices => Gravity powered devices => Topic started by: Alexioco on June 21, 2010, 05:13:45 PM

Title: New Half Working Idea!
Post by: Alexioco on June 21, 2010, 05:13:45 PM
Hello all, I want to share with you some information.

I was thinking about perpetual motion the other day, I have been trying to work out how to raise a weight from 6 o clock to the axle through the momentum gained of the falling weight but without costing the momentum gained and I have got it, crudely tested it and it works. I don't want to say how yet but I want to ask a few questions because I need some encouragement etc

The weight drops from 12 o clock to 6 o clock, the energy gained from that drop causes the weight when it reaches around 6 o clock to rise up into the axle without slowing the wheel down. The weight then continues around the axle getting ready for CF to fling it up back to the rim of the wheel. Two weights have to act in pairs to perpetuate it. My question is this, because the weight flies up into the axle from the bottom of the wheel without slowing the wheel down, wouldn't this mean that the CF energy gained from the full drop is strong enough to not just lift the weight back up only half the distance to the rim, but  rise higher than the wheel rim creating more than enough energy needed to perpetuate it. with a second weight the forces are great.

Alex
Title: Re: New Half Working Idea!
Post by: Low-Q on June 21, 2010, 09:50:49 PM
Hello all, I want to share with you some information.

I was thinking about perpetual motion the other day, I have been trying to work out how to raise a weight from 6 o clock to the axle through the momentum gained of the falling weight but without costing the momentum gained and I have got it, crudely tested it and it works. I don't want to say how yet but I want to ask a few questions because I need some encouragement etc

The weight drops from 12 o clock to 6 o clock, the energy gained from that drop causes the weight when it reaches around 6 o clock to rise up into the axle without slowing the wheel down. The weight then continues around the axle getting ready for CF to fling it up back to the rim of the wheel. Two weights have to act in pairs to perpetuate it. My question is this, because the weight flies up into the axle from the bottom of the wheel without slowing the wheel down, wouldn't this mean that the CF energy gained from the full drop is strong enough to not just lift the weight back up only half the distance to the rim, but  rise higher than the wheel rim creating more than enough energy needed to perpetuate it. with a second weight the forces are great.

Alex
Maybe a few drawings will help us to understand the concept?

Vidar
Title: Re: New Half Working Idea!
Post by: AB Hammer on June 22, 2010, 02:22:13 AM
Greetings Alex

I look forward to seeing your work on this one.

Alan
Title: Re: New Half Working Idea!
Post by: infringer on June 22, 2010, 05:05:02 AM
no one really knows your answer alex obvious to me there is not one working gravity wheel out there.

But I surely think one could devise a workable method with maybe a third energy source gravity magnets and .... hrmmm dunno something else a mechanical advantage or something you got me spring or flywheel maybe some piezoelectric material and some coils have the voltage generated from the piezoelectric whatever on the fall pulse coils at certain times shit who knows I've been out of gravity thoughts for some time.
Title: Re: New Half Working Idea!
Post by: Alexioco on June 22, 2010, 05:09:58 PM
there is a third energy source, if you think about this, when a weight drops down a wheel, it gains momentum, you can harness that momentum in more than one independant way therefore doubling the force for example, using momentum to cause the weights to lift at 6 o clock while at the same time sustaining the velocity to sustain the full power of CF lifting the weights higher than even needed...

I'm building it as we speak, i want to post it here soon but for now i could do with opinons on that principle, thanks

Alex
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Title: Re: New Half Working Idea!
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Title: Re: New Half Working Idea!
Post by: mr_bojangles on June 23, 2010, 12:44:37 AM
wouldn't 2 weights balance each other out and remove the momentum from 12 to 6 o'clock

obviously i dont know your set up, but i picture the weight being locked in place and upon 6 o clock being relased-while tethered to the axle- using the momentum of the weight, it continues upward, restricted by the string, and loops aroung the axle similar to a tether ball

this is a shot in the dark, but thats what i got out of your description

looking forward to seeing designs

although now that i think about it, if the moment the first weight gets released at 6, and the other is at the 12, it could start its descent without being balanced
Title: Re: New Half Working Idea!
Post by: Alexioco on June 23, 2010, 02:11:51 AM
A friend is fixing the virus now, thanks for the links :)

I am going to give a description of the way the forces work but for now I want to keep the way it achieves it to myself for the moment. The reason I want to keep it to myself for the moment is because its a new principle and once known, a good understanding would soon be gained of it (which is good) but I would probably get nothing in return. I want to at least try and make it myself first, then if I fail, then I will open source it completely here with you all for us all to have an attempt to improve with each others help.

The following description is the principle of it but without revealing a/the mechanism. Once you have read this, it will be possible for one to design a mechanism after thinking about how to achieve it based soley on the following principle.

Description of Principle:

Two equal weights connected via a slidable crossbar through the axle of rotation. The weight at 12 O'clock is at the rim of the wheel and the second weight is at 6 O'clock but under the axle of the wheel. The weight at 12 O'clock overbalances the weight near the axle and swings right down to the bottom at 6 O'clock. The energy/momentum gained from that drop is harnessed independently of the wheels rotational velocity meaning that the weights along with the wheel continue to rotate around the axle with full velocity as the weights at the same time lift themselves vertically up at the 6 o'clock position via this "special prime force" gained from the momentum.  Centrifugal force lifts the weights up the rest of the way with more power needed to even perpetuate it.

If the weight dropped from 12 to 6 O'clock and the wheel was forcibly stopped just as the weight reached 6 O'clock, the weights would still lift up at least half of the way to the axle because as I said above, the lifting of the weights for the first half of the lift is independent of the wheels velocity although the energy comes from the momentum gained from the drop. Its basically using one force "momentum" in two independent ways so after the weights have lifted over half way up, centrifugal force which was preserved at its full while the weights lifted  can lift the weights up the rest of the way. The prime force is what causes the weights to lift and that force is also determined by the momentum gained from 12 to 6 O'clock.

I have nearly finished the mechanism. I'm using one single weight to test that the prime force works as it should. But I cannot complete it correctly for certain reasons which I cannot say here. I have however tested the prime force in a slightly different way and it does indeed lift the weight up into the axle without costing the rotational velocity of the wheel. Its an extremely simple mechanism, but difficult to get working because of the state of the materials needed which is more than I dare say lol.

It could take time before i manage to "tune" my mechanism in, but once I do, then ill add the second weight and see if it perpetuates or not. If it does not perpetuate, then I know something must be wrong with the construction as it is self evident how it should operate. If however the principle does not work, then ill still post the idea as you will like its originality and many more ideas can sprout from it.
But from what I have posted, tell me if you think it should perpetuate from that principle. If the weights can lift half way up into the axle via this prime force without costing the rotational velocity, then centrifugal force can lift the weights up easily the rest of the way in order to reset itself.

Opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Alex
Title: Re: New Half Working Idea!
Post by: Alexioco on June 25, 2010, 12:58:55 AM
It seems now to me, to perpetuate a wheel, its not about making a mechanism that creates force, but about harnessing the forces that are already there, that's why the mechanism is so simple, because you have to just harness the forces at the correct time to perpetuate it. Those forces are present once the wheel has started to turn.... I might be wrong with all of this, but it seems to be looking good at the moment. To be honest, I could do with working with someone on this then after present it on here as to get the wheel to perpetuate, it needs to be "tuned" in and better understood so i can get the best performance out of it.

Alex
Title: Re: New Half Working Idea!
Post by: Sprocket on June 25, 2010, 01:30:56 AM
I have no doubt that Bessler succeeded in perpetuating his wheels and that many others have done likewise in the interim.  As you alluded, the trick seems to be to derive the power-to-perpetuate from forces other than the prime-driver, gravity - CF for example.  The Almighty Tesla stated as much in one of his essays/lectures. (sorry, operating form memory, don't have a quote)

And perpetual-mobiles don't need to violate COE laws either - take the Minto Wheel, known about since the 70's, simple to construct, undoubtedly works, no COE violations, and perpetual as long as the sun shines.  So how come it never went into production?  It seems that it's not just COE-offenders that are suppressed...

btw, no idea where you're going with this - my brain needs to be thrown a much bigger bone before synapses start firing! :D
Title: Re: New Half Working Idea!
Post by: Alexioco on June 25, 2010, 01:58:04 AM
Lol the reason for this post I must confess is i couldn't help (through excitement) but share with you all that I have found something of interest but at the same time, unsure about posting how it achieves it. I need to get on with the testing once I have managed to "tune" the material in. Ill then post a video.

Alex