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Author Topic: magnet-gravity wheel v.2  (Read 6720 times)

FreeEnergy

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magnet-gravity wheel v.2
« on: April 11, 2006, 09:55:33 PM »
will not work :(
« Last Edit: August 12, 2007, 09:59:32 AM by FreeEnergy »
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hartiberlin

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel v.2
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2006, 12:30:40 AM »
Seems more to spin _counter_ clockwise, if at all ?
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Re: magnet-gravity wheel v.2
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2006, 05:13:51 AM »
Hi I'm new here, but I know a thing or two about magnets. So what exactly is "a board type of thing" that would shield the magnetic field. Or more correctly shield the steel block from the magnetic field. If you were thinking of wood, aluminium, plastic, etc. it won't work. The magnetic field would penetrate straight through them. The only way I know of to shield a steel block from a magnet is to use a steel cover. The problem of course is that the steel cover being made form steel will be attracted to the magnet and having it there would be pointless. If there was a material that can act as a magnetic shield but is not affected by the magnetic field then this along with thousants of other devices would work.

p.s. when I said the magnetic field would penetrate through wood, what I mean is that the effect of the magnet on the field would penetrate. The magnet does not create a field, it simpy interacts with the field which is always everywhere around us. when you move a magnet you do not move the field but only the effect of the magnet on the field. It's not really relevant but i thought it was interesting.
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FreeEnergy

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel v.2
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2006, 08:47:37 AM »
will not work :(
« Last Edit: August 12, 2007, 09:59:51 AM by FreeEnergy »
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Gregory

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel v.2
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2006, 04:42:50 PM »
Hi FreeEnergy!

Do you know pyrolytic graphite? Or bismuth... These are diamagnetic materials. Maybe a thick plate of one.

http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/pyrolytic_graphite.html
http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/suspension.html

I never tested these materials myself, but I think this is not enough to decrease the magnetic force to the needed level. Perhaps it's useful for some improvements, if something begin to works.
So, I think the idea you drawed doesn't work. This is too simple to pass by thousands of people.
Anyway just try it for yourself, and see what happens with and without diamagnetic plates. It may be still intersting.


Best wishes, Greg
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TEguy

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel v.2
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2006, 11:00:33 AM »
Quote from: FreeEnergy on April 12, 2006, 08:47:37 AM
see i know about that. i know i cant completely block the magnetic field cause it goes right through, that is not the point. it is just just decreased to some level.

take a magnet block and put a piece of metal block in front of it and dont touch it...this is one level of force pulling the metal bock to the magnet...


now do the same thing but put a non-magnetic block in between the magnet and the metal block....this is another level of force pulling the metal to the magnet.


What do you mean by non-magnetic? Steel is non-magnetic. Everything is non-magnetic except for magnets.
If you put something between a magnet and a piece of steel it will only reduce the magnetic forces on the steel if it is itself affected by the magnetic field. So every time you place it and remove it from between the magnet and the steel you use energy. The energy needed would be equal to the energy generated from your device. And because of friction, etc, it would not just continue running.  If the material you place between the magnet and the steel does not require any effort to place and remove, i.e. non ferrous, then it will have NO effect on the magnetic field. The only effect would be to physically push the steel away from the magnet, which would move the steel in an area of weaker magnetic field. You can't trick it.
If you do find a way to trick it, please let us know. good luck
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FreeEnergy

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel v.2
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2007, 08:29:16 AM »
don't think this will work. sorry

back to the drawing board  :-\


peace
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Re: magnet-gravity wheel v.2
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2007, 06:54:11 PM »
If the magnetic lines was behaving like light, making a shadow behind the magnetic shield, your device would might work. Magnetic lines are however bent to any surface that the magnet is attracted to. So then you differ the magnetic path in a way that prevent the wheel to rotate no matter how you configure the wheel. You must find a way to "fool" the magnetic lines in another direction. Maybe think more simlpe: Think of a regular brushed el-motor. How does it work, and why? If you manage to replace the electromagnet in the rotor with a fixed permanent magnet magnetizing several rotating iron parts. The iron parts might start to rotate in the direction that the stator magnets attract and repel the magnetism in those iron parts. I have a thread called "The Vidar magnet motor MK2" where the idea is presented. I'm wating for an analyzis of the torque during one revolution to see if the sum is anything else than zero. I can't wait ;D

Br.

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FreeEnergy

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel v.2
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2007, 10:19:32 PM »
Quote from: Low-Q on April 07, 2007, 06:54:11 PM
If the magnetic lines was behaving like light, making a shadow behind the magnetic shield, your device would might work. Magnetic lines are however bent to any surface that the magnet is attracted to. So then you differ the magnetic path in a way that prevent the wheel to rotate no matter how you configure the wheel. You must find a way to "fool" the magnetic lines in another direction. Maybe think more simlpe: Think of a regular brushed el-motor. How does it work, and why? If you manage to replace the electromagnet in the rotor with a fixed permanent magnet magnetizing several rotating iron parts. The iron parts might start to rotate in the direction that the stator magnets attract and repel the magnetism in those iron parts. I have a thread called "The Vidar magnet motor MK2" where the idea is presented. I'm wating for an analyzis of the torque during one revolution to see if the sum is anything else than zero. I can't wait ;D

Br.

Vidar

thanks for the input but for now my other wheel ( http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,894.msg28133.html#msg28133 ) looks more promising.

nice work with The Vidar magnet motor MK2. i will be following your thread on this.

peace
« Last Edit: April 14, 2007, 05:31:39 AM by FreeEnergy »
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