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Author Topic: A general perspective for scientific explanation of almost all overunity devices  (Read 21222 times)

WilbyInebriated

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Wow, didn't fritznien just say, all we get is the run around with the read and study crap.

i guess you and fritzy will just have to wait for ertl to start making 'snap together' OU models then... what? you think if you whine loud enough someone will put it on a silver platter for you?

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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2010, 09:58:49 PM »
Reply to Tempest
Maybe the crap is your real intention and modes. At first why you would want to make one? 1) For the money? You would have taken advantage of someone elses idea, besides you will have to face industries financial wars. 2) For fame and honor and a prize? Again you would be trying to take the prize and honor that someone else would deserve. Let us go now to better motives: 4) To experience the joy of a new undreamed device hither too. Good! this is good! But you have to remember the 1st innovators never give a detailed manual or recipe. Simply because they do not intent to educate. Inventors have chaotic laboratories and they are not always conscious of all the significant details of their practice. They do steps 1, to 100, but consider non-obvious only 1-5. So they tell you do 1, to 5. You do them and nothing happens. You go back, and you say: You know what, your device does not work! Then they do not bother to answer you, because your attitude is already undermining to them. So you have concluded: That inventor is crap. But it might not be necessary. Let us go now to even better motives: 5) To apply them to my household to reduce my energy costs! Great! This is a good sovereign individual intention. ( I had myself such a motive with a couple of free energy generators that I knew they were working)  But Alas! Innovations are never so ready and in final development to apply them immediately to our household. Especially without many years verified practice, neither production, neither user manual….Now to even better intentions: 5) To enhance your understanding of physical reality and scientific knowledge. Now that is a great and spiritual intention.! Bravo! (I had and still have such motivation myself) But alas again! The really impressive zero CO2 emissions free energy generators must be really a theoretical breakthrough too, otherwise there would have been found long ago inside University laboratories. So most probably the inventor would not be in a position to explain to you why it is a  scientific breakthrough. And most probably it would be simple enough to make it yourself in a laboratory. Besides with such motives we are more satisfied with a complete detailed description like in a patent application, plus a detailed physical explanation, rather than manufacturing  it ourselves. And again here we  would follow the real conscious human sequence: First I think then I act, and make. Not vice versa. Aim fist and then shoot, not shoot 1st then aim. Have you ever noticed that learning software from a good help or manual instructions is always, faster, more confident, with less frustrations, and mistakes, that learning it the other way, as they say “fall and swim”? At least for me this is how it works.
In conclusion: We better introspect and analyse all the spectrum of our real intentions plus expectations:
1)   I want to do it to make money
2)   I want to do it to get honour
3)   I want to do it to save energy
4)   I want to do it to enhance my scientific knowledge
5)   I want to prove that humanity can make it to a new energy model
6)   I expect full scientific explanation
7)   I expect full detailed explicit instructions (better ….than Microsoft’s manuals [this is joke])
8)   I expect to tell me full instructions how to avoid fallacies or fraud by unreliable innovators. (like police instructions in a storm? [this is joke again])
9)   I expect it to be simple and cheap so I can make it with little money in my laboratory
10)   I expect that in a few months innovators will solve the 50 years problem
11)   I expect that all this will happen in this site.
12)   I expect that I will not be harassed my secrete services, claiming that its already a classified technology.
13)   I expect that I will not be harassed by fuel industries that may have antagonistic old fashioned energy.

So check yourself! What are really your intentions. Will you improve as a person pursuing it? Do you have a good chances? Are your expectations realistic? Can the 21st century sovereign  individual do what 20th century group-coordination was accomplishing? Do you think first then act? Vice-versa? Both? Can we do the seemingly impossible without many mistakes, and a very short time, without big industries being involved to it?
Let us not hash to crap everything at the fist difficulty

conradelektro

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@ DrKCostas

Dr Kyritsis,

I tried to understand the material on

http://hydrino.org/
http://hydrino.org/faqs.html (very interesting answers)
http://www.blacklightpower.com/

It is way over my head, since I only have a very loose understanding of particle physics.

May be you like to answer a question which came to my mind:

According to your opinion, is the "Hydrino Technology" (especially the technology described and as far as I can see also sold by "Blacklight Power") a "overunty technology"?

Greetings, Conrad

DrKCostas

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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2010, 03:30:21 PM »
As I perceive it about Blacklight Power, yes.

But remember that in Rowan University would never use a term like overunity, as it is not considered an academic science term.
I have more than 10 years that I was studying particle physics, and I do not have the full information of what are doing in this laboratory. But from their videos, seems that the powder they produce must  be the new fuel that substitutes gasoline, or coal . They make it through a reaction of water, salt, and other common materials. In this reaction they provide less energy that what is stored in the powder. The extra energy is provided from unknown source as they imply. Therefore we should understand them as overunity process. They claim that it costs 1-2 cents per KWH versus 6-10 cents per KWH of coal. Quite complicated experimental devices! Not indeed so elegant compared to other amateur's devices. But academic engineering! The important is that academic science in Universities is starting to accept energy production (implicitly assumed renewable) , where energy is provided from the physical reality in an unknown to them way. Of course they do not put too much emphasis in publications on that especially at industrial production.

Remember that we are living in a new century that the sovereign individual must learn to accept the principles of his own self rather than authorities.
You must understand that I do not claim to be an authority on that. It is just my understanding.

Talking about the other site that you mentioned http://hydrino.org/ (which I have not studied, I just visited after your remark, and I thank you for this ) and unified field theory:
 Historically physical science was trying to unify 3 types  particles interactions in accelerators and other experiments.
1)   Quantum electrodynamics  2) Weak interactions 3) Strong interactions
They were not successful.

Do not bother to understand what each of these interactions are about. I myself gave up being interested years ago.
And now I see them as collective mind traps, that block the evolution of physics, mainly due to the bad story of the nuclear weapons.

But in my work (link of my fist post) and I think in the meaning of the above site about unified field, the indented interpretation is different. They refer I think to the macroscopic laboratory classical field interactions of bodies like   1) Newton’s universal attraction (gravitostatics) , 2) Maxwell’s electromagnetism and  3)….some other that might by called (Einsteinian-like) gravitodynamic (or antigravity).

Here the things are easier to understand as we are talking about usual  high school simple laboratory experiments.

As far as I know there is not any generally accepted unified field theory here either. My work is the keys to develop one. Only the keys not the final equations.
And there are many half-spiritual half-philosophy of science sites that assume in advance that such a unified field (or  theory)  does exist.

Skipping all the mathematical and other physical details, what someone can safely and clearly keep in his mind about such a unified-field is the next

The present false implicit DOGMA:
1)   Standard Academic physics assumes implicitly that all the permanent  material world  starts with the proton, neutron and electron particle. Nothing else  permanent exist before them in the background.

So the gravitational field, and electromagnetic field, are though as “empty space” where the interaction propagates. Between the above three  particles there exists nothing but “quantum vacuum”

That is why Academic physics is totally unable to explain the existence of the free energy devices and many true over unity devices.
This implicit dogma  is I would say a ……”reptilian mind” attitude, because older centuries physics and great minds like Newton, Euler, Maxwell, Thomson etc all insisted that no there is a finer material layer the so called by them “aether”.
E.g. Maxwell; initial term for the electromagnetic field was “Electromagnetised Aether” .  We have almost total collective amnesia of it!

So if any one would formulate equations of this aether that would unify Newton’s gravitation. Maxwell’s electromagnetism etc as aspects of the same gaseous aether material layer, this would be the unified field. Once this is done, then the energy of the free energy generators and overunity devices could easily be explained as added from this material layer (aether)

In my work, I refer to the matter made from protons, neutrons, electrons as
the 3rd material layer or resolution or density, while that of aether, as the 4th material layer or resolution or density. It is finer and again it consist of …..say micro-protons,  micro-neutrons, micro-electrons (or aetherons) that may be even 10^(-36) times smaller than a classical electron and permanent (not temporary as the quantum particles).

This is the main idea in very simple high-school physics terms.

I hope I did clarified it and answered your question.
Always to my understanding. I  do not enforce any authority.

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You read a lot into to one simple sentence. To give you a little back ground, I’m a industrial electrician. I’m a hands on person. If you need a vacuum chamber with high voltage electrodes in it then I can build one. If you need a pulse circuit at 45 Khz, this I can do. But I am not going to try endless amounts of money trying every possible combination of endless ideas. Sorry not in my budget. And it isn’t for about 99% of the world. So unless you can point us in the right direction, you’re just blowing a lot of theoretical smoke around. Theory is nice to know and all, but unless we have a device that I can build with the help of the local machine shop and some electronic know how, you do us little service. To me it looks like you want to throw a theory out (and probably a good one) and have someone else do the work of the fine turning and figuring out the physical aspects of it. Then you will step in and say “this is my idea”. I just want a device that I can build so I don’t have to be a crack addict to the energy supply. Then I can help other people build them. For me it’s not about profit, it’s about energy independence. 

fritznien

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well said Tempest, i can and have built and repaired many things but i do not see a single thing here worth the effort.
you can explain in half a page and a couple pictures how to make a DC electric motor out of wire nails tape and a piece of board(done it in school) but nobody can explain an experiment to demonstrate OU in a hundred pages here with 20
utube clips.

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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2010, 08:36:26 PM »
Ok here is my shortest answer to that.

1)   First I will never claim "this is my idea" on any device build by anyone based on my work either if I am aware of it or not.
Because my work had different original intention: To be published on one of the standard Academic Journals. At least due to its size but mainly due to its content this is not to happen.
At best I am still thinking that one day if I find energy and time,  I can condensed it from 70 pages to maybe to 5-10 pages and published it to a well accepted academic journal together with publication of quantitative measurements of am utterly simple experiment (e.g. based an unusual coil, or magnet pendulum etc) just to prove that the linear Maxwell equations must be corrected to non-linear. Scientists accept only beyond doubt quantitative measurements that can be  reproduced. In addition I cannot spend time and money or effort  more than the simplest possible experiment (that an idiot can understand too). As it will be so simple, I doubt I will need  anyone to make it for me. I will just go and buy the material and make and measure it. Even a laboratory will not be needed. But this will not be by far any free energy or overunity device to sell or use to save energy.


2)   About suggesting a free energy device that works, for you to build. I understand that it must be cheap and simple. I understand also that you want to build it because of the joy of observing and showing it! I doubt that it can be useful for you to make money or use it  to save energy. It would be not clever at the present state of the art of free energy to want anything but the amateur’s joy of observing it and thinking about the science of electricity.
Then the best candidate would be also the most primitive device of all that I know, that was also running successfully for at least 20 years. And that would be the Swiss Testatika of P. Baumann (died in 1999 by old age). During 1997-98 I had found a very-very detailed  diagram in the web of how to build one as a copy of smaller version of those that were using to power their monastery in Methernita. They say that after the death of P. Bauman the monastery does not have experts to continue running it, and they just keep them for history. I had found also sites of people that had made such generators from old musical vinyl disks and it was working.
For this device I would spend my little money and effort to make myself. I do not know if you can find after 10 years such  building instructions in the web, but you may try. Also you should be prepared to insist till you get the result. As far as I remember after 10 years the basic idea was two disc rotors, one with many metal rays for the centrifugation of electrons (the “heaven” as they were saying) and one with less (the “earth”). They were setting in rotation (e.g. 30 rot. per minute) both by a small electric engine, but they were rotating in opposite direction. Then they were collecting electric currents with “brushes” from the disc with the many metal rays. This was high voltage low ampere (non-alternating). current that they were converting it to standard voltage and Ampere. The extracted electricity was enough to support the little starting engine that now is used as stabiliser of the rotation, and also store the rest in battery to light bubbles etc. The other devices that I know are of thousands of rotations per minute use magnets instead of electrostatics and are expensive. You can find in the web images of testatika and possible videos. Maybe instructions too from amateurs that made it and it works.
But do not try to answer me with objections (I know some people they tried and its does not work etc) I will not believe you.

DrKCostas

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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2010, 09:42:50 PM »
This discussion topic is not to give instructions for any OU device to make. You are looking in the wrong place.
The links with my theoretical work in my 1st post are put here with the intention of possibly inspiring innovators and inventors in their own work.
If they are inspired good. If the ideas mean nothing to them (no bell rings in them) it is again OK.I am not interested personally in any prize for OU, and for the last 5 years I work intensively in Management and Finance. I changed specialisation.  I simply keep a look in the state of the art of free energy devices as a hobby, and I just though that putting a post to link my work might be of help to some, and avoid the repetition of old mistakes of researchers. I do it for the sake of rationality. First think then create and manufacture. This is the main point with the internet: surplus creative work solves problems.
Do not undermine it.

conradelektro

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My humble opinion about "overunity devices" and whether one can build them easily.

Let's consider two very interesting technologies that appeared recently:

http://www.blacklightpower.com/ (special gray powder)
http://www.bloomenergy.com (very special chemical as catalyst, very special chemical compounds in the plates)

(Disregarding whether they are overunity or not) it would be extremely difficult to replicate these two technologies. Very special equipment and special manufacturing capabilities are necessary to produce and to use the necessary chemical compounds.

Let's consider as third example a modern transistor. It is almost impossible without very high tech machines to alter a transistor or to build a slightly different one.

From all three examples we can deduce, that it will not be easy to replicate a future overunity or even not overunity technology.

So, the hopes of many people in this forum will probably have to be abandoned. It will not be easy to build and it will not be described in a few videos or publications. A deep understanding of certain known technologies and of at least one completely unknown technology will be necessary (and very special equipment and very difficult to obtain materials and chemicals).

I also suspect (like Dr. Kyritsis), that the answer to future overunity technologies (or to any new technologies) lies beyond or behind the particles which we know today.

Some call it "the fabric of space", which we yet have to discover. The particles we know (and which are taught at the universities today) "swim" in some unknown substance which we yet have to understand. And it can well be that we need a totally new world view (may be without all these particles) to describe it.

And once we understand a bit what lies between everything, we can may be derive new ways to produce energy. Or better said, we might find new ways to "harvest" energy.

In my world view one does not produce energy, one takes it from somewhere. And we might find new places in-between all things known today (in the fabric of space) from where we can take energy.

But all this said, I still think that this forum (overunity.com) offers interesting things, even when they do not work. My attention was drawn to many things which I did not know before. Of course, I also saw a lot of mental sickness, which I have not seen before. But all things together, I am always learning a lot. May be there are better ways to learn about new (and known) things, but I have not found a more entertaining one. Interacting with other people is more entertaining than reading books.

Greetings, Conrad

fritznien

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@conradelektro i think you would be surprised what can be done in a small lab or workshop with off the shelf tech.
the transistor was invented in 1920. semi conductors have been used for over a hundred years. the problem we have is nobody can explain the basic principals of operation for an OU device. lots and lots of words that mean nothing,
or that mean something only the author understands.
 drk you talk a lot but say little. the Testatika looks neither simple easy or complete to me. invented 20 years ago and all they do is sell videos. if this is a good idea i want nothing to do with anything bad.
fritznien

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I agree that no working overunity device can be found on the internet (or elsewhere in this world), all waffle, illusion or fraud.

(Of course it depends a lot on the definition of "overunity". For me a "overunity device" is a magic box that gives you near endless power without any power or fuel input, e.g. at least 10 KW for many years. If you want to be very liberal with the term "overunity", you could call a solar panel a "overunity device".)

I can believe, that some people saw strange effects, but then they could not reproduce them consistently. Instead of admitting that, they often cling to illusions. The frauds are easier to spot than the self delusionalists.

I just suspect, when a new technology appears, it will be difficult to replicate, like all technologies in the past were at their beginning.

May be one can then replicate the "effect" in principle, but building a useful device is an additional very high hurdle to overcome. The first transistors were useless, just interesting objects for researchers. (Vacuum tubes at this time were performing much better and were cheaper.)

Yes, lots of things can be done, but only by a few, with the equipment and the skills.

If one lowers expectations (not demanding a magic box), one can hope for new very efficient power generating devices which give a lot of power with little fuel. But also this remains to be shown in a credible way.

Greetings, Conrad

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1) I tend to agree with conradelektro.
On the other hand I believe that even Universities are helped if there is relevant discussion (inspite being confusing, like Babylon and imperfect).
If we produce generators that harvest renewable (?) energy and none of the producers neither the Academic world understands where the energy comes from is ....a one of a kind of a  situation. But if we are satisfied with that and think that this is the way it should be, then something very wrong goes on with our civilisation.
Human beings are spiritual beings, not meant to be magicians to just get the result without a rational causal explanation.
I assume it is temporal.
The definition of an OU is: A device or process where the output utilizable energy is larger than the input energy provided by the user. The difference is provided by nature or physical reality, in an non-obvious way that may require revision of some formulations of physical laws, but not of the law of energy and momentum conservation.Under this definion  OU are proven to exist
2) Now about small laboratories of individuals and big industries:
Big industries and Universities should be ahead. It would be easier.
 But they are not!
Instead the big industries for financial reasons(and some secrete official or not military groups for power reasons) are instead pulling back. Given the pressing global climate problems CO2 etc  pulling back is very dangerous for humanity and its survival.
Here is that the sovereign individual comes: Responsible freedom of self-determination and becoming truly self-confident and free to unconditionally be responsible for one's self, without being coerced to accept some higher authority.
And a financial and monetary system has the value of protecting some fairness in deals,only when there are   serious differences of consiousness and self-responsibility development of individuals among societies. The money in macroeconomics is like the temperature in atmospere. Money simply measure activity and circulation of services. With higher Gross domestic product, more money is cut, and all have more resources. And as in the atmospere, temperature differences create winds, so in society differences in accumulated capital creates changes. But not all winds are progressive. Some are regressive. If almost all individuals in a society were of equal development in consciousness and self-responsibility a monetary system probably would not be needed.
The true Globalisation is good not as  a hidden externally hijacked world Government, but as that when the individual becomes through the internet and through introspective self-analysis global.
I have felt it many times while working on free energy: As if the weight of the future development of humanity was on my shoulders. Any one will feel it when working on this way or another experimental,  political or theoretical. It is an opportunity to clear our intentions and grow.
For the moment all this is suppressed. The value of this site is that it tries to correct that, in its limitations of course. The individual laboratory will not do everything, but it will change the collective subconscious. Then one day some more powerful researcher in a University, or Industry will feel comfortable to change old theories fund a research and open the door to exotic renewable energy. Without the many forums and sites and videos in the web this would never be comfortable.
Fear and other unpleasant emotions would always control our mind and consciousness never to discover the rest of the reality.

I hope that one day simple devices in the households would produce all energy and we would not need to be plugged in an expensive electric grid.

3) I also believe that the magnetic generators renewable energy should get priority and put all our efforts there compared to the HHO energy generators and water cars. I do not like H2.
Electric cars powered by the magetic renewable energy are better (less noise too).
Another reasons : The new-electromagnetism propulsion will permit extremely fast air travel, that HHO airplanes never will reach. If we correct the maxwell's electromagnetism to non-linear we get not only free energy but also a new powerful electromagnetic propulsion.

So we should go on but without personal extravagant expectations. And it should be satisfying too.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2010, 09:23:05 AM by DrKCostas »

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  Another cheap shortcut is to find an old television set.  Inside they have a transformer that is very efficient at producing 35kv sawtoothe waves.  Hook up the highvoltage wire to a coil made of 5 or 6 turns of iron wire which is either painted or heavily oxidized.  Support the coil in a piece of plastic with the ends protruding pointing towards Earth.  Turn on the set.  From the ends of the iron wire will be issued two coronal discharges.  If you are fortunate enough to have one of those devices which measure temperature aim it at the field below the discharges.  A drastic drop in temperature will be seen.  Where is the heat going from this field.  It is an ion wind most likely driven by the heavier air mass surrounding it but again where is the heat content going from that was in this air before it was ionized.  I have a sneeking suspicion that it is being converted into light and sound at the tips of the wire coils as the free electrons are accelerated to realitivistic speeds by the electric field between the ends of the coil and ground.  Which leads us to a touchy subject.  Can the propogation of an electric field do more work than that needed to propogate the electric field.  In a vacuum tube they heatup a filament to get a few electrons tossed out of the fray inside the glorified lightbulb.  Wheras in a piece of copper wire they are free to begin with go figure.  Edison and his stupid hot pieces of wire.  So what I describe is a big old atomspheric tube.  Ground appears to have alot of free electrons also.  They used it as a wire in one wire distribution systems for years.  One wire from the pole to the house and the rest of the juice went back to the pole via ground.   This is where pulsed dc comes in.  You pulse a wire and before any mass can get its ass in gear the wholes or missing mass around protons can.  They rush quite easily to the ends of the terminals whereas the electrons got inertial problems to contend with.  If you sustain the voltage or filter it like the capacitance developed in a picture tube the wholes and electrons migrate more or less in phase.  This is not a good thing because an electron just loves a whole to drop into like it does on a led and in so doing it slows down and emits photons which heat the wire and everything gets inefficient.  Suffice to say that the wholes migrate to either end of the iron wire leaving the negatively charged electrons relatively fixed,  The wire as a whole is neutral but is polarized positively on either end as the lead end was attached to the center of the iron wire.  On cessation of the applied voltage there is no force sucking the wholes back into the wire as one would have with ac so why move.  Iron resists electron dispersion because of its high internal neuclear magnetic dipole moments.  The electrons doing a cyclotron dance around the neucleus genertated mag field. This lack of free electrons allows for the migration of wholes or whatever makes a proton positive to the ends of the wire.  There it appears and creates an electric field over ground.  Electrons are accelerated towards the pole and leave the ionized cores in the dust.  Guess what I am trying to say is that it is not really holes that move in semiconductors or wires or produce positive charge it is virtual particles that are already in motion creating the charge of the carrier..  When charge carriers move these virtual particles move along with them to sustain the charge.  Now there is an electrical current flowing just like the ones out in space where there appears to be a total lack of charge carriers but alot of currents propogating magnetic field disruptions and currents on into infinity.  For the sake of curiousity I stuck a piece of copper wire used in relays and put it on the end of a pole down in the ion wind and turned off the lights.  There it was a white bluish light coming out of the sides of the copper coils and white light down the ends.  This is 18" away from the electrode.  Finnally I understood what Tesla was doing.  He was after the virtual particle flow disruption.  The electrical currents that are flowing from somewhere to support charge on mass everywhere.

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If you are fortunate enough to have one of those devices
which measure temperature aim it at the field below the discharges.
A drastic drop in temperature will be seen.
Where is the heat going from this field.

Not a complaint per se',
just a constructive point.

They measure IR emission.

They should not be used to measure things
that are actively emitting other spectrum's too.

Coronal sparks are included...

Maybe this will help:

http://www.sensorsmag.com/sensors/temperature/advances-ir-temperature-measurement-1368



On the other side of that coin, your right.

There have certainly been previous instances
were a measured loss of ambient temperature
has been observed in experimental devices !  :)




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Also when the testika is running (it was running for decades in Methernita) a small drop of ambient temerature was recorded.